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@rickks

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Posted: 14 years ago

Index of links for analysis beyond page 3

GHSP-The Show In Safe Hands-By Viji

ADITI'S TAKE -By Aditi

spoilers index😉

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Posted: 14 years ago

Idiots' Tantra Mala

Chamatkar ya Balatkar'idiots ki tantra mala....

Considering that we are all idiots and we need some semblance for we have a pool of writers, analysts and observers, who contribute to increase, improve and help our understanding Geet the serial, characters, plot and other aspects and symbolism in the story. We have people who find elements like water, color and let's not forget inanimate objects like dupatta in their analysis.
So here is the tantra mala for those who don't understand so much Hindi it is a system well it is not idiot proof for it is for idiots..

Tantra

1. The first post is the index and Spoiler links

2. The second post Tantra Mala and Rota

3. The Third post is for the person opening the thread

4. The first three pages are for analysis ONLY as it gets lost in the pages later on. We have received requests for this.

5. The chat thread would be the previous day's thread. So feel free to express anything and everything there.

6. Once the reserve of spot is done within say the first hour, the thread is then open for discussion and replies.

7. Anyone who misses the boat on first three pages to analyse the episode, should send a pm to the opener to index the link so that people find it easy to read your take.

8. We want maximum people to read the analysis and appreciate the effort and time put into watching the episode several time to bring in nuances.

9. The thread will be opened in a rota system and the list will be available on the thread as well.

10. The thread will open at 9:00 pm IST

11. We have opened a Chat Club http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1495244 Please feel free to join this and discuss everything under the sun, moon, stars' anything related to the episode, doubts, different pov, should be done on the main thread let everyone get to know what you are thinking'

Rota Tantra

Next week starting October 4th

Monday ' Pooja

Tuesday ' Shivu

Wednesday ' Viji

Thursday ' Nihu

Friday - Nags

Week starting October 11th

Monday ' Param

Tuesday ' Sann

Wednesday ' Rev

Thursday ' Anisha

Friday ' Sann(nupsie)

Anyone wanting to open the thread please send pms to the founding members, RushTrip, Revv and Nargis

IDIOT Assignments:

Aamir Khan ... Rancho - Nargis
Kareena Kapoor ... Pia - dolphinUSA (Dol)
Madhavan ... Farhan Qureshi - RushTrip (Vrush)
Sharman Joshi ... Raju Rastogi - MaaneetDD (Rev)
Boman Irani ... Viru Sahastrabudhhe - Viji
Omi Vaidya ... Chatur Ramalingam aka 'Silencer' - mysterygurl1427 (Shivani)
Javed Jaffrey ... Ranchoddas Shamaldas Chanchad - Yasu09
Mona Singh ... Mona - blueangle13
Rahul Kumar ... Millimetre - MM - SIGMA (Pram)
Ali Fazal ... Joy - NanditaSingh
Dushyant Wagh ... Centimetre - Neha
Rajeev Ravindranathan ... Lead Ragging Senior - pooja83
Akhil Mishra ... Librarian Dubey - Maneetforever (Amerra)
3 IDIOT Audiance - aditi123_78 (Aditi)
Mona(Geet's) Unborn Baby - --sann-- (Nupur)
Shoaib Ahmed ... Chote - jamoshi2507 (Neha)
Meghna Bhatia ... Raju's Wife - pickle6586 (Soumya)
Amardeep Jha ... Raju's Mother - macho_muffin
Malvika Singh ... Mona's Baby - Star Struck- Anisha
Chaitali Bose ... Raju's Sister -LavZ

The Open positions are:

