Why should it make a difference?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Lali was 'bought' n brought to the Haveli for the purpose of giving a waaris to the family.... loha is Happy that Lali has concieved their waaris.... his son's son. Now my question is whether the child is Ranjvijay's child or sekhar's chils,should it make any difference to loha or Lali..?? Though Sekhar calls Lali his DharamPatni.... it's not true..... his Dharam patni is Siddeshwari and it is against Dharam that he's sleeping with another woman in spite of having a wife..... So it Lali can be with Sekhar,Why not ranvijay instead of Sekhar??
If Ranvijay is married,So is sekhar?? and anyways,Lali's with sekhar at the cost of siddeswari's honour!
Now for Lali it is her JOB to give a Waaris to the thakur family with a thakur's Son. none of ranvijay or Sekhar are her Husbands..... she loved Ganesia ,her real husband. Anyways she knows it's just her Job to give a waaris to the family..... she should be the mother as per Loha's condition.... So Why does it matter whose Son the child will be as long as it is one of Loha Singh's son's Waaris??😲
What say??????????????????
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Posted: 15 years ago
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i guess the production house wants an audience for the show.. and with the scenario you have mentioned.. i doubt there'd be much audience left to watch it its too 🤢🤢no one wants to see laali be treated like an object.. she's a human with feelings..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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It makes a difference b/c the pundit said that Sekhar will have a son and Ranvijay wil have girls
So if they did "buy" Lali to have an heir- it must be Sekhar in order to get a boy baby
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hmm..... Janki's Answer has Good logic.... Otherwise I really do not think anybody other than Sekhar-Jamuni n Kaushalya thinks Lali more than an Machine to produce a male heir for the family..... n if you actually see it with a 'different' view... I Feel for Siddheswari the POOR ill-fated Woman. who doesn't know how to Express her feelings but I'm sure she's So much pain in her heart seeing her husband with another woman...... and about Lali....yes she's ill fated too but how fair is to expect love from a man who's already married to an innocent girl?? IS LALI'S CASE VERY DIFFERENT FROm the SURROGATE MOTHER'S CASES NOWDAYS? LOTS OF POOR WOMEN Become SURROGATE MOTHERS FOR MONEY?? AND IT"s NOT WRONG TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF SOMETHING THAT's GOING TO GIVE JOY TO SOMEBODY? After all it's Money earned 'honestly'??? DO SURROGATE MOTHERS EXPECT/DEMAND Rights of a Bahu/wife of the Father of the child she's to carry????????????????????????????? And it's not the fault of the thakur family that lali was Sold/brought to Thakur's family for bearing an heir for their younger son without Her consent!!!!!And as per terms of the deal asn't Lali's family been very well Compensated for this JOB of hers????????????????? And if compared to Other girls being sold to kothas or brothels isn't lali Very well treated by the Thakur's family considering the fact that she's no DULHAN/DHARAM PATNI Of Sekhar but Loha and Sekhar give her that 'respect'???????????? Why oversee Siddeswari's agony and feel for Lali who reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally has NO RELATION With Sekhar??????????????? Just because viewers want to See Laali,the heroine of the drama happy ,even if it is at the cost of somebody other's happiness n rights?????
Edited by iamindian - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamindian

I Feel for Siddheswari the POOR ill-fated Woman. who doesn't know how to Express her feelings but I'm sure she's So much pain in her heart seeing her husband with another woman...... is she.... really?? is that why she was sending shekhar to laali in the first place.. and siddheswari's always more concerned about the fact that laali'll marry shekhar and take over her room.. her jewelery.. her clothes.. but NEVER her husband 😕😕

and about Lali....yes she's ill fated too but how fair is to expect love from a man who's already married to an innocent girl?? i guess its fair.. cuz that 'innocent' girl is very materialistic.. and doesn't love her husband.. only loves her father-in-law's moneyyyy.. plus jewelery and clothes

IS LALI'S CASE VERY DIFFERENT FROm the SURROGATE MOTHER'S CASES NOWDAYS? LOTS OF POOR WOMEN Become SURROGATE MOTHERS FOR MONEY?? AND IT"s NOT WRONG TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF SOMETHING THAT's GOING TO GIVE JOY TO SOMEBODY? After all it's Money earned 'honestly'??? DO SURROGATE MOTHERS EXPECT/DEMAND Rights of a Bahu/wife of the Father of the child she's to carry????????????????????????????? surrogate mother has a say in the matter.. she's a WILLING participant in the whole thing.. she WANTS to give birth to someone else's child for the sake of money or whatever else.. laali was sold.. she never got a chance to say what she wanted.. she wanted to be with her husband.. and im sure if laali had a choice.. she'd be with her husbanddd


