Madhur ... why didn't you try and stop Ranvijay?

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naava

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Posted: 15 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: Neela10
to be honest, this is why i don't watch the show anymore. sometimes i look in on the write ups and get confirmed why i don't watch it. who wants to watch at serial where all the women are being abused and that's basically the story line ????????????? no thanks. pretty sick if you ask me.

Naava ... domestic violence is a fact of life. Very few TV serials have raised this issue and in such graphic details. It is no use seeing just nice, nice serial which has nothing in it and does nothing for you.. Raising such issues helps to highlight the problems and bring about changes. An example is Charles Dickens book Oliver Twist. Read my earlier post, Ranvijay beats Rekha black and blue! where I raise the issue of domestic violence.

HI Neela......i guess it depends on why one watches a soap...of course we all know domestic violence is a fact of life. so is rape, murder and abuse of every kind. If i wanted to watch the gory details i could, yes, go into the homes of people all over the world, or watch the news, or become a police woman.
But i watch television serials to be inspired, be intrigued, and horror of horrors, to enjoy. That means i want to see a story with real life issues but i want to see them being solved, and i want to see a balance of painful real life issues and happy real life issues. There actually is happiness in life. If i am watching a movie i want to see SOME redeeming qualities in the story. AJMBHK shows abuse after abuse after abuse....there is NO happiness, NO success, NO enjoyment. Every woman on this show is abused and no one stops it, there is no woman who overcomes, there is no positive part to it at all. The argument that Laali is strong is moot. She will overcome on the last episode. But for now, she and everyone else just faces pain after pain after pain, and repeated over and over. I repeat from my earlier post...it's really a bit sick. and it's really uncreative. The CV's should be embarrassed at their lack of vision. Like i say, i don't watch it anymore...sad to say as I had hopes that it would be a story with some depth, and that Laali would be a real heroine... she is beautiful and tender...but sorry, it's just way too depressing.

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Neela10

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Posted: 15 years ago

#12

Naava ... you are right in your own way. I never watched Hindi serials because I thought the storylines were just flights of fancy where everyone lived in a dreamworld.

For me, that was not real world. I wanted to see real life issues. Unfortunately, Indian TV is pretty one sided. So far, it has shown storylines that were just that ... full of fancy fairy stories ... For example, in all the Hindi movies that I have seen in my entire life, not one showed even one slum area. Slumdog Millionaire was one such film with a tale that showed the slums of India, the poverty, and in the end the triumph of a slum kid. I thought it was a great story.

You see, AJ is an issues based story: So far it has discussed:

domestic violence,
the buying and selling of women,
it has shown abject poverty,
exploitation of lower classes, and of women,
corruption,
revenge
and also goodness, and love (in the form of Shekhar and Laali's love story).
It has shown a woman's strong will (Laali's) to stand up against powerful people, that I thought was a great inspiration for downtrodden women.
Sumitra, after suffering mental abuse from her husband for so long, is now also standing up and she has risen in the eyes of all women.

If you have followed the story of AJ closely, you may have seen that none of the wrongdoers are really triumphing. Gangiay who had one time dreamt of being the mistress of Loha house is now out on the streets ...

But you are right. You have a wide choice of many, many Hindi TV serials which will provide you with what you want to see.

But there will be just one AJ, with its issues of stark reality ...

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naava

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Posted: 15 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Neela10

You see, AJ is an issues based story: So far it has discussed:
domestic violence,
the buying and selling of women,
it has shown abject poverty,
exploitation of lower classes, and of women,
corruption,
revenge
and also goodness, and love (in the form of Shekhar and Laali's love story).
It has shown a woman's strong will (Laali's) to stand up against powerful people, that I thought was a great inspiration for downtrodden women.
Sumitra, after suffering mental abuse from her husband for so long, is now also standing up and she has risen in the eyes of all women.
If you have followed the story of AJ closely, you may have seen that none of the wrongdoers are really triumphing. Gangiay who had one time dreamt of being the mistress of Loha house is now out on the streets ...

But you are right. You have a wide choice of many, many Hindi TV serials which will provide you with what you want to see.

But there will be just one AJ, with its issues of stark reality ...

Neela...I guess you misunderstood my point. i don't want to watch a fairy tale fluff, but a show with depth and balance. There is no balance in AJ even if they are dealing with stark reality as you put it. All the more reason to have some successes. You mention that the villains aren't really triumphing, but the protagonists aren't triumphing either...laali & shekhar love story has only been one of pain, as has sumitra and others...the show is coming to a close so now i assume they will finally have some victory. Real life is hard enough, who wants to watch a show where there is only sadness?

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Neela10

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Posted: 15 years ago

#14

Naava, you are right on one point: lack of depth. AJ suffered tremendously from that.

I tried watching other serials … and I am sorry to say, they were worse.

About AJ's lack of depth in its stories, I mentioned that many times in many of my posts.