Parikshat Sahni ... Farhan's Father
Jayant Kripalani ... Campus Interview Panel Head
Chandrashekhar ... Airlines Ground Staff 2
Dushyant Wagh ... Centimetre
Achyut Potdar ... Machine Class Professor
Atul Tiwari ... Minister in Auditorium
Arun Bali ... Shamaldas Chanchad
Supriya Shukla ... Matron in Hospital with Pia
Farida Dadi ... Farhan's Mother
Omi ... Chatur - pondicherry boy
Pooja Goswami ... Air Hostess
Harvinder Singh ... Mr. Dhillon
Nishi Singh ... Maid at Pia's House
Dinesh Kumar ... Mona's Husband
Aakash Dabhade ... ICE Student 2
Pitobash ... Junior 1
Rakesh Sharma ... Minister at Shyamaldas' Funeral
Michael Joseph ... Exam Hall Professor
Captain A.S. Duggal ... Pilot
Dr. Praful Kulkarni ...Doctor startled by scooter in hospital
Sarvanna ... College Security Guard
Trilok Sadhwani ... ICE Student 4
R.S. Kodange ... Doctor at Airport
Mukund Bhatt ... Raju's Father
Tanveer Ahmed ... Professor in Induction Motor Class
Hitesh Tak ... Ragging Senior 2
Sitaram Sharma ... Manager at Pia's Wedding
Raghunathan ... Professor in Corridor
Vaidyanathan ... Professor Vaidyanathan
Rajendra Patwardhan ... Govind
Sanjay Sood ... Peanut Vendor at Shimla
Annapurna Kaul ... Airlines Ground Staff 1
Pandit Prayag Raj ... Panditji at Pia's Wedding

Dr. Kishor Patil ... Doctor in Ambulance with Raju
Dayal Sharma ... Caretaker at Shyamaldas' House
Shankar Sachdev ... Ambulance Driver
Dharmendra Bhurji ... Airport Cab Driver
Apul Jaisinghani ... ICE Student 3
Shailaja Dhar ... Lady at Mona's Wedding
Saurabh Agnihotri ... Housekeeping Boy at Pia's Wedding
Kumar Veer Singh ... Waiter at Mona's Wedding
Sonu ... Library Clerk
Dileep Desai ... Priest at Joy's funeral

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@rickks

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Posted: 14 years ago

"Yaara Seeli Seeli Birha Ki Raat Ka Jalna
Yaara Seeli Seeli, Yaara Seeli Seeli

O Yaara Seeli Seeli, Dhola Seeli Seeli
Yaara Seeli Seeli Birha Ki Raat Ka Jalna

Yeh Bhi Koi Jeena Hai, Yeh Bhi Koi Jeena Hai
Yeh Bhi Koi Marna"

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If you have missed my Post Do check this out....you wont regret reading it...😉

GHSP-The Show In Safe Hands

Kuch Toh Log Kahenge hi....Logon ka Kaam hai Kehna

Par sab Kuch Zyada nahi keh gaye....It was so Funny....Aaise lag raha tha ki that female voice somebody was reading a forecast....

NT back with a Bang.....

I have already made an Entire Post on this so i am keeping shut.....But Ek Baat Kehna hai....What a beautiful and brilliant move by the CV's.....dHatts off to you guys.....

Tit for Tat

War of Words between Geet and NT was Phenomenal....Loved the way Geet stood up against NT, Maan's Presence in Geet's Life is the fact that Got highlighted here....Its his presnec in Geet's Life that made Geet speak these words to NT boldly

I know Maan Better Than you Do....

Geet was not ready to hear and believe anything that NT said....coz she knew Maan way better than NT......and its true...had NT Talked to Maan....Maan ne use Zinda Gaad diya Hotha.....NT was just playing her cards cunningly and she just got lucky....Kamini did not even have met Maan....

Meera a Friend for Life

Dev and Meera have set out on the search for Geet....But there is a difference Dev wants to find Geet not coz he was worried for her....but coz his Brother that is Maan's Happiness is bonded to Geet...So she has to come back at any cost lest Maan would be shattered....

(Okay here goes a Prediction....I could Be wrong but here it is_
Dev and Meera will never be able to find Geet...Coz finding Geet means finding Maan's Happiness and this opportunity will never land in Dev's Hand....it will only come to Maan....
Only Maan will Find Geet😉

Guys Geet was already in a big dilemma...buy the time she made up her mind *THUD* another bomb was dropped at her by NT ....so confusion toh badega hi.....and its in in such confused state she questions Maan (Thoughts)....Toh this will change(Keeping my Fingers crossed)

Special Mention to the stars of today's episode....

