15 jul '09: big things, little things

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d'you know what happens if you lie down on a dog? the dog yelps and gets up and goes away. *well, most dogs do. 😆 it's iff-y with my aunt's poms*

d'you know what happens if you lie down on a cat? the cat scratches you upon which you yelp, get up and go away!

yup. is a fact. which i learnt the hard way last night. all this just to tell you that i'm writing this on a sore butt... 😆 and 'specially since it's so late, i'm gonna just keep it to some really big things that i noticed.

* little thing: man, was i crushed when they started the episode with prem walking on the road. *sigh* i had kinda hoped... well, i guess that poor prem had not yet recovered from all those wounds that had been inflicted on him by his heer. *sigh*

* hc thing: he really makes for a beautiful, dramatic, anguished lover doesn't he? 😆 seriously... but i wonder? which flyovers were those? i'm sooo curious.

* prem's brothers thing: y'know -- it was curious how both prem's brothers ultimately reacted in the same way, no? i was taken aback. 'cause i thought harman and preet are very different in nature, and in such different circumstances -- i'd have expected different reactions to their finding out that heer babhi is not coming back with them. but... they didn't!

i was glad when harman came running to miserable-prem. 'cause he really frightened me when he leaned over the railing of the highway. no seriously. heer had made him so miserable, i thought for a moment... but prem wouldn't do that no? 'cause if his heart stops beating, then so would heer's?

and 'cause i thought it was what ram's bharat would do -- search out and help ram.

but then, my jaw dropped at the abrupt shift -- ''if you don't get bhabhi back, then you will lose everything -- your family, your brothers, your old life.''
and actually, the same thing happened later with preet. preet was mad at prem? for not bringing his bhabhi back? ''and if he didn't bring her, then what right do i have to visit?'' huh??! preet??!!! what about the times that you and heer stressed over hip-hop??! did that mean nothing? when she stood up for you as a good hotel manager when prem was ... apparently dead? where did that go??!

and i wanted to ask them: so your relationship with your beloved ''heer bhabhi'' starts and ends with prem bhaiyya? that's it?? there's nothing more to it beyond that? so if he can't persuade her, you won't even try? forget trying to persuade, you won't even go meet her??! y'know? for a family of such lovely brothers, with such displays of affection earlier -- this disappointed me.

either they really only treated their relationship with heer as connected to prem. or - worse! - they chose not to visit heer to punish pb!

but interesting questions got raised here: harman has met heer and chahat -- did he ever tell prem 'bout that meeting? did he tell preet??? does preet then know about chahat? will they ever tell anything to each other??!

* little thing: meher's switch from silly preet-wife to insanely-happy heer-sister was very sweet. she was perfect in how she was desparate to know all about heer didi. the way her words practically tumbled over each other was nice.

* heer-chahat thing: wasn't it funny how this episode had chahat being more of a mommy to heer than the other way around? when heer comes into her, after her miserable session of destroying prem, miserable and torn inside herself, chahat reminds her that heer never feels bad when she hugs chahat.

and later, when heer awakened to the sound of the plane passing by, it is the child who tells mom that ''nothing more will trouble you, that's the last plane''.

besides the switched mother-daughter relationship, those scenes said that
  • heer has been miserable before like this --
  • heer has been watching out for passing-by planes like this --
those lines by her daughter sounded like they've been often repeated in the past, no? so chahat has seen her mother be sad. and yet, chahat herself is a sunny little thing -- heer must've been a heck of a great mom to chahat in all these years.

* little thing: heer has just shattered her prem's heart. and she still hasn't cried a tear. but the first thing she does is to go check on her little daughter. to make sure that she is safe. to maybe tell her in her mind that she will always keep her daughter safe. and it should've been enough to calm heer, to convince her that she had done the right thing.

but what i loved was that after she tucks chahat in, she has to turn away and struggle against the tears... that come with the memory of what she did to prem? *sigh* poor miserable heer...

* little thing: hmm... chahat is a light sleeper.

she can sense her mother cry and tell her that a hug will solve the probelm? or even after that, when heer awakens at the sound of a plane flying overhead; she is aware enough to tell her that it's the last plane out.

did she hear her parents fight outside her room? even though, they weren't loud -- just fierce and intense. but... did little chahat hear?