About the balance of winning and losing … neither side won or lost too much, except for Gangiya, she lost terribly. I suppose as a viewer you wanted to see her really suffering, maybe hungry, penniless, and weeping for all the mistakes she has made, and probably groveling at Laali's feet asking for forgiveness. Well, that's not my style (does anyone do that in real life… I am not sure).

About the sadness part, I must be made of sterner stuff … you see, it did not affect me terribly … If I saw evilness, I also saw goodness. If I saw loss, then I also saw triumphs. If there was hate, there was also love …

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naava

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Posted: 15 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Neela10

Naava, you are right on one point: lack of depth. AJ suffered tremendously from that.
I tried watching other serials ' and I am sorry to say, they were worse.
About AJ's lack of depth in its stories, I mentioned that many times in many of my posts.
About the balance of winning and losing ' neither side won or lost too much, except for Gangiya, she lost terribly. I suppose as a viewer you wanted to see her really suffering, maybe hungry, penniless, and weeping for all the mistakes she has made, and probably groveling at Laali's feet asking for forgiveness. Well, that's not my style (does anyone do that in real life' I am not sure).
About the sadness part, I must be made of sterner stuff ' you see, it did not affect me terribly ' If I saw evilness, I also saw goodness. If I saw loss, then I also saw triumphs. If there was hate, there was also love '

Neela, we could go on forever with our discussion i suppose. (but let's not 😊) i wasn't thinking about the issue of winning or losing. As for Gangiya, or Loha or Ranvijay, what i wanted to see is them reforming..realizing their mistakes and changing and becoming good people. i'm not into punishment or revenge. Look, i'm a writer though normally not non-fiction -but i have done enough non fiction to understand that the audience of any story - either a book, a movie or a tv show - falls in love with and identifies with the lead characters...you develop them for that very purpose, and then they actually take on a life of their own. That is what keeps the viewers/readers coming and interested. But because the audience identifies with the lead characters if you cause too much angst and anguish then you lose your audience. Because in the end, THEY are the ones in love on the show or THEY are the ones being attacked, maligned, forsaken, forgotten. Just like any healthy human being, they want sometimes to be loved, find happiness, etc etc. There is a way to show the social issues you want to show, but still protect the wholeness of the leads. They can help a secondary character fight the issues, or they can fight but recover, but as the main protaganists, they must have some victories (not over others) but over their battles. This just doesn't happen on AJ and i know personally many people who have stopped watching it. I think the CV's missed the boat....my opinion. But i think other Indian soaps do the same...only when the show closes does anyone find hope, and it's usually so hokey its' silly... why not build it into the story all the way through? ....

look forward to your comment and then i think i'll retire from the thread. all the best. 🤗

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naava

@naava

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Posted: 15 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: Neela10
Madhur ... why didn't you try and stop Ranvijay?

My dear Madhur, when somebody is getting a beating you try and stop that person (whether it be a man or a woman). I thought you would break down the door as Ranvijay is beating Rekha.

Why did you just walk away? I thought you loved Rekha!!!

Neela, think we got a little off track from your original post, and i just wanted to say that you were 100% correct in your shout to Madhur.... why on earth didn't the CV's have him break down the door...(if I were the writer for this show i certainaly would have!!!!!! 😉 😆

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@telenovelle

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Posted: 15 years ago

#17

Most of the serials we watch are all full of negative things. How many times do you see people happy? Even if the characters are happy it lasts one second!!

😭😭😭If the serial was happy go luck it would not get the ratings. Humans seem to be drawn to negative things on TV because that is what sells and gives the ratings. Of course in that mix you can bring up issues which affect us as Agle did.

If you find the stuff too serious then you have the right to turn the channel.

We can pick and chose whateve we want to watch most of the time depending on the country you come from.

The interesting thing about serials is that every culture and country has some form of serial and most of the time they focus on negative things that happen to people. 😆😆😆😆

People watch them to escape reality, even though they can be depressing they are also enteraining as well.

My two cents....

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-SweetGirl-

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Posted: 15 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: naava
i have done enough non fiction to understand that the audience of any story - either a book, a movie or a tv show - falls in love with and identifies with the lead characters...you develop them for that very purpose, and then they actually take on a life of their own. That is what keeps the viewers/readers coming and interested. But because the audience identifies with the lead characters if you cause too much angst and anguish then you lose your audience. Because in the end, THEY are the ones in love on the show or THEY are the ones being attacked, maligned, forsaken, forgotten. Just like any healthy human being, they want sometimes to be loved, find happiness, etc etc. There is a way to show the social issues you want to show, but still protect the wholeness of the leads.

WEll Naava and Neela..

