Men and Women: Another LTL implication

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Posted: 14 years ago
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The more we see of any show, the more complexities there are. And sometimes, not even complexities...just things that keep us thinking....food for thought.

Men and women...honesty....and relationships is the topic of this post. I must warn you--I tried to reword this post because it does have elements of mental rambling going on...😆but you are probably used to that from me by now!

Let's put Naku, Dutta, other characters on the side a bit and discuss relationships. While this topic is inspired by the Naku-Dutta relationship, you can also see it in Kala-Kishore's and other relationships as well.

Honesty is an ideal we hold on to....we like people who are honest with us, and it makes us feel good when we can be honest with others. In relationships between men and women, this is particularly true. There is a need we all have to be accepted and appreciated for who we are as people--that we're okay just the way we are. It's at this point when our relationships soar and grow.

There are times when we have to put on other "faces", and this is particularly true for women and Indian women in particular and perhaps be things that we are not to keep others happy...but I've always experienced that it catches up with you. And that is why I was always bewildered by Naku's dilemma. (And also why many of you were bewildered with why I had such strong feelings regarding honesty.) I would ask: why, on some basic level, could she continue day-in-day-out with the pretense when she knows that is NOT her? That, despite the trueness of her love for Dutta, there was a level of mistruth (like that word?😆) to her life, to her relationships, to her relationship with Dutta. I'm not just talking about the soot, it goes far beyond that right now. I often wondered where was her self-respect or integrity after seeing day-in-day-out how Dutta was trying to be open to her, yet she could and would not to him? <Knowing myself, the guilt would have literally either forced me to tell the truth and accept whatever the consequences were OR I would have left his house>

Honesty starts, like the quote at the bottom says, with oneself. I am not perfect, I can be mean and, on special occasions😆, downright stupid😆...just as much as I can be fun, loving, caring...but I feel totally free when I am honest about myself in my relationships, when I speak up and say what I feel, without hopefully putting the other person down. It actually kills me on the inside when I have to put on a game face and keep things inside to myself in my personal relationships. I sometimes feel like I am rejecting myself by not being honest. you know what I mean? Sounds a bit weird, I know.

But I also understand in a personal relationship between a man and a woman--be it dating, marriage, whatever--sometimes honesty cannot always work. It has to be finessed, massaged...reworded, explained differently--but it at some point has to always be there. Otherwise, you're being untrue to yourself. And that moment does come for most people, particularly women, when they realize they are okay with themselves and that they want others to love them just for who they are and their honesty. And if the other--e.g. boyfriend or husband--can't, then it sinks the heart a bit, not to mention the self-respect.

What do you think? We've touched on this topic in the past in some of our posts and responses, but here and today, I'm curious where your head and heart is on this topic.

Looking forward to reading your responses!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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In a relationship, any relationship, complete honesty is always needed.Lying with words is one form & the most easy to detect. But there is another form of lying that is more dangerous than lying with words. It is called emotional dishonesty. There are times that you like the guy so much that you would do anything to keep him with you. You would change your manner of speaking, the way you dress, the way you wear your hair, your personal routine, everything about you, just to please him. In effect, you are lying to yourself by not staying true to your own identity, and you are lying to him as well for showing him a different person than who you really are.

In the end, the truth shall come out. You are not only in danger of losing him when the truth behind the lies is finally revealed, but you would also lose yourself in the process. Losing yourself is one of the worst possible outcomes in the end of a relationship; sometimes, it is hard to regain the sense of who you truly are. I put down here two of my favourite quotes"

Truth is the expression of love and is therefore always the necessary healing and loving action.

"Honesty can be tough but it's necessary if you want a close intimate relationship.

Edited by ZubyDutta - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Parul,
Yet again a great topic to brood on!!
For me Honesty provides the right, peace of mind and a sound sleep in the night....I can face myself in the mirror everyday..Atleast i was being honest and true to everyone, including myself....
A single lie leads to series of lies!!...The baggage is too much to carry...and a series of lies will make u slip one day and then the whole mountain of lies that you have built over the period of time, will crash on u....
As you said, this dishonesty will catch up with you definitely...and I think Naku is aware of that...She knows that she cannot escape the moment of truth and would have to bear the consequences...She knows that this truth will catch up with her one day and thats why she has repeatedly stated that her beauty has become a curse for her! Her weaknesses do not let her come out in open in front of Dutta and the curse keeps her in trauma constantly....
I just feel Naku needs to find her inner strength and believe in self and her love...She needs to truly believe that this curse is not her doing...Once she "believes" in self, she would be more confident in facing Dutta and his questions.....One traumatic convo with him and then she can regain her self respect, be ready to face any consequences and may be help Dutta too, to see things from the right perspective....But for that she needs to clean her conscience....and develope the confidence in her...The honesty would fill her with this confidence and this confidence is what would radiate from her face.....If only she could overpower her weakness!!
Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Parul,