* prem-lj thing: an interesting juxtaposition of mother-daughter was father-son!

d'you know? this is the first time that we've had such an interaction between prem and his bauji? every other important prem-bauji moment has always been riddled with lj dumping responsibility -- of something or the other! -- on prem! but this time? oh, this moment was just a father comforting his son -- and it was sooo lovely. 😍

from the start: where prem comes in accusing his father of conning him to go to india. and then prem heartbreakingly telling his father that he couldn't get what he truly wanted. and then prem doing lj-style bhashan on lj!! (oh sweet revenge! -- that was almost the best part! 😆) but i must say that prem throwing himself into his father's arms to sob out his heartache was .. heart-breaking.

prem has never cried with his own heartache to his bauji before. he was like a little boy when he said ''your son has returned, but it doesn't feel like he has! i met heer in india, bauji. i met heer in india.'' and left his essence there too 'cause he wasn't able to bring her back for his bauji.

admittedly the actual text of that dialogue was twisted: when prem kept going on about ''mitti'', i was going ''huh??'' 'cause i kept thinking that the mitti in which lj's blood runs was sitting right in front of him, sobbing his heart out. either which way you look at it: as flesh of lj's flesh, blood of lj's blood. or as prem who is one with heer. either which way, prem puttar, you are your bauji's mitti in which his khoon runs. so please stop saying that all lj wants is heer, please. he wants you too, prem. he loves you. so please stop crying... please? 😔

and of course, most probably the sweetest touch: ''we have a little daugther -- you are a grandfather! but heer didn't even tell me our daughter's name, bauji. '' oh prem... stop wrecking my heart, wouldja?? you'll find out soon, boy. just ... w&w like the rest of us! 😆

* thank you creatives thing
: for finally making lj prem's father -- truly. i think from now on, i'll call him pbauji. and i really don't care how ungainly that sounds! i don't! 😛

* last thing: *sigh* so gaali-maa has got vitchface's picture up. her urn of ashes around. so nothing has moved on anyone knowing anything about vitchface's evil and stooopidity.

*sigh* 'kay, then i don't understand s'thing: why does everyone in jzoo hate gaali-maa? why does pbauji hate gaali-maa? why won't any of her sons talk to her? why doesn't prem give her the time of day? if vitchface is still a beloved-sister-and-daughter, why does jzoo hate gaali-ma?

*sigh* i'm w&w. i'm kinda resigned to a few things, i think. i'm resigned to gaali-maa acting like dirtchachi and almost fooling prem into getting engaged. i'm resigned to not seeing a proper boss-prem (he who will yank heer by her hand, give her a few good shakes and say ''ho gayi tumhari bakwas???''😆) i'm waiting to see chahat establish contact with hotel-owner-papa-ji.

and through all the resignation and the waiting, i will happily carry the horror on gaali-maa's face as she watches prem crying his heart out in his father's arms and realises that he met heer, he came back, all in the space of two days -- and ''calm prem'' has gone completely to pieces. do your worst, gaali-maa/kans! prem-heer-are-one. were, are, and always will be!

