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Posted: 15 years ago
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I dont see this action of selling jewellery and giving money to a brother who wants to voluntarily move out simply because he shoudn't accept money from his in laws as something noble , heroic , or sacrificing at all . . In fact , I find it rather CONTROLLING .
The brother has a complete right to make his own decisions in life . If he wants to buy a flat for investment purposes it is HIs decision . If he wants to move there , that too is ultimately his decision as he is grown up . How he manages the finances for his flat is also his decision only . If he decides that he will take a loan and borrow the rest from his in laws , or his father , or pour his entire savings in it , that is entirely HIS LOOK OUT . If his father his too poor to advance him the money and he decides to take a loan from his in laws , its his decision and his burden . Why should his sisters sell their jewellery and take out their savings to give it to him?
. Each unit in the family is an individual by itself . The sisters need the jewels , their personal savings for their Life . Everytime the brother makes a decision will the sisters sell more and more assets ? THis is endless and stupid and thoroughly impractical . We r seeing a suburban middle class life in PR . Such decisions r NOT taken lightly there . . If the brother has rich in laws who have crores of rupees and the father is just a retired pensioner , from where will he compete with that kind of wealth each time ? Maybe the in laws will help their son in law to book a larger flat worth lakhs of rupees . FRom where will the father give that kind of money to his son ? All his life he tried to imbibe values in his son , now his role is over . Now it is upto the son to make a decision ..........and if he decides to branch out with his blood family , so be it . How he manages his finances etc , is entirely his personal look out , so long as he does his duties from afar , like providing food and medical facilities for his aged parents and visiting them now and then to ensure their safety , he is a PERFECTLY RESPONSIBLE SON ! '
So this time the sisters sold jewellery and competed with the inlaws to keep their brother's so called honour INTACT . Next time if he makes a similiar decision..........for instance , starting his own business and needing capital for it , what will the sisters do if they have nothing left ............sell themselves ? .
This concept itself is WRONG . What the sisters can at the most do is give their private opinion to their bro in a conversation ...........they r indeed entitled to that as they r blood siblings . Like .........Dada , you r taking a loan from your inlaws , and ur perfectly entitled to making ur own decisions but I hope u have thought about the repurcusssions of that decision ? U may lose your decision making power and self respect if they decide to act uppity at a later stage and throw it in ur face all the time . R u ok with that if it happens ? Decision is urs , just thought of warning u . .
Or .........if the brother personally asks a working sister to help him monetarily in his hour of need , thinking it over and advancing an amount within your budget . . Selling jewells and telling him to stop etc is controlling in the extreme . Archana needs to get a life of her own and actually the best person to tell her this wud be sulochana . She shud tell her ideally ..........What nonsense , you keep jewellery for ur own studies , do not stop till u get a degree and stand on ur own feet . Let him do whatever he wants he is grown up and has his own life . You looked after punni , now ur selling jewels what nonsense ! Neither r u his ayah nor is this the purpose of YOUR LIFE . Let them look after their own child and make their own decisions ! . Of course , this track is made especially keeping middle class emotions and mentality in mind , but I wanted to point out here that middle class people r thorougjhly practical too .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Even I did not understand the whole deal of selling the jewellery. What were teh sisters trying to prove here? Rasika is after all Vinod's mother-in-law. She might be an evil woman but nobody can change this fact. She has every right to help Manju and Vinod. If Archu and Manav come together again, wouldn't Archu want Manav to be like a son to Sulochana? Wouldn't that be hypocritical of her then?