1)The Back-ground Score--Jag Soona Soona
The Song did more than half the Job today...its sustained the mood, of depression, hurt, pain etc.....to the mark.....

2)Karishma Randeva
Lets face it guys she totally rockked......Back with a Band as the evil NT and aathe hi tevar shuru......Manipulation shuru....Evil smirks shuru....after the BG Score if something was worth a mention in today's episode was Karishma's come back and the ability to shoulder the show well with no Maan, No Maaneet a little of Geet....

Detailed Analysis on The Song will come Up shortly....😉

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-honeydew-

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Posted: 14 years ago

Ek ke baad ek ...

-Geet thinking, she would not do the same thing to Maan that dev did to her .. man oh man .. DD creatives have been reading your posts honey👏 ...

-i am also glad NT is back .. yes, if love is a strong emotion, so is hate .. so what if we cant have a dose of love, we can have a dash of hate cant we ? thats what happened? no wastage of time ... no long scenes ( not that they had a choice) ... but NT declares, i have already told Maan, to which Geet says, you wouldnt be here if you actually did .. obviously, their relationship is stronger than most people around them can gauge .. thats why after all the dissauding and discouragement ... she still wants to hear it from him .. she goes looking for him... waise how dare NT enter Maan's bed room...😡😡😡

-and for all those people who were cribbing about why the creatives edited out those scenes while Maan got to know of Geet's pregnancy- dont you think watching those scenes of him driving were as fresh as shot now... well, thats why i say trust these guys .. they are a good sensible bunch...

-Maan wanting to look for Geet, wanting to know the truth, again laid the foundation of how their relationship is all about truth, faith and honesty ...

-Dev and Myra setting out to look for Geet, could meet they might find her .. and talk to her... NT is back, but i wanna see how much Dev might wanna own up .. but the point is .. NT could always say, they both cheated me .. may be introduce an angle, where she says, just cos i cant conceive children, she was promised money, and agreed to be the surrogate and now she has turned all greedy!!( okay this is a k soap twist, but we need something to get the story going)

-smart and intelligent use of all flashes and an apt choice of song! dil judey bina hi toot gaye .. hath miley bina hi chut gaye ... but once they meet, they will never part .. my seven heavens theory still holds valid ...

-dadi had to turn against the whole thing, some time or the other... better sooner than later.. cos once Maan returns, he just might put his foot down .. though now m wondering, what NT has told Dev and Dadi though..😉

-LASTLY ... HAD THESE TWO BEEN ON THE SCENE, HOW MANY OF US WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY WANTED ALL THIS SERIOUSNESS, WHICH WAS MUCH NEEDED, IN ORDER FOR THE STORY TO MOVE AHEAD ..

-they are now setting stage for the next set of problems .. people had begun to wonder, if all situations and problems are sorted .. whats left to watch ...

but sweet hearts ... there is soo much more!! i loved the episode totally .. for Geet's never say die spirit.. for Maan's not losing faith in Geet- NT for making a coming back at the most needed hour .. for very little of Dev and Myra ....

most importantly ... DD and GC .. yuo were not around, neither were you in the same frame or in any frame for that matter... but we could still feel your presence .. such is the aura our Maaneet exude ...

Gurmeet and Dhrasti .. please guys .. take care of yourselves .. and get well soon!! your well being is all we wish and ask for ..

before i sign off ... hats off creative team ... you guys never tire ...!! you managed to make me smile ..😊

love always,
niha

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nandita singh

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Posted: 14 years ago

Jaag Sunna Sunna Lagai ..... Tuta koi Sapna

Firstly ....GET WELL SOON- GURMEET & DRASHTI ....we all are praying for you both

Get Mended!

Illness means something's not working quite right,
So do what it takes to get mended.
When you are sick, it gives me quite a fright,
So please, let your illness be ended!
I care about you and miss you!