Once more a wonderful thought provoking post.....I tihnk it cannot be disscussed enough as it is the very essence of LTL. The whole characterizations and the relationship btn Tasha defines the show and I love it for the complexities and the depth that they have shown in the development of their relationship. Bfr I go further,
@DD: Beautifully said...I love the way you put forward Naku's weakness and state of mind. It gave me something to think about and feel good as I seriously could never understand why she is behaving the way she is lately....
I think at this point , I would like to share what my mom ahd once said to me in the early days of my marriage... meri maa bolti hain😉😉😉 that the most successful relationship is the one where there is mental peace and understanding. And that can only be acheved when the two parties take the effort to understand each other's needs and accept them. We have to accept the other person as he/she is...with all their faults and weaknesses.We cannot expect perfection all the times.. Also in any relationship , we have to dance in rhythum, if one steps forward the other steps back. Both cannot step forward and collide...
I think that is very true in Tasha's relationship....both are having their own faults, Dutta 's being that he is a reactionary with very strong reactions...he can go off like a rocket at a single snap....he will then not listen to reason, wisdom or nything that makes sense. He is also someone who can be led away easily....esp by manilulative people like Kala...And Naku has seen all this throughtout her stay in PN.
As far as Naku goes, she's never had the guts to stand for herself till she met Dutta...till then she's always allowed to be led into doing things either by her mother or by Ganpat..It was only after meeting Dutta that she started showing some backbone.....the other factor esp with regds to her color is that she's always seen the bad effects of showing her true color....so she doesn't have the confidence to reveal her real self though she knows she's cheating Dutta. Also, initially she had no hopes of ever gaining Dutta's love, and even during the JMM track and after , she was pretty sure Dutta plans to dump her. It was only after the proposal that she relaised the real extent of Dutta's love...so she cried bitterly at her loss. Also , for Naku, gaining Dutta's love and the respect of being his wife,is the epitome of all her dreams... Everything she ever wanted in her life has now been offered to her in the palm of her hand. And being a human being , she wants to preserve it and enjoy it at all costs, no matter what excuses she gives... On the other hand, her conscience is not allowing her to rest in peace and enjoy it.. So she keeps getting these akward moments from time to time. I also feel that she herself knows that its a matter of time bfr Dutta comes to know about her true color and the explosion that will take place later...so she's trying to make the most of it....
And that is what makes this relationsship spl.....bth the parties are flawed and both are shown as humans reacting predcitably as normal people do....We all want to be as happy as possible and strive towards it at all costs...We also tend to overlooks things and values when it involves the biggest happiness or success of our lives...It does't make us bad people, coz we all know that in our hearts we value all those things taught to us right from our childhood, good values like honesty, humanity, patience, understanding, but when it comes to actually enforcing it we tend to overlook those and live the moment...eventually though all the fun and the cost of it catches up with us and we have to pay the price....and So will Tasha....
Sunshine
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunshine21

Parul,

Once more a wonderful thought provoking post.....I tihnk it cannot be disscussed enough as it is the very essence of LTL. The whole characterizations and the relationship btn Tasha defines the show and I love it for the complexities and the depth that they have shown in the development of their relationship. Bfr I go further,
@DD: Beautifully said...I love the way you put forward Naku's weakness and state of mind. It gave me something to think about and feel good as I seriously could never understand why she is behaving the way she is lately....
I think at this point , I would like to share what my mom ahd once said to me in the early days of my marriage... meri maa bolti hain😉😉😉 that the most successful relationship is the one where there is mental peace and understanding. And that can only be acheved when the two parties take the effort to understand each other's needs and accept them. We have to accept the other person as he/she is...with all their faults and weaknesses.We cannot expect perfection all the times.. Also in any relationship , we have to dance in rhythum, if one steps forward the other steps back. Both cannot step forward and collide...
I think that is very true in Tasha's relationship....both are having their own faults, Dutta 's being that he is a reactionary with very strong reactions...he can go off like a rocket at a single snap....he will then not listen to reason, wisdom or nything that makes sense. He is also someone who can be led away easily....esp by manilulative people like Kala...And Naku has seen all this throughtout her stay in PN.
As far as Naku goes, she's never had the guts to stand for herself till she met Dutta...till then she's always allowed to be led into doing things either by her mother or by Ganpat..It was only after meeting Dutta that she started showing some backbone.....the other factor esp with regds to her color is that she's always seen the bad effects of showing her true color....so she doesn't have the confidence to reveal her real self though she knows she's cheating Dutta. Also, initially she had no hopes of ever gaining Dutta's love, and even during the JMM track and after , she was pretty sure Dutta plans to dump her. It was only after the proposal that she relaised the real extent of Dutta's love...so she cried bitterly at her loss. Also , for Naku, gaining Dutta's love and the respect of being his wife,is the epitome of all her dreams... Everything she ever wanted in her life has now been offered to her in the palm of her hand. And being a human being , she wants to preserve it and enjoy it at all costs, no matter what excuses she gives... On the other hand, her conscience is not allowing her to rest in peace and enjoy it.. So she keeps getting these akward moments from time to time. I also feel that she herself knows that its a matter of time bfr Dutta comes to know about her true color and the explosion that will take place later...so she's trying to make the most of it....
And that is what makes this relationsship spl.....bth the parties are flawed and both are shown as humans reacting predcitably as normal people do....We all want to be as happy as possible and strive towards it at all costs...We also tend to overlooks things and values when it involves the biggest happiness or success of our lives...It does't make us bad people, coz we all know that in our hearts we value all those things taught to us right from our childhood, good values like honesty, humanity, patience, understanding, but when it comes to actually enforcing it we tend to overlook those and live the moment...eventually though all the fun and the cost of it catches up with us and we have to pay the price....and So will Tasha....
Sunshine


very well said sunshine👏
Edited by sasha_1 - 14 years ago

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