highlight of the episode: prem finally becoming his father's little boy and crying in his bauji's arms. baaaawwwwlll! prem, don't cry!! please! please don't weep out all the sorrow of the last six years of seperation from heer, all the effort of shutting yourself off from your family, all the hurt that you had to absorb from heer's cutting off what you think are links to prem-heer-are-one -- don't weep it all out in one shot, prem. it may you do good, but it's wrecking havoc on my non-existant heart, prem! please don't!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i'm here so?? hows ur butt estee???? better😆
* hc thing: he really makes for a beautiful, dramatic, anguished lover doesn't he? 😆 he does.....doesn't he😍wasn't he looking like a greek god walking down those deserted flyovers😍😍
well i don't think chahat has heard anything of the convo betwee her parents although she's a light sleeper( umm......light sleeper" thinking")...do u think will it pose any problem in future??i mean wen premeer will be together.....going all err...nosey nosey things???...better make her a deep sleeper by then creatives coz we all are waiting for a much better phingoli than last time😳
and yes.....my heart cried at prem's breakdown infront of lalu...its strange naa.....prem for the first time decided to share his pain with lalu instead of g3.......hawaaon ka rukh badal raha hai estee........
well coming to heer's behaviour all this while........raksha has given us some positive hopes.........wat if heer knows g3's truth.......and she has decided to give all hers and chahaty's rights over prem coz she knows that the moment she returns to prem's life....g2 will never let them stay in peace.......i don't know....but this thought gives a lot of relief.........heer is still the same heer.......who can do anything for a smile on prem's face...cz if prem comes to know of true intentions of g3...he'll be more heartbroken than he is now
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i'm here!
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I don't know whether I wait longer for the show or the bt lt !!!!!! may be I should start doing a countdown for the bt lt ???? *wonders if it might make the w&w for the bt lt easier than the w&w for the show*

Gotta be quick today as I need to get a few things done before tonight's show and don't want to do it after the show 'cos don't want to spoil things for you by talking about what happened next! Already lost the whole thing once while posting to gotta retype it now!

HC looks so gorgeous when he is all sad and lonely, doesn't he? Breaks my heart every time *sigh*. Oh Prem!!! Me too was worried when Prem was leaning over the Bombay flyover (supposedly in Delhi) looking so lost and defeated.

About the brothers the less said the better. I am so mad at them!!! I was mad at Preet the other day as well when at the airport after Prem's accident he dumped all responsibility for things being the way they for the last 6 years on Prem! He did the same today! Grrrr! What did you do Preet!?? Did you do anything? Some bharat and lakshman they are turning out to be! And I was so hopeful!

About the Heer - chahat thing, it was the one thing that highlighted the difference between what Prem's life has been as compared to heer's for the last 6 years! Despite all the hardships and difficulties that heer must have gone through in the last 6 years first to just survive and then to raise a child alone, at the end of the day she had chahat to hug and hold on to which made everything worthwhile. In contrast Prem's life has been completely barren. He may not have had to struggle for survival but emotionally he has had the tougher deal, I think. Poor Prem!

I am also curious about what if anything did chahat hear? What did she ask her mother about the hotel ownerji who turned up so suddenly at their house and knew the apniwali kahani? What did heer tell her?

I loved the scene between lj and Prem. It was so beautiful and so very heartbreaking. I am glad that for once prem could cry in his father's lap without hearing any bhashans or demands from him. Aw prem, I can't see him like this! He is breaking my heart! I wanted to weep when he said he didn't even know his daughter's name! When prem talks about his mitti to lj, I thought he was talking about chahat (being lj's blood and all) not heer.

Gementor! Arghhh! Don't want to talk about her at all! Don't even want to call her gaalima 'cos she doesn't deserve any association with ma!! Can't stand the sight oh her!!! Was I glad or what when prem ignored her and just walked past her! Just you wait gementor! You can keep plotting and scheming but you're gonna lose bigtime!!! You can try all you might but prem-heer-are-one will prevail!