By Karl and Joanna Fuchs

Second....what an timing , amazing re-entry of NT...was missing her...& so hate her

(yeap Nargis i'm happy ...see what a bang she created with one solo appearance...God only knows what she told Daadi.....Maan ofcourse i can bet they dint meet...as Geet said..'agar unhai poori saachai paata hoti toh aap yahan nahi hoti')

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You broke me, you broke my heart, you broke everything! You
turned my world upside down and inside out

is what was written on Daadi Maa's face while she had her head bowed in shame infront of the world..whe a while ago had so proudly welcomed to witness her most cherished dream ..come true
but it never did...all she heard was not congratulations..but whispers yelling of disgrace it was for the Khurana family....& saw and felt the pain & hurt of Maan...who left the venue witout his bride, bride who never turned up....

'Geet aisa kaise kar sakti hai, woh Maan sir ko kaise chodkar jaa sakti hai..'
was what Pinky voiced ..but was question that dwelled in every mind there

'Woh nahi ayegi'...Dadi tried to convince him ..but he left..he knew her better ... only he knew her...She could not leave him...
She could not....
'tu bhi wahi kar rahii hai..' how can she do same to him that Dev did to her...this thought brings her mind to situation that must have been created at the mansion coz of her..her absence ..what he must be going through torments her mind & she can no longer hold herself back from running to him....

i wanna run into your arms
i wanna be right where you are

Love always does win over over hatred...over ever other emotion....
Here too for Both Maan & Geet nothing matters but their love....Geet lets go of her hatred & pain & rushes to Maan so that he does not have to suffer the same...while Maan thinks not for a moment of his own pain but wants to know where she is is....instead of shielding himself away from himself..he sets himself up on a mission to find her...

Oh I need you to give me all your pain
I need you to be what hurts me the most
You're the cause of all my pain
All my sweet and lovely pain
From which I just can't stay away

She had left behind her a happy dream & returns to see ....
But then came the nightmare
That shattered all the dreams;
Then its dusts only remained

And the Evil returns.....in black, to darken ever hope that Geet has still to hold on to...

You may shoot me with your words
You may cut me with your eyes
You may kill me with your hatefullness
But still, like air, I'll rise.

But unlike before...this time Geet does not give in & believe her....

For I have bound myself in light
That I might live in joy,
And cannot - will not - let the night
My bonds of love destroy.

'Dil , Rishtey aur Maan sir kai baraimain baat karte huai aap achi nahi lagti...'

thank you creatives for not letting anything happen to our sweet Dadi..if it did, there could be no forgiveness for it ...Poor Dadi..she blames herself too for Maan's pain & broken heart...she had welcomed Geet into their lives willingly , hoping that she will bring smile ....but all she sees now is darkness & grief..

She is angry with Geet & also herself...and hence not ready to hear anything that Geet has to say...

you shattered every piece of me
and expect me to forgive
how is that even possible
with everything you did!

you made me feel invisible
useless, hated, and scared
when i thought you were the one
it turned out you could never be there

you left me feeling weak
didn't want to live anymore
there are no more words to speak
I've heard it all before

so don't tell me that your sorry
because i just don't care
and now you'll know how i felt
when you were no longer there!

to all my friends who questioned that when Maan did not let her absense cloud his mind how did Geet believe NT....as i see it she dint believe NT..but she believed Dadimaa...when Dadi confirmed to her what NT had said that Maan has left ... she had no reason not to believe Dadi's words.....'..woh chalegai hain'

Why? Because I hoped and prayed or love would last.
Yet in the end it didn't and I don't know what to do.
I'm trying to get over it but i'm so lost without you.
Why did you leave me?
I've never been hurt so bad.
Why did you leave me?
Don't you realize you were all I had?

she is left shocked & shattered that he dint want to hear from her.... and that he left ....'...sach janai ki khoshi nahi ki aur ab aap mujhsai milna nahi chatai!'

