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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: debayon

Haha, I think before blaming Australia, they should resolve this problem before. I thought India was a free country with freedom to go anywhere we want to. Oh well, I guess SS wants to build a new country in Mumbai.šŸ‘ŽšŸ¼ Just see, BT and Co will be the only ones carry a Mumbai passport, I tell ya.šŸ˜† Now I don't think Aussies are doing anything worng. If there is internal conflict within this country itself, how can we blame them for racism?

@ 'migrants': ROFL🤣🤣SS is the funninest s**t I've ever seen


Freedom of movement does not create any problems when all the regions are somewhat equally developed and there is a symbiotic relationship. That is why you will see free movement within the west European countries even though they are separate nations. As soon as the relation starts tending towards parasitic, problem arises. Mumbai or Maharashtra at large, has nothing much to gain from UP or Bihar except as a market and even that market is not very developed on purchasing power. Not many (if any) Marathis will go there to find work.

This problem of people migrating from one state to another, especially from UP and Bihar to Mumbai and Kolkata, is not a new one and has existed for a long time. It's not Shiv Sena's fault that nothing has been done so far to provide these people with some job in their state itself. If anyone is to be blamed then it's the politicians of those states, who held back their state from progressing, and the people who elected them.
Now we see Nitish Kumar working to improve Bihar and it is growing at a stupendous rate. If this growth is sustained and no Lalu Yadav comes in between, you'll see a steady a drop in Biharis migrating to other parts.

IMO, bashing Shiv Sena serves no purpose, cos whenever and wherever there is uncontrolled migration, such problems are bound to arise. Instead of bashing the Shiv Sena whose reaction is just a symptom, the people of every region should concentrate on the root cause, i.e. development.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think Maharashtra has witnessed waves of migrants from different communities and states over the years, none of which have formed a distinct and separate political vote-bank as the UP/Biharis have done .I agree.Migration is fine, but MASS-MIGRATION is not..But SS statements are very aggrassive...Shiv Sena/BJP are in power in BMC since 20 years. How many illegal hawkers from North or Bangladesh were removed by them. What steps have they taken. They dont need any constitutional amendement to remove illegal hawkers and pavement dewellers...Its all about money and cheap politics and Shiv Sena have no intention to get ride of any paying illegal migrant.😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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A hypothetical situation as described above, leads to an earlier hypothetical situation when Biharies n UPites were not present in Maharashtra, no it is only Mumbai.
Going by backward integration, the max presence of non-marathis is in as taxi drivers and auto drivers. Then maybe, casual labor in docks and seaports.
Given the time when there was hardly any non-marathi occupying these jobs, the job areas were free for marathis. The situation was same for the lower or middle class marathis to take up jobs so that they can earn for their families, spend on festivals and save to an extent.
They did not take up the jobs...they did not want to become drivers of taxi or autos and I do not wish to find the reasons for it. The point is, they left the void for non-marathis to come and take up the vacant jobs.
Why have they now woken up all of a sudden, to protest against non-marathis??
Okie, lets drive the non-marathis out....I can vouch that not half the vacancies will be fulfilled by marathis. The transportation system of Mumbai will come to a grinding halt.
Its easy to create a ruckus under the banner and support of SS or MNS for these disgruntled marathi youth than actually go out an look for a decent job in Mumbai.
I am sure the job situation hasnt saturated in Mumbai, with recession left behind round the corner. Let them go and find a job to support themselves, their families and make a decent saving rather than disrupt the mechanics of economy in Mumbai.
Kutte ki dum tedhi hoti hai aur rahegi...lekin tedhi dum wala kutta , wafadaar aur paaltu bhi ban sakta hai😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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SS has no right to demand any kind fo reservations. This word 'reservation' is the biggest cause of problems in India on date.
Reservation for back ward class
Reservations for women
Reservation for XYZ
It high time we make situations open on a common platform for one-n-all rather than give special privileges to so called 'down-trodden'. There is nothing like backward class now.
Make the means free for them to come up to the level to be able to compete with masses rather than make the end-result free for them.
Its high time the 'Constitution of India' is amended.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: 4teen12

A hypothetical situation as described above, leads to an earlier hypothetical situation when Biharies n UPites were not present in Maharashtra, no it is only Mumbai.

Going by backward integration, the max presence of non-marathis is in as taxi drivers and auto drivers. Then maybe, casual labor in docks and seaports.
Given the time when there was hardly any non-marathi occupying these jobs, the job areas were free for marathis. The situation was same for the lower or middle class marathis to take up jobs so that they can earn for their families, spend on festivals and save to an extent.
They did not take up the jobs...they did not want to become drivers of taxi or autos and I do not wish to find the reasons for it. The point is, they left the void for non-marathis to come and take up the vacant jobs.
Why have they now woken up all of a sudden, to protest against non-marathis??
Okie, lets drive the non-marathis out....I can vouch that not half the vacancies will be fulfilled by marathis. The transportation system of Mumbai will come to a grinding halt.
Its easy to create a ruckus under the banner and support of SS or MNS for these disgruntled marathi youth than actually go out an look for a decent job in Mumbai.
I am sure the job situation hasnt saturated in Mumbai, with recession left behind round the corner. Let them go and find a job to support themselves, their families and make a decent saving rather than disrupt the mechanics of economy in Mumbai.
Kutte ki dum tedhi hoti hai aur rahegi...lekin tedhi dum wala kutta , wafadaar aur paaltu bhi ban sakta hai😊

look it's abt dividin the economic pie. every group, caste, state, vote bloc wants the best for themselves. it's true in india n it's true in the west. the methods range fm mild protests to extreme violence... charity begins at home, i dont see any problem in a democrcy for ppl to vie for their self interst. in fact we can argue why marathis or whoevr have to pay for the bad policies of corrpt politicians lik laloo who ran their state into the ground. unlike the biharis, they dint vote for laloo. see that's the essence of capitalism, ppl actin in their own rational interest. ya fine, i dont buy into many of the methods n the culture wars but let's at least check out the eco part of the agenda first.😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro


Freedom of movement does not create any problems when all the regions are somewhat equally developed and there is a symbiotic relationship. That is why you will see free movement within the west European countries even though they are separate nations. As soon as the relation starts tending towards parasitic, problem arises. Mumbai or Maharashtra at large, has nothing much to gain from UP or Bihar except as a market and even that market is not very developed on purchasing power. Not many (if any) Marathis will go there to find work.

This problem of people migrating from one state to another, especially from UP and Bihar to Mumbai and Kolkata, is not a new one and has existed for a long time. It's not Shiv Sena's fault that nothing has been done so far to provide these people with some job in their state itself. If anyone is to be blamed then it's the politicians of those states, who held back their state from progressing, and the people who elected them.
Now we see Nitish Kumar working to improve Bihar and it is growing at a stupendous rate. If this growth is sustained and no Lalu Yadav comes in between, you'll see a steady a drop in Biharis migrating to other parts.

IMO, bashing Shiv Sena serves no purpose, cos whenever and wherever there is uncontrolled migration, such problems are bound to arise. Instead of bashing the Shiv Sena whose reaction is just a symptom, the people of every region should concentrate on the root cause, i.e. development.

OK, I agree, but the point is that I thought that Biharis or Marathis or Gujjus or whoever carry Indian passports, not Bihari, Bengali etc...Besides, the Indian government is a republic, not a federalist government, so each state does not take major decision like in this case. Who is SS to comment on who should come to Mumbai or not? Do they own Mumbai? Unka raaj chal raha hai kya? People move from one place to another for better opportunities. Of course, Mumbai has better opportunities than say Lucknow or Patna, what with all the politics going around in those places. Mumbai is very modernized and has an urban setting compared to Lucknow or Patna. Mumbai is one of the 4 metros in India, and is known as the 'Business Capital of India'. So, it's obviously that people will move there. Don't thousands of Indians move to the US every year because of better job opportunies aka paisa? This is just that on a smaller scale. If SS makes such frivoulous and crude comments to make people think that it owns the place, it can go ahead but that is wrong and not a good sign of Indian unity. Why are Indians fighting amongest themselves? Is that just?
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Posted: 15 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: debayon

[ Why are Indians fighting amongest themselves? Is that just?



Why do you think that English ruled over us and before that the Mougal rulers ruled us.....a land of billion people.......kissi state ...kissi language.......kissi religion ka naam le lo.........ladai shuru......
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice



Why do you think that English ruled over us and before that the Mougal rulers ruled us.....a land of billion people.......kissi state ...kissi language.......kissi religion ka naam le lo.........ladai shuru......

That is another thing. Back in those times, it was the custom. If we follow those rules, then blacks would still be slaves and women would never be able to be successful in getting jobs.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: debayon

That is another thing. Back in those times, it was the custom. If we follow those rules, then blacks would still be slaves and women would never be able to be successful in getting jobs.


kya matbal hai aapka šŸ˜†
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: cuckoocutter

look it's abt dividin the economic pie. every group, caste, state, vote bloc wants the best for themselves. it's true in india n it's true in the west. the methods range fm mild protests to extreme violence... charity begins at home, i dont see any problem in a democrcy for ppl to vie for their self interst. in fact we can argue why marathis or whoevr have to pay for the bad policies of corrpt politicians lik laloo who ran their state into the ground. unlike the biharis, they dint vote for laloo. see that's the essence of capitalism, ppl actin in their own rational interest. ya fine, i dont buy into many of the methods n the culture wars but let's at least check out the eco part of the agenda first.😊

The share of economic pie, %wise, which belonged to Mumbai is diminishing by the day. Other parts of the country are becoming as economicaly viable as Mumbai. Consider the Kandla port or even ICDs in various northen cities. With educational, industiral and logistics boom all over the country,other cities are not far behind in catching up wid Mumbai.
I believe in Capitalism and by my standards, let the caste,state,group of society compete on same level as any other person,within India. I discount states and consider the whole of India as ONE common platform for any indivudual to show his/her talent and excel, irrespective of favoritisms n reservations.
Marathis are free to compete with non-marathis in their own state. Let them take a loan for a taxi or an auto n make money. The MNS or SS is targetting the average common non-marathi in MUmbai, who earns not more than an average marathi earning in any other state. So let the common marathi for whom SS/MNS is worried about, help them by funding them and helping them in an organized manner in getting jobs for them, than break Airtel showrooms, damage buses on roads and pulling down shutters of shops which dont have names written in Marathi.
Who is John Galt, by the way!! may give you an answer to this.

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