And it's not the fault of the thakur family that lali was Sold/brought to Thakur's family for bearing an heir for their younger son without Her consent!!!!!
And as per terms of the deal asn't Lali's family been very well Compensated for this JOB of hers?????????????????
her parents didn't just sell her... its not as if they got up one day and thought.. hey lets sell our daughter and make some money out of it 🤢 they had 3 other sick children to tend to.. it was 1 vs. 3.. they did what they didn't want to do.. but they did what they-- i guess -- felt they had to do.. 😕😕

And if compared to Other girls being sold to kothas or brothels isn't lali Very well treated by the Thakur's family considering the fact that she's no DULHAN/DHARAM PATNI Of Sekhar but Loha and Sekhar give her that 'respect'????????????
loha gives her respect??? 😕😕 is that why he continuously threatened her to do her "job".. cuz if she doesn't do it.. loha'll bring her little sister into the haweli to do the same and how is being sold and having to have someone's baby any form of respect (especially if that's not something you want to do).. and laali DID end up in a kotha.. she just ran away from there.. with some help from her friend..

shekhar.. agreed -- he's just shown to be different.. cuz he actually cares.. and never wanted to treat laali with the disrespect.. and he never wanted to be disloyal to his wife.. but things change


Why oversee Siddeswari's agony and feel for Lali who reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally has NO RELATION With Sekhar?????????????
?? what agony are we talking about???? i've just seen her crying over her room, her jewelery, her clothes.. never her husband 😕 Just because viewers want to See Laali,the heroine of the drama happy ,even if it is at the cost of somebody other's happiness n rights????? i think siddeshwari's prettyyyy happy with her materialistic things.. if that's taken away then she might be very much heartbroken.. but she seems prettyyyy happy to me..

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamindian

Lali was 'bought' n brought to the Haveli for the purpose of giving a waaris to the family.... TRUE

loha is Happy that Lali has concieved their waaris.... his son's son. AGREED
Now my question is whether the child is Ranjvijay's child or sekhar's chils,should it make any difference to loha or Lali..?? To Loha - probably not (although i suspect deep in Loha's heart he prefers it to be Shekhar's son as he has a greater respect for Shekhar than he has for Ranvijay).
To Lali - well if you discount the fact that Lali is a human being with a heart, then yes it makes no difference. But the fact is LALI IS A HUMAN BEING, she has a HEART. She LOVES Shekhar with all of her being. Even when she had the chance to run away, she returned when she heard that Shekhar may lose his life. YES IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO LALI!
Though Sekhar calls Lali his DharamPatni.... it's not true..... his Dharam patni is Siddeshwari and it is against Dharam thathe's sleeping with another woman in spite of having a wife..... TRUE - in the eyes of society and law Siddeshwari is his wife or DharamPatni (not knowing Hindi, i'm not sure of the nuances of the word). True also that it is against Dharam (assuming it means the same as the pali Dhamma) that he's sleeping with another woman. But what makes a DharamPatni - is it the one who you legally marry, be it in front of the sacrificial fire or the magistrates? or is DharamPatni the one who is faithful and self-sacrificial for the sake of her DharamPathi (not sure whether word is correct for husband), who goes over and beyond the call of duty to take care of her DharamPathi.
Siddheshwari may be a Dharampatni in the yes of of society but in reality is she one? THAT is the question! Wasn't it Siddeshwari who had no thought of being a companion to Shekhar, preferring the companionship of her mirror and ornaments? Wasn't it Siddheshwari who refused to go with Shekhar to start a life of their own? Wasn't it Siddheswari who tried to make her husband lose the race without any thought that it may endanger his life? Is that the meaning of a Dharampatni? She may be Shekhar's wife but she is no Dharampatni!!
So it Lali can be with Sekhar,Why not ranvijay instead of Sekhar?? Again, Lali's rights as a human being as been discounted! Lali was not a party to her being bought as a dasi. Lali had gone to the haveli with the idea that she was being reunited with her husband. In her eagerness and excitement of her union, she mistook Shekhar to be her husband. Lali fell in love with her husband only to be rudely awakened to the fact that he was not the Ganeshiya of her thoughts. But Lali DID FALL IN LOVE WITH SHEKHAR, we cannot overlook this fact and to say that it does not matter whether it is Ranvijay or Shekhar means that to you Lali is a paid commoditee and hence has no rights to feelings. But please remember Lali is not a thing, she is a person like you, like me. Please put yourself in Lali's shoes and then tell me it does not make a difference.
If Ranvijay is married,So is sekhar?? and anyways,Lali's with sekhar at the cost of siddeswari's honour! I agree that there is a dilemma. Because as much as Lali has feelings, so does Siddeshwari. But i suspect Siddeshwari's feelings are far shallower and less nobler than Lali's . I also feel for Siddeshwari but am not sure whether her sadness is really to the loss of her husband, Shekhar or that the loss of her husband means loss of her material comforts. If truly she feels the loss of her husband then i do feel sorry for her because of her shallowness, she lost the interest and love ofher husband. I don't think Shekhar really loved Siddeshwari in the sense of a sacrificial love - to him she was a sweet thing, a sweet companion - all very shallow because Shekhar too lived a very shallow life prior to Lali's appearance. But unlike Siddeshwari, Shekhar was a deep character and that depth was shown when Lali appeared.
Now for Lali it is her JOB to give a Waaris to the thakur family with a thakur's Son. none of ranvijay or Sekhar are her Husbands..... she loved Ganesia ,her real husband. Anyways she knows it's just her Job to give a waaris to the family..... she should be the mother as per Loha's condition.... So Why does it matter whose Son the child will be as long as it is one of Loha Singh's son's Waaris??😲
What say?????????????????? Please read above on my say!!