We'll find a way to be together
However long it takes, wherever
If it means having you for only a moment
A moment just might be enough
I'm not giving you up, no
No I'm not giving you up, no

on the otherhand we see Maan not willing to believe anything that the world has to say...nor interpreting her absense , all he wants is to hear it from her...'tumhare ankhaien jhoot nahi kehti Geet, tumhai mujhai batana hoga ki aise kya majburi thi jo tum mujhai akelai chodkar chalegai..tum iss taraha nahi jaa sakti Geet'

what an eventful episode....well they do know how to make us speechless..i almost was .... finally managed to put my thought into words....

love (Maan❤️)
Nandita

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_Invincible_

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Posted: 14 years ago

ye dooriyan......in rahon ki duriyan.........

overall a good epi...........😊

NT returns😡😡😡😡....... dat pisses me off but i will bear all torture of NT for GC and DD 's sake................

brilliant work by cv's in such a circumstances............. 👏👏👏

i m falling short of words to praise how u pulled it up from a possible mess..............

well justified disappearence of maneet........................

geet and maan searching each other...................

taveez will never let dem stay apart not even in thoughts.................

see both maan and get were having FB'S related to taveez ................so i m highly optimistic dat dere would b no separation............

1 more purpose would b solved dat maan will come to know dev's truth i guess....................

so nothing fake will b left b/w dem...............

NT- geet face off........................

good all such matters r being finished off before engagement so dat no issue pops up after it.........

bravo geet.................d way she stood up against NT was awesome👏

song just made me 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

NT-dev-myra.................1 more reason 4 dev to b dead................😆

myra will insist him to confess and NT will threaten him not to do so.....................

dev would b

ek taraf hai gharwali

ek taraf baharwali

wo bole sachhayi

ye bole hogi pitaai...............🤣

NT telling geet dat "jitna bhi dur utha kar phenkh do par aap khote sikke ki tarah wapis aa jati hain............"😡😡😡😡

dev will feel same thing 4 u........................😆😆😆😆

poor daadi..............shattered all d way and moreover NT instigating her................

maan searching geet to seek answers and geet misunderstanding him...............

oh geet plz dont trust dat evil NT ................u urself said dat................

i hope wen maneet come face to face everything will clear off.........

I m happy today dat atleast i have got 1 more person to hate(NT) as i was tired of hating dev and venting out my frustation on him...........

So 4 dis reason NT u r welcome to share ur husbands plight............😆😆😆😆😆

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Lavz

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Get well soon Guru n Drasthi…..🤗

Cvs -HATS OFF TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!👏👏👏👏 Maan gaye aap logon ko…..ithne probs ke bavajooth…u hav handled da situation FANTASTICALLY👏👏👏….dis songs fr u guys….

Koi humse jeet na paave

Chale chalo, chale chalo

Mit jaave jo takraave, chale chalo

Bhale ghor andheraa chhaave

Chale chalo, chale chalo

Koi raah mein na thaam jaawe, chale chalo

Toot gayi jo ungli utthi

Paanchon mili to ban gaye mutthi

Eka badhta hi jaawe

Chale chalo, chale chalo

Koi kitna bhi bahekaave, chale chalo

Koi humse jeet na paave

Chale chalo, chale chalo

Mit jaave jo takraave, chale chalo

NT returns – I hate her😡….hate her deeds….i hate to c her brainwash Daadi…..but nything fr GC /DD n CVs😉….i thought I hate Dev da most…nope…dis lady here takes dat status……Nw Geet left home coz of her…ahaa!!!😃 I jst lovd dis😛…coz aftr Maan gets to noe abt dis..NT kit ho Waat lagegi naa😉….log tho paer mae khuladi marthe hai…iss aurath ne tho apna sar hi khuladi par mar di……

Maan ne usse akhri chethavni de thi…..

"Agar thumhare wajah se Geet ke aankhon se ek bhi aansu aaya tho MSK khud uska badla sooth sameth lega….."Maan vil nt leave her…n I vil compensate all des episodz with dat one episode😉…..

Geet - NT confront - WeLL done Geet!!!👏👏 I jst Loved da way she anwered bck NT….

Aap aasaani se haar nahi maanthi …..thumhe andaza bhi nahi hai NT…punjaban hai who HP ki😆😆….

Kissine mujhe sikhaya hai..jootmoot ke aansu bahane ke koi fayida nahi…..

Maan sir ke bare mei kuch math kehna….👏👏

Party katham hui hai..yeh rishtha nahi…..😃

Dil,Rishthe aur Maan ke bare mei aap bathe karthe achi nahi lagthi….aur waise bhi in sab ke bare mei aapke samjah kum hai….