And may be just may be I am thinking she did this so that her parents wont be embarassed in front of Rasika for not having so much to give to their son?? may be..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hey kool Sadhu.. I do not agree with your viewpoint. Here are my reasons-
- It would have been controlling IF Vinod wanted to borrow money from his in-laws; Archu n sis know very well how Vinod feels about his in-laws and they can understand his dilemna
-- Archana knows through Vaishali (although I dont understand why she keeps eavesdropping on her bro n his wife) that the idea to borrow the money was kinda forced on Vinod by manjusha
- Even if Vinod wanted to take money from Rasika, it makes sense for his Sisters to stop him as they are aware of Rasika's nature.. as a sibling it is out of love and protectiveness when you interfere or have to interfere in your brother/sisters so called personal decisions.. That is what makes you family..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Yess Archu and her sister selling jewels to give money to Vinod is very irresponsible.But here Manju is not giving money to Vinod to help him but she is giving money to Vinod so that in future she can always hurt by saying that my mom gave u money and this fact is know by Archu and her sisters.
Yess they is nothing wrong is Vinod taking money from is mother-in-law by here Rasika is not giving money to Vinod because she want him to give but she is giving it to him to insult Sulochana's family but she had good intention then she would not told Sulochana those words in fact she would have given money to him indirectly.
Vinod is not being responsible now days as he was before if he had like before he would never leave his house only because his wife and sister are not getting along well.why didn't he take this decision before why is taking it now? and how come he suddenly realized that he has support his wife?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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minotti and nishr
The question is how much will the sisters do each time the bro takes such a decision ? Agreed it is family . Family helps . But this is endless . One cannot run his life for him .
Archana looks after Punni ............Archana makes dabbas and gives in Manjus hand . Archana sells jewels to give him money for flat as he sudnt be embarassed by borrowing from in laws ................actually as Sulochana and Manohar shud not be embarassed in front of his in laws . How much can middle class sisters do ? They cannot run their brothers life for him..........at a certain point he has to do whatever he wants , good or bad with his own life just as Varsha did with hers when she wanted to do sumthing diffrent .
No one has answered my question here . This time they sold their jewels . Ok . He is also unhappy in his job and wants job with Satish etc . Tomorrow he may decide to chuck his job and start bbusines . Then what ? The sisters have nothing to sell , so they will sell themselves ?
This is rubbish . Everyone knows Rasika's intentions........they r not noble , they never were . Vinod is not a doodh pita bachcha he too knows . Obviously he wants a better standard of living in life and is attracted by that prospect . What Rasikas intentions r is not the question . Question is how much can the siblings do each time , is it possible and is it practical ? Archana shud sell her jewels to study as her parents r retired and cannot loan her the money . Running Vinods life cannot be her goal and her mother shud Explain this to her . This doesnt mean one loves brother less ...........It means GROWING UP .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I'm not defending that Archu and sister selling jewelery is good what we are saying is Vinod is not being responsible by taking money from Rasika he knows Manju and act how she hesiatate to give even a bit of salary to Vinod to spend on house expenditure and his sister bares Manju galli if they take money from her and how can her sister believe that Rasika is helping him.
How come Vinod suddenly realized that he has change his way of living that in recession time where he is not able to get a Job MNC?
Yes Vinod has every rights of living his life to earnest by not by insulting his sister and his parents.
Yes right selling jewelery for brother is not right but then how to realize Vinod that he is doing wrong by taking money from Rasika because he decided to move out of his money only because Manju and his sister are not getting along well and he even decided that he will not involve in any matter of Arch..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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koolSadhu,
You do have all valid points..You agree with me that Family members interfere and help each others. However your most important point is where does it stop..When n where to draw the limit?
well I will say, right here. If Vinod opens his separate personal business next.. ofcourse his family can not/should not help.
But i guess, you would have stopped much earlier.. You say-Dont support him in buying the house..
And as far as Archana/Sulochana are concerned.. they might sell their own house next to get business for Vinod .. What I am trying to say here is that it is very subjective ..Everyone has their own idea of limits depending upon their upbringing and environment.
It is something like- As a driver you always think, anyone driving slower then me is an idiot and anyone driving faster then me is a maniac..
Hope I am able to make you understand my point..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hell with him moving out but how can Manjusha and her brother get away with what they did? I want Manjusha punished and divorced before he moves out. I am loosing my faith in the god's justice.
Anyways Archana needs to get a life and that is for sure.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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no ..I don't agree with u ...in indian culture ..it is not acceptable to any family that ...their son takes any monetary help from his wife's mom!!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: minotti

koolSadhu,

You do have all valid points..You agree with me that Family members interfere and help each others. However your most important point is where does it stop..When n where to draw the limit?
well I will say, right here. If Vinod opens his separate personal business next.. ofcourse his family can not/should not help.
But i guess, you would have stopped much earlier.. You say-Dont support him in buying the house..
And as far as Archana/Sulochana are concerned.. they might sell their own house next to get business for Vinod .. What I am trying to say here is that it is very subjective ..Everyone has their own idea of limits depending upon their upbringing and environment.
It is something like- As a driver you always think, anyone driving slower then me is an idiot and anyone driving faster then me is a maniac..
Hope I am able to make you understand my point..

I do understand your point . But minotti its not just about Archana I am talking about here , it is also about Sulochana and Manohar as parents .
As a mother I wud want equal happiness for all my three children and it would be my job to teach them the optimum way to lead a life . If i find one child of mine makes emotional decisions each time and sacrifices herself left rite and center for another sibling , as a parent I wud not encourage that child to do so all the time . Sure , good that she has imbibed what family is all about and sticking together in crisis etc but this cannot be the way she can live her life when I [ here i mean sulochana] die . Coz as a parent I cannot die in peace , worrying about this child who I am sure the world will eat up raw if she continues like this .
Sulochna shud tell her daughters you have done a very foolish thing by selling ur jewlels . I cannot now make more jewels for ur marraige , They were urs to keep by law for crisis in ur own lives . Vinod is eating , has a roof over his head , has good health. Practically speaking he is NOT in a crisis .What he is making is a voluntary decision ..........the type Varsha made once , of moving out . What values I taught you , I have also taught him , and now it is upto him to remember those values and implement them . If not , let him experience his own decision and if he ever wants to return like vArshs did , we r always here .
But I made biggest mistake of my life when I stopped ur studies . All ur siblings went ahead u remained behind . U brought up his daughter , Gave his working wife dabbas in her hand now ur selling jewels and once more stopping ur education goals ............this is simply not done . Had he been hospitalised or sumthing we cud have taken this decision but HE IS NOT IN A CRISIS . What i want the most at this point is u getting that degree and standing on ur own feet like Vinod and Varsha . Otherwise I cannot die in peace .
As far honour and all go , if Rasika thinks she is damaging my honour etc , its frankly her probblem . To counteract that I cannot start jumping at this age and compete with her on a financial basis . Neither will I and Manohar sell this house to give money to Vinod nor shud u girls sell jewels . The family has to draw a fine line between crisis situations and voluntary decisions . Voluntary decisions after a certain point cannot be enforced , they simply have to be respected . Even I am feeling bad as a mother but everything cannot always be in my control . What you have to show me now before I die is that you are capable of making responsible decisions , not just emotional decisions . Just coz I and Manohar dont sell the house to give Vinod money doesn't mean We dont love him , nor will it mean u love him lesss if u do not sell ur jewels .At this point when ur own life has gone terribly out of control and haywire , these jewels and ur education r the only cruxes u can depend upon . Vinod is fine , he can take care of himself . Honour , emotions r affordable on a full stomach ..........not when ur life is like this . So show me sum responsible decisions and gimme peace .
This shud be Sulochana as a mother in this situation is my frank opinion . Coz the subjectivity u talk of is not applicable in Archana's situation anymore . Her own life has gone haywire . She HAS to take objective decisions only now .And what better person to tell her this than her own mother .

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