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Hiya E!! 🤗
First off - why in the world would you go sit on a cat? 😲 I would be hesitant to pet one (although I have done so in the past...what can I say...I was young 😆) let alone point my butt in its direction. You were bound to get scratched. **resigned sigh**
Now dogs...I love dogs...and am not entirely convinced that poms are dogs...but...😆
Ok since we got that out of the way...
I don't get Harman or Preet. Why is it so easy for them to blame their PB? I was not so mad at Harman as I was at Preet...well, not mad really, just disappointed. And in the end, the person Preet is supposedly standing up for...he didn't even go meet her? So, just because it it PB's fault, they are going to wait till he fixes it, so everything is nice and happy, before he wants to meet Heer? Is it me or does that not sound...er...immature? Harman never told Preet about Chahat, I think. Remember the kasam Heer gave him? And indirectly he did tell Prem that he met Heer, by giving him the kada prasad.
Oh..so I was not the only one who thought so! Yep, I agree, Heer has been sad in the past and Chahat has seen her mumma like this and knows what to do and tell her to make her feel better. What a sweetheart!! You know, just for this thing alone, I feel sorrier for Prem than I do for Heer. They both have suffered, but Heer has unconditional love from their daughter, which goes a along way in soothing raw wounds. I loved how dejected and defeated Heer looked when she came back to Chahat's room. She had just ripped apart the man she loved above all else...there was bound to be reaction. I felt so sad for Heer.
But the next segment, Prem...he made me cry. That bit with Lalit was so so heartbreaking!! You know I agree with you..Chahat does cry like her papa...making me cry along with her. It was a silly thing, a nightmare, but I thought I never want to see that kid cry! But back to Prem..that was really well done! I was zoning in and out..especially with all the talk of mitti... My heart broke when he told his father he did not know his daughter's name! I think more than her existence being hidden, that undid him completely.
With gaali-ma...I want to know too!! It has to be something big that has happened to make everyone, including Prem react this way...!! I wonder what!! I loved the brush off Prem gave her and went straight to his father!! A sight for the sore eyes it was, seeing gaali-ma's fat face...stunned to find out that one meeting with Heer and her son goes to pieces!! Take that...you...*&*(&)*)! *sigh* Never thought I'd say that about her!
Oh, I wouldn't give up hope about boss Prem just yet. I mean, wait till he bonds with Chahat...and I am sure we will see that side of him...for her. I am hopefully hopeful 😉
Loved the BT, LT...although kinda short no? 😛
Take care and see you soon!

Edited by sshekar - 16 years ago
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oops mine is on pg 2....soowwiii

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Hey Estee...loved your post as usual.

The only explanation I can come up with regarding the whole Jzoo hating Gaya3...is this:

Prem was the rock of the family, the "glue" if you like, who kept the family together. As soon as half his soul (Heer) was taken away from him (by Gaya3), he broke down completely. Thus the relationships within Jzoo that were always held together by Prem broke apart. The relationship between Lallu and his 3 sons, the relationships between the 3 brothers...and finally, the relationships with Gayatri. To an extent, relationships with Gayatri were broken off more significantly, because of what happened with Veera. I guess subconciously every Jzoo member remembers when Gayatri forced Prem to throw Heer out of the house. She was the initiator that broke Premeer up. So they all attribute everything that happened with Prem and Heer to Gayatri.👎🏼

Also, going back to the Prem being the pillar of Jzoo thing...Prem has always been the perfect son, the perfect brother, the perfect uncle, and of course, the perfect lover. 😍 He is the centre of every relationship in Jzoo. And he has always been perfect. So what happens when this perfect being becomes flawed? Every relationship breaks up, because the foundation of every relationship is now flawed. Prem's infidelity tainted his character, for Jzoo and Heer. So he, the perfect being, the core of each Jzoo relationship breaks down. And consequently, so does each relationship.🤔

Alternatively, (but not so alternative as it is still to do with Prem 😆) Premeer have physically separated. As they are one...it is as if half of Prem's soul has been ripped from him. (gayatri, ash 😡). His soul isnt with him, his soul is Heer. So although physically, Prem is there....really he isnt. Really, he is with Heer. So Prem, for the Jzoo members, isnt really "Prem." Thus he's not the perfect son, hes not the perfect brother anymore. He's not the "glue" that holds the family together.

In short: Without Heer, Prem is not Prem. Without Prem, each Jzoo relationship breaks down. Prem was the foundation that held each Jzoo relationship together. No Prem = No relationship within Jzoo.


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thanks estee, but i must say this was a very shot bt.,lt.,. sorry, but iam used to and i love to read longs ones. its really hurting to see prem in this defeated mode. even i feel that g3 will convince prem for the marriage and its this marriage thats going to end up the zjoo in india, heer would be the wedding planner and again a mandap drama, either heer or chahat being insulted and that would be the only thing that would push prems button and probably a 18th june prem would return to claim his heer and their chahat.