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Well....about Siddeswari NOT CARING about Sekhar my view is NOT EVERYBODY in this world is Caring enough to show their love THAT DOESn'T MEAN THAT their spouse brings a 'Sautan' and that is justified..... a wrong thing CANNOT EVER Be JUSTIFIED by another wrong thing!!!!!😲 And about thinking from Lali's point of view that she loved Sekhar thinking that he was her husband..... WELL..... in practical life if that happens Don't we make OUR SOULS understand that it was wrong..? Just a mistake? It's good that Lali agreed to giving a waaris with sekhar.... THAT"S HER JOB..... but expecting Siddeswari's rights are a NO from my side as a Woman.... if I was on Lali's shoes I would've thought of this 'job' of carrying a baby for the Thakur Family to be 'MY JOB'...... as thousands of other SURROGATE MOTHERS Do Nowadays..... as long as the thakurs have paid for it she shouldn't be complaining as to why she can't get SAME SHARE OF RIGHTS,RESPECT n LOVE as Siddeswari!!
If Lali starts thinking that Sekhar might love her and live with her forever,all other Surrogate mothers should also think of taking their babies' mother's place whom they'll be carrying the baby for... would that be right???????????????????????
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Posted: 15 years ago
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1. Surrogate mothers become surrogates as a matter of business - in other words, they offer their services like they offer a product - so their psyche is different.
2. Laali did not come to the haveli with the thought of being a surrogate mother. It was thrust on her later
3. Laali loved Shekhar BEFORE she was forced to be a surrogate - don't forget - Shekhar's life was threatened in more ways than one.
I wish my life could be so simple and compartmentalised as yours appears to be. At least i think it is from your views.👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
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What u said was fine till the time Laali was not in love with anyone..but now this love came between her duty which is causing all the problems in Laali's mind😆😳..
Also I don't think Indian audience will actually accept a female lead who will just remain a daasi and will b fine with either villain or the hero😆...We r used to see female leads as pavitra devis😆..so trps will automatically go down if Lalli starts showing "I don't care" type of attitude😆...creatives of course don't want this...so to show Lalli as a pavitra naari they will make her sleep only with the hero and not the villain😆I know what I said sounds funny and illogical but does daily soaps actually hv any logic these days😆
Coming to Siddeshwari..oh I really forgot she is Shekhar's wife😆..from no angle she ever behaved like a wife..she is more concerned about her make-up kit which she might loose to Laali rather than her own hubby😆😆..so any guy in Shekhar's place will loose interest in such a wife especially when u hv someone like Laali besides u who always supported him and gave him the confidence to stand up for his own self-respect which Siddeshwari never did
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: zeezee55

1. Surrogate mothers become surrogates as a matter of business - in other words, they offer their services like they offer a product - so their psyche is different.
2. Laali did not come to the haveli with the thought of being a surrogate mother. It was thrust on her later
3. Laali loved Shekhar BEFORE she was forced to be a surrogate - don't forget - Shekhar's life was threatened in more ways than one.
I wish my life could be so simple and compartmentalised as yours appears to be. At least i think it is from your views.👏

Very well said👏..Also in case of surrogate motherhood I don't think u r actually required to sleep with the guy..u can always hv artificial insemination...so thats a complete different case where a woman's womb is given for sale just to carry the child of a couple for 9 months...
In this case its not surrogate motherhood...its a case of hiring or buying a woman from the market and making her sleep with the guy so that she can bear her child..so in this case a woman's psychology gets really affected and its natural that the woman ends up falling in love with the guy or hving some emotional attachment towards the guy with whom she is suppose to sleep

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