US drone 'kills 14 Pakistan militants'

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Is it possible that in future all wars would be fought not with real soldiers but through robots and other electronic devices and gadgets? Looked at this unmanned drone below just bombing away senselessly which could lead to loss of innocent lives.
Tuesday, 11 May 2010 05:58 UK

US drone 'kills 14 Pakistan militants'

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US drone attacks are being stepped up along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border
At least 14 suspected militants have been killed by unmanned US drones in Pakistan's tribal region of North Waziristan, local officials say.

The planes fired a dozen missiles at an alleged hideout some 30km (20 miles) from the region's main town, Miranshah.

The US has stepped up pressure on Pakistan's government since linking a failed car bombing in New York to the Pakistani Taliban.

North Waziristan has been the focus of dozens of drone attacks since 2008.

The strikes have proved controversial, with hundreds of people, including civilians, being killed.

An unnamed Pakistani security official told the AFP news agency that the US drones had fired into the compound early on Tuesday.

"They targeted a compound and vehicles parked outside the house. According to the latest reports we have, a total of 14 militants were killed," the official said.

Reuters news agency quoted an unnamed security official as saying that "militants had cordoned off the area [and] so far they have retrieved 11 bodies from the debris".

The official said the death toll may rise as the "militants are still searching for bodies".

The US has recently stepped up drone attacks in North and South Waziristan, where they believe many al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters find shelter.

Over the past 18 months, Pakistan has publicly criticised drone attacks saying they fuel support for militants.

But observers say the authorities privately condone the strikes.

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Legality of Drone attacks debated, CNN.
WASHINGTON — Congress delved Wednesday into the politically explosive issue of unmanned drone attacks, questioning the legality of operations increasingly used to combat al Qaeda and Taliban militants in countries such as Pakistan.

In the eight years of George W. Bush's presidency, unmanned aircraft - or drones - attacked militant targets 45 times.

Since President Barack Obama took office, the numbers have risen sharply: 51 last year and 29 so far this year.

Most attacks have targeted suspected militant hideouts in Pakistan. While the United States is the only country in the region known to have the ability to launch missiles from drones - which are controlled remotely - U.S. officials normally do not comment on suspected drone strikes.

Based on a CNN count, all of the 29 drone strikes this year have hit locations in North Waziristan and South Waziristan, along the 1,500-mile porous border that Pakistan shares with Afghanistan.

Several top U.S. law professors debated the legality of the attacks in a hearing before the House Subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs, the second such hearing held by the subcommittee within the past two months.

"The United States is committed to following international legal standards," said Rep. John Tierney, D-Massachusetts, the subcommittee's chairman. "Our interpretation of how these standards apply to the use of unmanned weapons systems will set an example for other nations to follow."

The four legal scholars invited to testify, however, offered sharply contrasting views of what constitutes an acceptable legal standard. The biggest controversy appeared to surround the legality of strikes conducted by CIA operatives, as opposed to the U.S. military.

"Only a combatant - a lawful combatant - may carry out the use of killing with combat drones," said Mary Ellen O'Connell, a professor from the University of Notre Dame law school.

"The CIA and civilian contractors have no right to do so. They do not wear uniforms, and they are not in the chain of command. And most importantly they are not trained in the law of armed conflict."

O'Connell also claimed that "we know from empirical data ... that the use of major military force in counterterrorism operations has been counterproductive." The U.S. government, she asserted, should only use force "when we can accomplish more good than harm, and that is not the case with the use of drones in places like Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia."

David Glazier, a professor from Loyola law school in Los Angeles, California, defended the drone attacks on the grounds that there is "no dispute that we are in an armed conflict with al Qaeda and with the Taliban." That fact "allows the United States to call upon the full scope of authority which is provided by the law of war."

Glazier said there is "nothing within the law of war that prohibits the use of drones. In fact, the ability of the drones to engage in a higher level of precision and to discriminate more carefully between military and civilian targets than has existed in the past actually suggests that they're preferable to many older weapons."

He conceded, however, that there are legitimate concerns over the CIA's use of drones. CIA personnel are "clearly not lawful combatants (and) if you are not a privileged combatant, you simply don't have immunity from domestic law for participating in hostilities."

Glazier warned that "any CIA personnel who participate in this armed conflict run the risk of being prosecuted under the national laws of the places where (the combat actions) take place." CIA personnel, he said, could be guilty of war crimes.

William Banks, the founding director of Syracuse University's Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism, said the U.S. government has engaged in targeted killings of individual combatants dating at least back to a 1916 border war with Mexican bandits.

Banks said the authors of the 1947 National Security Act, which traditionally gives the CIA much of its legal authority, likely didn't contemplate the targeted killings tied to drone attacks. But the statute, he said, was "designed as dynamic authority to be shaped by practice and by necessity."

"The intelligence laws permit the president broad discretion to utilize the nation's intelligence agencies to carry out national security operations, implicitly including targeted killing," he said. U.S. laws "supply adequate - albeit not well articulated or understood - legal authority for these drone strikes."

Peter Bergen, a fellow at the New America Foundation, could not say definitively prior to the hearing why U.S. drone attacks have increased so significantly during the Obama administration. He cited a revenge factor, however, saying that U.S. forces are upset and want retribution for the brazen bombing of a CIA base in eastern Afghanistan that killed seven Americans on December 30.

"The people who died in this suicide attack were involved in targeting people on the other side of the border," he said earlier this year.

Long War Journal, an online publication that charts data for U.S. airstrikes against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan, says the air campaign "remains the cornerstone of the effort to root out and decapitate the senior leadership of al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other allied terror groups, and to disrupt both al Qaeda's global and local operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

Such attacks, which have taken a civilian toll in many cases, have frequently caused tension between Pakistan and the United States.

–CNN's Alan Silverleib contributed to this report

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stupid why is pakistan being ruined i hope these americans get punished for their wrong deeds
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Originally posted by: ruky786

stupid why is pakistan being ruined i hope these americans get punished for their wrong deeds

What about Pakistan's wrong deeds!!?
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Frankly senseless bombings should not be allowed and many innocent lives are lost due to this.
Americans senselessly bombed the locals in Vietnam too, but still in the end they lost. Now I have met the so called "communist " North Vietnamese and find that they are just normal humans like any of us.
At the moment there is a bit of mess in Pakistan which the Pakistani Govt is trying to clean up too, but these terrorists there are bombing buildings in Pakistan and also straying into India. So the question "What do these terrorists want ?"
But then this topic is about the right and wrong of using experimental unarmed electronic machines to fight a war. Careful discretion and judgement should be applied before it is randomly used.
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And we take one step closer to Skynet taking over the world. Awesome!
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This looks like USA govt. uses these countries to experiment their new weapons.

Where is the robot that should have found the biological weapons (the reason they gave for attacking Iraq) by now?
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Originally posted by: karandel_2008

This looks like USA govt. uses these countries to experiment their new weapons.

Where is the robot that should have found the biological weapons (the reason they gave for attacking Iraq) by now?

Even Isreal was caught using biological weapons quite recently but nothing was done against them either. Apart from the religion the Isrealis and the Arabs basically are the same people and I doubt the common poeple have so much hatred, it is all the politicians who lack tolerance.
Also several army and uniformed persons from both sides behave like goondas and this has made the common people hate them.

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