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great post as usual! i don't comment often, but a question arose in my mind. did you (or anyone) catch when gayatri said i won't let the same mistake occur that happened six years ago? what does she mean by that? wasn't it that six years ago, heer left and gayatri should have been happy? then what mistake is she talking about? could it be that gayatri tried to get prem remarried back then (maybe to ash) but the whole family objected and at that time heer also found out about something, which is why she is such a stone right now? just a question and a thought.😊
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prem even told harman that after what all she said to me today , i cant go back to her life...so harman shud have understood that prem tried talking to her but heer is the one who is not wanting patch up...dodo...
i dont think harman told anyone abt his meeting with heer n chahat....

yeah poor miserable heer...
only heer knows what she went through while saying all that to prem and hurting him like that....she told chahat that she saw the truth and the truth is worse than a nightmare...did she refer to prem's miserable state there...his loneliness and misery due to the absence of heer and chahat in his life...I'm sure she noticed that in his eyes....I believe she has a purpose behind hurting him like that....may be like raksha said in her post...she might know the truth of gaali ma or may be something like that....
even i want to know if chahat overheard them...looking at the precap i dont think soo.she shud have !
only this time, future mein she better be in deep sleep😉

lj -prem scene was worth watching...I loved DQ 's acting in that scene....loved the way the tears rolled down his face ...HC as usual outstanding portrayed the misrey of prem😭😭😭 agree with what you said about HC....his voice😭😭.....for whatever reason heer is doing this, she is going to regret hurting him , staying away from for 6 yrs , keeping chahat away from him WHEN Ash's truth comes out...that day we will see Heer cry....not today...😭
.by mitti in which your blood runs , i felt prem was refering to chahat...he said I couldnt brong you your mitti , that mitti in which your blood flows, your son is back but his hissa(other part) is till there (in india)....So I felt it was chahat that was being refered to ....coz she is prem's who has LJ's blood...😕
I still am not sure if jzoo hates gaali ma ...coz meher doesn seem to hate her...she offered to go with her for lj's treatment....the boys , i think they are just keeping to themselves coz they dont approve of whats going on around them...like preet said in the epi today, fake happiness n atttend parties....preet seems to be more miserable without heer than meher no?

what i hate hearing is gaali maa keeping on saying i have lost my prem...aa psycho !!

highlight of the epi -that was the only beautiful scene in the epi....i remember reading in one of ur posts that ''Prem juneja when u cry, the whole world cries with u , but when u smile , u smile alone coz the world has fainted at ur feet'' smthg like that ...i loved it n its encrypted in my brain....
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Originally posted by: riks1

i'm here so?? hows ur butt estee???? better😆

stop laughing so much at me. *ouch!* it's really weird how a cat scratch can make things sore! 😆


wasn't he looking like a greek god walking down those deserted flyovers😍😍

🤣 considering that all the greek gods i've seen wear ... bedsheets draped over their waist and a shoulder -- no, vandana, he didn't! and most greek gods are either clean shaven -- or bearded. this half-there,half-not situation will not do for admittance into mount zeus.

no matter though... he looked quite like a gq-model to me. no? although *reading my own description of a greek god's outfit* i don't think i would mind seeing prem-in-greek-god mode....
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do u think will it pose any problem in future??i mean wen premeer will be together.....going all err...nosey nosey things???...

🤣 vandana!!!!! i was soooo far away from this angle! trust you to remind me of the things in life that matter!!!

prem for the first time decided to share his pain with lalu instead of g3.......hawaaon ka rukh badal raha hai estee........

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well coming to heer's behaviour all this while........raksha has given us some positive hopes.........wat if heer knows g3's truth.......and she has decided to give all hers and chahaty's rights over prem coz she knows that the moment she returns to prem's life....g2 will never let them stay in peace.......i don't know....

y'know? i wondered what made heer act like that in the 07/14/09 bt,lt too.

me, i think that prem knows about gaali-maa -- but looking at how afraid heer was with harman. or just how hard she was pushing prem away, i thought there was something more threatening than just ... ''letting them stay in peace'' that gaali-maa has done to heer? no? 😕

i dunno either. but i think there is something horrible there that is really scaring heer about the safety of the love(s) of her life.

i dunno. one thing i wonder though -- does gaali-maa know that heer was pregnant, or that heer probably has a child now?

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