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instantkhichdi

@instantkhichdi

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Posted: 15 years ago

Two Rich Cultures of India...are on the verge of getting extinct in near future...Their is a need for giving "political representation" to them, so that their culture can flourish...as it is high time!
I am talking about the people who migrated from Multan and Sindh during partition..
Govt. of India is ignoring them....their is no mention of them even in the Republic Day Parade.
The Saraiki(Multani) and Jhangi culture of South Punjab(Now in Pakistan) are on much greater danger than Sindhi Culture..
The people of these communities , out of shyness have started including them in Punjabis(North Punjabis)..but in reallity, although their language is similar to sindhi and punjabi, they have a different culture, and their language has their own identity..This rich south punjabi culture is dying out in both india and pakistan (whereas sindhi culture and language is only in danger in india).

What can be the solution of this...their case is different from the others demanding for statehood.
They haven't demanded for state-status of the majority areas of their communities ever...
So, shouldn't govt of India take some steps to protect their culture?

It should at least
1) Make teaching of their language and culture compulsory at primary level in majority areas of these communities.
2) Include them in Republic Day celebrations

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Mithu Hiranand

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Posted: 15 years ago

What can a currupt government do about it? Nothing. It is the community in itself that can stand together and demonstrate their existence.

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200467

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: instantkhichdi

The Saraiki(Multani) and Jhangi culture of South Punjab(Now in Pakistan) are on much greater danger than Sindhi Culture..
The people of these communities , out of shyness have started including them in Punjabis(North Punjabis)..but in reallity, although their language is similar to sindhi and punjabi, they have a different culture, and their language has their own identity..This rich south punjabi culture is dying out in both india and pakistan (whereas sindhi culture and language is only in danger in india).

The jhangis that I came across while growing up in Delhi were far from shy. I have a very good impression of the multanies though. I love those folks. Unfortunately, can't say the same for the jhangies.

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Gunjan

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Posted: 15 years ago

sorry no idea, I am very poor in knowing\figuring castes and religions.

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Summer3

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Posted: 15 years ago

We have several Sindis in Singapore and they are pretty good businessmen. They have their own community and temple too. I must say that it is a pretty close group. Unlike the Punjabis they do not wear a turban, but still they pray to Wahe Guru as well plus Krishna and all the rest of the Gods.

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200467

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Summer3
We have several Sindis in Singapore and they are pretty good businessmen. They have their own community and temple too. I must say that it is a pretty close group. Unlike the Punjabis they do not wear a turban, but still they pray to Wahe Guru as well plus Krishna and all the rest of the Gods.

Not all punjabie wear turbans. I think you are talking about Sikhs here.

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Summer3

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3
Not all punjabie wear turbans. I think you are talking about Sikhs here.

Ah forgive my ignorance. u are right, anyone from Punjab is a Punjabi and they may be of any religion.

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sudesh kumar

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: instantkhichdi
Two Rich Cultures of India...are on the verge of getting extinct in near future...Their is a need for giving "political representation" to them, so that their culture can flourish...as it is high time!
I am talking about the people who migrated from Multan and Sindh during partition..
Govt. of India is ignoring them....their is no mention of them even in the Republic Day Parade.
The Saraiki(Multani) and Jhangi culture of South Punjab(Now in Pakistan) are on much greater danger than Sindhi Culture..
The people of these communities , out of shyness have started including them in Punjabis(North Punjabis)..but in reallity, although their language is similar to sindhi and punjabi, they have a different culture, and their language has their own identity..This rich south punjabi culture is dying out in both india and pakistan (whereas sindhi culture and language is only in danger in india).

What can be the solution of this...their case is different from the others demanding for statehood.
They haven't demanded for state-status of the majority areas of their communities ever...
So, shouldn't govt of India take some steps to protect their culture?

It should at least
1) Make teaching of their language and culture compulsory at primary level in majority areas of these communities.
2) Include them in Republic Day celebrations

see punjabis know how to survive - soon Canada would be referred to as the land of the five rivers....😆

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instantkhichdi

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Posted: 15 years ago

The Sindhis are normally hindus, muslims and sikhs.

In India, sindhis are generally hindus ie 96%. remaining ones are sikhs and muslims.

In pak, Sindhi hindus consist 6% of total population of sindh, and Umerkot (in sindh) has 51% hindus, the only place in pak where hindus are in majority.

The reason for hindus still having around 2.28 million population in sindh is probabily because sindhi hindus and muslims had good relationships...It was not odd for a hindu visiting dargah and a muslim visiting a jhulelal temple.
Whatever wrong happened, that 1947 things, was because of inflow of mujahirs in pak....still sindhi muslims protected hindus from voilence due to mujahirs (source: wikipedia--see sindh part in wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India )

Jhulelal is community god of sindhi hindus, but sindhi muslims believe in him as a sufi saint even today...
(Refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhulelal)

Hindu sindhis , along with following hinduism like others, worship Jhulelal, and also Guru Nanak and Sheikh Farid (or Baba Farid...a muslim sufi saint.)

These common beliefs made sindhis different from other communities.

Sindhis have a unique ability of accepting any culture...Sindhi hindu married women have no ritual of wearing mangalsutra and applying sindur.....but see the situation today.....they have accepted this ritual happily, from other communities...but today this same ability might be one cause of diminishing of their original culture too..

Post partition, Punjabis and bengalis were given help...but sindhis hardly got any help from the government...Sindhis in ulhasnagar and in various other countries are millionaires...but they achieved this level starting from absolute zero..they were allowed to take only Rs 10 with them during partition.
But many were unable to even get basic needs--roti, kapda aur makaan....
(wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulhasnagar)

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instantkhichdi

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Posted: 15 years ago

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The Saraiki people, are much different from Punjabis....Although they are also referred as South Punjabis.

The encyclopedia wikipedia says:
"Historically, the speakers of dialects now recognized as belonging to Saraiki did not hold the belief that they constituted a cohesive language community or a distinct ethnicity. This consciousness developed among local elites in the years after the founding of Pakistan in 1947 in response to the social and political upheaval caused by the mass immigration of Urdu speaking refugee Muslims from India."

This community is a minority community, their population in india being only 70,000 according to last census (see part "No of speakers of saraiki language" part of wikipedia article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraiki_language)

It is divided in dialects, so it itself cannot be considered as a dialect.

The language spoken by Hindus of Afghanistan is also a dialect of Saraiki..though it resembles punjabi and Pashto.

Its case can be considered similar to harayanvi...harayanvi was considered a dialect of punjabi, but it is known as a saperate language after saperation of harayana from punjab and its claiming by locals..

Similarly, punjabi is not considered as a dialect of hindi! Even after being so similar to it!

Same is the case with saraiki...

Dispersion of this community after partition and suppressing it in pak in post independence period have made the rich saraiki culture on the verge of getting extinct.

The famous song "Damadum mast Qalander"...the one being the unifying bond among sindhi hindus and muslims is actually in Saraiki language!

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