The Real Villain in Harry Potter?

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Who do you guys think is the real villain in Harry Potter....is it really Voldemort or someone else? Without all the support Voldemort got, do you think he could have become that strong? It seemed like in a lot of cases, Voldemort depended on his Death Eater buddies to do a lot of dirty work for him...esp the part when Wormtail/Pettigrew had to take care of him in GoF in order for him to become well again, and how Wormtail had to sacrifice his own hand to bring Voldemort back alive.
So.....is Voldemort the real villain, his Death Eaters, or......someone else people would gasp and vehemently deny if you mentioned (aka...one of the "good" characters)?😉

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Posted: 15 years ago
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JK Rowling for telling a little boy that Albus Dumbledore is gay.
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Originally posted by: gengarjetty2

JK Rowling for telling a little boy that Albus Dumbledore is gay.

Lol😆
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If anyone has to be the villain it is Harry Potter. As Doctor Nekhorvich says in Mission Impossible II - Every search for a hero must begin with something which every hero requires, a villain.

Why is someone a hero? What sort of a hero is without a villain? It is only in the heroism of defeating a villain that an otherwise ordinary person becomes a villain.

Voldemort maybe evil, but he is not evil for the sake of being good. There is no good and evil, only power. Power is what Voldemort lusts. But Harry, is he a hero because he wants to be one. Is he good for the sake of being good. No Harry is a compelled hero forced to be good to stand up to the lofty expectations of savior set upon him. And Harry's heroics are a result of the common person's romantic hope of the ultimate battle of good over evil, where good prevails.

So from a certain point of view Harry is the real villain here. For evil exists not for evil, but so that the people may have the hope of a hero. A villain rises to fulfill a selfish quest of the battle for good over evil. Who is the real villain, the one who lusts power, or the one who vanquishers them in a lust for an even greater power. Think about it.
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

If anyone has to be the villain it is Harry Potter. As Doctor Nekhorvich says in Mission Impossible II - Every search for a hero must begin with something which every hero requires, a villain.

Why is someone a hero? What sort of a hero is without a villain? It is only in the heroism of defeating a villain that an otherwise ordinary person becomes a villain.

Voldemort maybe evil, but he is not evil for the sake of being good. There is no good and evil, only power. Power is what Voldemort lusts. But Harry, is he a hero because he wants to be one. Is he good for the sake of being good. No Harry is a compelled hero forced to be good to stand up to the lofty expectations of savior set upon him. And Harry's heroics are a result of the common person's romantic hope of the ultimate battle of good over evil, where good prevails.

So from a certain point of view Harry is the real villain here. For evil exists not for evil, but so that the people may have the hope of a hero. A villain rises to fulfill a selfish quest of the battle for good over evil. Who is the real villain, the one who lusts power, or the one who vanquishers them in a lust for an even greater power. Think about it.

Wow, very well thought out answer.👏 I don't agree with everything you wrote, but I love how you presented your view. It really makes us think.👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
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You don't seem to think much about how the power will be used and the methods used in getting the desired power eh?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

If anyone has to be the villain it is Harry Potter. As Doctor Nekhorvich says in Mission Impossible II - Every search for a hero must begin with something which every hero requires, a villain.

Why is someone a hero? What sort of a hero is without a villain? It is only in the heroism of defeating a villain that an otherwise ordinary person becomes a villain.

Voldemort maybe evil, but he is not evil for the sake of being good. There is no good and evil, only power. Power is what Voldemort lusts. But Harry, is he a hero because he wants to be one. Is he good for the sake of being good. No Harry is a compelled hero forced to be good to stand up to the lofty expectations of savior set upon him. And Harry's heroics are a result of the common person's romantic hope of the ultimate battle of good over evil, where good prevails.

So from a certain point of view Harry is the real villain here. For evil exists not for evil, but so that the people may have the hope of a hero. A villain rises to fulfill a selfish quest of the battle for good over evil. Who is the real villain, the one who lusts power, or the one who vanquishers them in a lust for an even greater power. Think about it.



It's a deja vu for me😆 I can so identify this one with one other "novel" 😛

Darn it, RTH! I must start reading HP one of these days. There are so many of them to read though😕



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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: clodpolish

You don't seem to think much about how the power will be used and the methods used in getting the desired power eh?



I don't. I advocate for the dark side. 😊
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Originally posted by: Gauri_3



It's a deja vu for me😆 I can so identify this one with one other "novel" 😛

Darn it, RTH! I must start reading HP one of these days. There are so many of them to read though😕



Harry Potter is a breeze to read. When I started reading GOF had already been published. I saw GOF and was like who would read such a big book. I watched the movie and got hooked and have been an addict since.

Mind you, no one sparkles, all ceaselessly talks about their emotions though.

My main tiff with Harry is that he did not die in the end. A lot of my fellow fans from our midnight group felt that Harry's death would have made him a real martyr for the cause. It seems like JK Rowling copped out of his death to keep the larger groupie fandom.

Although the best twist would be Voldemort saying 'I am your father Harry'.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



Harry Potter is a breeze to read. When I started reading GOF had already been published. I saw GOF and was like who would read such a big book. I watched the movie and got hooked and have been an addict since.

Mind you, no one sparkles, all ceaselessly talks about their emotions though.

My main tiff with Harry is that he did not die in the end. A lot of my fellow fans from our midnight group felt that Harry's death would have made him a real martyr for the cause. It seems like JK Rowling copped out of his death to keep the larger groupie fandom.

Although the best twist would be Voldemort saying 'I am your father Harry'.




I have seen all HP movies so far. This is why I am procrastinating the reading here. I have a failry decent idea about how most books will end.

Okay, just for debate's sake - why is it so hard to believe that some folks are inherently good. That they can't help but stand up and support the right cause. That they don't have any ulterior motives behind them supporting the just cause. And that it is so not their fault if commoners start seeing them as their leader.

Now, I think this is how Rolling set up Harry's character. He is not lusting for power or fame. He is destined to get it. Agreed there will be no heroes if the villains go away. But that should not take the credit away from the heroes - heroes who choose the right over wrong despite temptations and what not. Why to run down the heroes then?

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