About Ramadan - Page 12

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Hey what about our soldiers ? 😲 They are doing their duty ! 😕 So are the soldiers of the opponents !!!

I said innocent people.........terrorists are not soldiers........they do not kill people in the line of their duty.........they just kill innocents........

Originally posted by: blue-ice

No religion teaches to kill the innocent..........if someone is killing innocent people they don't belong to any religion.........that is my definition ......don't care for anyone Else's definition........

Seems like you missed my point. I wasn't commenting on what a religion teaches or preaches. It isn't about what the religion mandates its followers to do, but rather how loosely the followers interpret their religion and relates with it. The point is that we can violate or transgress an aspect of our religion but still belong to that said faith.

Religion is a huge spectrum. Things aren't always in black or white. There will be as many definitions of the word "Muslim" (or for that matter, the followers of any other religions) as many definers there are out there.

Think of it in this way - Indian law makes murder a criminal act. It is considered a brutal and heinous crime that is outlawed by the nation. Now what if an Indian citizen commits a murder - will that immediately make him a non-Indian for his violation of the law? Of course not. He will still remain an Indian - albeit an Indian who has disgraced his country by his unlawful deed - but an Indian nonetheless.

The fact is that Kasab considers himself a Muslim. A lot of his actions and thoughts came from his interpretation of Islam. This, however, sheds more light into his own nature than the religion that he claims to be inspired from. But that is another conversation best left for another day.

Originally posted by: blue-ice

I said innocent people.........terrorists are not soldiers........they do not kill people in the line of their duty.........they just kill innocents........

Will you consider an innocent killed by a soldier who is defending his country and an innocent killed by a suicide bomber the same.........the difference is in the intention...........the intention of a soldier is not to kill innocent civilians but sometimes they do get killed and its a collateral damage that every war has......
on the otherhand a terrorist plans to kill innocent people...what was 9/11....those terrorist were not on the battlefield....they knew very well that the only people killed will be innocent people.....what happened on 26/11, or on the local trains,in mosques and schools in Pakistan............who would blow up a school or a place of worship...

I fail to understand how one can even draw a parallel between the killings by a soldier VS. that by a terrorist....there is nothing to compare...

Regarding the religion....Was there any religion in the beginning...its nothing but man-made division.....Its not a science that I have to accept it the way it is...I am free to draw my own conclusion..so are you....we don't have to agree.... and for me terrorists do not belong to any religion....

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Absolutely. All those things are definitely permitted and not just that - I think they're required (or should be at least). I always get the question of how come chewing gum isn't allowed - well, chewing gum results in a calorie intake which defeats the purpose of fasting.

I always thought it was because chewing gum is usually for enjoyment - flavor, or just habit; because you do get zero calorie gum too. There are so many things with no calorie intake really. But they are more food and drink rather than hygiene necessity.

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

For example, my dad is a smoker (big sigh, I know) and since you can't smoke when you're fasting, he's does end up being mr. crankypants sometimes. I always get into an argument with him over that - I tell him to stop fasting if he can't deal with it and is going to be so angry all the time, but he refuses to do that as well. 😆 Awww, but he tries really hard to control his temper. Although now I know that my rage issues are so intense because I get it from both my parents, haha.

Here's what I don't get about fasting smokers. If you can not smoke for almost 14-16 hours - then why not more? Won't this be a great time to quit?

Smokers do get very cranky without their smokes though. Although there are people who get grumpy when they are hungry too. I used to, but I'm better now. My sister can be a beast though.