It's always Nice to see Such a Healthy and Interesting Discusssion on Forums...Sorry to intruppt But I will add a bit..😊

I Kind of Agree bit with Naava there is alwys more sad ness around Leads and so hyper drama and all ..They suffer all time badly ...Where AJ Cv's many times forgets to balance the Things..I know and I do not blame People who r annoy with thing things..I know It's bit hard for me to bear as well..All time Sick drama by Villains but no suffering for them...If there is is so bit but then no balance what their Lead suffered due to them...In Indian soaps Audinace Makes show with love of leads...about Indian Audiance so True They more identifies them with leads......When leads hv balance life and all Show alwys gets high ratings When such good tracks r followed...and they loss audiance when they try to mess up and try to play more and more with emotion...Audiance simply give up since they have many choice rather to take on such sick things...Viewers r customer at the end..If u will not give them wat they whnt u gonna loose them for sure...

But If u see some other soaps on same channel or some perticular on other (I will not name)..there is something big disappontment ing show in this Area than AJ always..

Here with AJ the most strong point is So strong portayed character of Leads Shekhar and Laali...If u see some soaps Heroins r not more used than just nicely dressed up ,make up ,read dialoges and speak out and cry ...Somes leads r so weak on TV drama if u see..but In context to that here Leads r so strong....but thing is contrass is they suffered the most like anything...

as my fried says " Laali ko bakayada Saja ke Rulane ke liye hi nahi dikhaya jata hai" as many heroins r shown..Male leads If u see U must know they have nothing to do much when Heroins is there...but here mail lead had also so strong Role in all ways...So Yaa I would be agree a bit ,some where I feels What I have written so I follow AJ with Interest..😊

Edited by -SweetGirl- - 15 years ago

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Neela10

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Posted: 15 years ago

#19

I Kind of Agree bit with Naava there is alwys more sad ness around Leads and so hyper drama and all ..They suffer all time badly ...Where AJ Cv's many times forgets to balance the Things..I know and I do not blame People who r annoy with thing things..I know It's bit hard for me to bear as well..All time Sick drama by Villains but no suffering for them...

I think what went wrong with the storylines was that it moved from one very high tension drama to the next, without stopping. Too much tension in storylines without reprieve is exhausting. That is what put many people off.

For example: The high intensity drama went from: the Ratna affair, to the split up of Shekhar-Laali affair, to the Sumitra kidnapping affair, to the Laali pregnancy and imprisonment affair, to the baby swapping affair, the death of Lallan affair; to the Loha imprisonment affair, to the house burning affair.

There was no respite anywhere. It is during this time that AJ ratings started slipping. Some relief should have been provided during or after any of these storylines.

I guess the CVs need to understand their fan base, and they are failing miserably if fans get exhausted by too much tension and start drifting away ...

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-SweetGirl-

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Posted: 15 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Neela10
I Kind of Agree bit with Naava there is alwys more sad ness around Leads and so hyper drama and all ..They suffer all time badly ...Where AJ Cv's many times forgets to balance the Things..I know and I do not blame People who r annoy with thing things..I know It's bit hard for me to bear as well..All time Sick drama by Villains but no suffering for them...

I think what went wrong with the storylines was that it moved from one very high tension drama to the next, without stopping. Too much tension in storylines without reprieve is exhausting. That is what put many people off.

For example: The high intensity drama went from: the Ratna affair, to the split up of Shekhar-Laali affair, to the Sumitra kidnapping affair, to the Laali pregnancy and imprisonment affair, to the baby swapping affair, the death of Lallan affair; to the Loha imprisonment affair, to the house burning affair.

There was no respite anywhere. It is during this time that AJ ratings started slipping. Some relief should have been provided during or after any of these storylines.

So much and I mean It..There is so much to bear for their leads and not point a bit for their villains..,..No relief at all....They have always working mind and plans and they continues...

See how poor r they to show some nice moment they do not have much past clips to show of baby and parents..just 2 - 3 of baby madhav and so few after 7 years reunion...U see when laali remember they keep on showing same Clips.....They never had gave imporatance to such moments on show..not much scene and than sudden sepration..they alwys continued with high tension daram which is obviously hard for audiance to bear continuously...

I guess the CVs need to understand their fan base, and they are failing miserably if fans get exhausted by too much tension and start drifting away ...

Agree there..😊

Yes Neela as We say In normal words..Just chill for while after so much tension and High Intensity drama..But they never stops they go on and on and on..Thanks for example u gave..

another thing after Laali back to haveli after 7 years without giving much time to shali family of togetherness Jamuni drama started,Sick and so annoying suman darama,baby sepration from parents which now 2 weeks older and shali r fighting Where Villaina r continue with Plans..and if that is not enough we have to bear this Pshcho girl Suman as well...I m sure It's gonna afttect impoved ratings..

But Still audiance do appriciates AJ with good tracks always ..example of shali out of haveli...shekhar back in from..Shali and baby together with lovely meoments ...togetherness and all the ratings near to 2 almost in such tough competion of SGP on same slot😊...but than obviously as always they mess up again🤢..But they shoud get idea by now what people likes and what not...Right now high time to deal with sick suman..It can bring down the show for sure..It had in past Sick track of her...Better be wake up early before lossing too much.....

Edited by -SweetGirl- - 15 years ago

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