Agar aapne Maan sir ko sach bataye hote thoAAP is ghar se bahar hote….👏👏

Daadi brainwashed against Geet – yes its painful to even think abt it😭…bt dis is all fr da gud…..i'll survive dis…bt I hate dat female(NT)😡…..

Maan lukin out fr Geet -

"kaha ho thum Geet…ek baar mil jao…job hi dil mei hai..ek baar kehdo"….😃

He still lukin fr her…he believs her….n even aftr evry1 said she left him…he dnt tak it….coz he has read her eyes pretty well…..dats Maneet fr us…so much understndin…..deeply connektd…😳😳.

Maan n Geet searching fr each odr -

Hai kya yeh jo tere mere darmiyaan hai
Andekhi ansuni koi dastaan hai
Lagne lagi, ab zindagi khaali
Hai meri.tere bina....

Da things I loved abt todays episode –

Song select – "Chan se jo toote koi sapna…jag soona soona lage" AWSUM…ithna dard…cdnt hav selectd a better apt song fr da situatn….👏👏⭐️⭐️

Entry of NT – I hated it😡…bt it was da best…..well done….👏👏

Using Gurus driving scene -da one aftr peelon sequnz….GRt wrk…..⭐️⭐️

Geet asked to leave da hous…coz of NT – LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!😃👏👏

NT has jst dug her own grave….made a coffin…arragnd nails n hammer n luk at her!!!...she is even lyin inside it …aur tho aur she is waitin fr Maan to nail da lid😆😆….Fantastic twist CVs!!!! 👏👏

Geet lukin fr Maan n Maan lukin fr Geet - still keepin Maneet linked to each odr😳😳…..Well done…👏

Using tit bits of Guru frm mon episode n use of FB…..WONDERFUL …..👏

No precap -😕teek hai….its a bit frustratin..bt fr u guys….Kuch bhi….😉

So dats it folks…..frm my side…nw waitin to read all urz….

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--Nargis--

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Posted: 14 years ago

A Kutta Kameena is married to a MAHA KUTTI....KAEMEENI!! UGH....🤢🤢

Nandu....hope you are happy.............the Kutti returns.................and with a Bang too!!

Adding.............

I know it not anyone's fault...and illness happens....but all I can say is that.....

Maanga kya tha or mila kya!!!😕

Adding my meager take for today........................

I think Nups said something similar to this...so Nups to build on what you already said...I feel that Entry of NT will force Dev to confess his crimes in front of Daadima.....to redeem Geet in Daadima's eyes... Maan will never believe anything NT says.and therefore Geet will remian untainted in Maan's eyes.......but last scene today was indicative that Daadima NT ke baato mein aa jaegi....and therefore she may appose Maan marrying Geet.

Dev better step up to redeem Geet..................BUT that in NO WAY should redeem him of his CRIMES...he should be made to pay...he should go to JAIL....or get a BOBBIT!!!

What do you girls think???

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Jaan hai toh jahaan hai....and that holds true today. Not only for Gurmeet and Drashti, but for Maan, Geet and Daadi.

- I'm extremely happy that despite such defamation, nothing happened to Daadi, else Maan would never have been able to forgive Geet. Thank you CVs for taking care of this part.
- Maan, even though feels betrayed, still cares for Geet. He wants to listen out to her just once. Thank you CVs for keeping him in character for his love for Geet is beyond any wrong.
- Geet decides to do the right thing by returning to the venue...by returning back to Maan. Thank you CVs for preventing Geet from committing a mistake which could never be forgiven - by her or by him.
- NT is back...and with a bang! The stirrings she has created will only affect her own self. She doesn't know that Maan knows the partial truth. And when he comes to know the entire truth, he will take account of each tear escaped from Geet's eyes from her..with interest. Thank you CVs for moving the story in the right direction.

Last but not the least...CVs...you rock!!!!

My heart goes out to Maan..and Geet. Maan has to suffer for Dev's deeds time and again...and Geet too. Babaji..please bless them a happy life now..please!

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