Maryada Purushottam confronts the Dhobi!!! - Page 2

JC: I agree to your post to most parts but to one exception.......But first let me tell you, even being non- Hindu, you posted this very beautifully.

Now, coming to point, it was first Ram Avatar and Then Krishna Avatar

Here are details of it:

1. Matsya, the fish, appeared in the Satya Yuga.
2. Kurma, the tortoise, appeared in the Satya Yuga.
3. Varaha, the boar, appeared in the Satya Yuga.
4. Narasimha, the half-man/half-lion appeared in the Satya Yuga.
5. Vamana, the dwarf, appeared in the Treta Yuga.
6. Parashurama, Rama with the axe, appeared in the Treta Yuga.
7. Rama, Ramachandra, the prince and king of Ayodhya, appeared in the Treta Yuga.
8. Krishna (meaning "dark coloured" or "all attractive") appeared in the Dwapara Yuga along with his brother Balarama. According to the Bhagavata Purana
9. Balarama, Balarama is said to have appeared in the Dwapara Yuga (along with Krishna) as a descent of Ananta Shesha. He is also counted as an avatar of Vishnu by the majority of Vaishnava movements and is included as the ninth Dasavatara in some versions of the list which contain no reference to Buddha.
10. Kalki ("Eternity", or "time", or "The Destroyer of foulness"), who is expected to appear at the end of Kali Yuga, the time period in which we currently are in........


Last, for the only part, I was difference of opinion is, Sita is wife, I agree, but also, she is citizen (Praja) of the Ayodhya....If Ram as King, not husband is taking decision, then why injustice to Sita, the citizen, not the wife???

Asking Sita to prove her purity is like asking Sun, if it has light!!!.......If one tries to spit at Sun, it does not fall on the sun, but the person himself........so, if praja are committing the sin of questioning Sita maiyaa, Ram the king should have done justice to Sita maiya - the woman, the would be mom and importantly the citizen......who is under his protection.......would he do the same nyay if this was an ordinary woman of this kingdom???

I agree with Arpil, that our MP, Dev did not need an explanation from Rads, instead he questioned this male dominated society, his brother as to how can you doubt her purity, whose character cannot be doubted by God he said......And so rightly, he said, she was under our shelter., it was our responsibilty to protect her..........

For first time, I saw Dev the real Dev........boy, he has blossomed and has come a long way from the lover boy to the real man.............

anu, honestly being non-Hindu i do not take the story of Ram and Sita as being life lessons for my own life. I understood the stories though as having some essentials "do good" morals and its part of the origins of our culture. So i was curious and read up. The way i see it Ram and Sita's story is setting examples of what is ideal to perform as a part and member of the soiety you live in.. what values to hold dear and how to act in the daily life. The episodes where Ram choses to perform the duty of the King first is setting an example for what a leader should be. The role of Sita in Ramayan is simplified to a great extent.. into being only an ideal wife because the role of a woman was essentially limited to that. Women were not part of the political scene in a kingdom. There limitations were in playing the roles of a homemaker. A daughter, a wife, a mother. Outspoken-ness in women is not encouraged in Ramayan...that quality is attributed to the women in Mahabharat. Ramayan sort of is a reflection of the times that it was set in. The Satya yug is a time period when society and relationships were more "pure' than they were in the later yugs. So the idea of an ideal wife putting her husband in a dilemma over whether to choose her or do his duty, his karm, the job that he is meant to do..is sort of unthinkable. Like i mentioned...Ram-Sita story is a depiction of idealism. Ideal son, ideal student, ideal warrior, ideal husband, ideal brother, ideal wife, ideal mother, ideal King (leader).
the story of Mahabharat however, is in a less than ideal world with less than ideal characters. The characters in Mahabharat have dimensions and layers and they are closer to the reality today. There is no idealism there.. but a sort of cry to stand for justice and not to hesitate to sacrifice and compromise on ideals for the greater good.

I got side tracked.. coming back to Seeta..She stood by her husband's decision or possibly even convinced him to perform his duty as a King. When we say Ram let her go.. we do not say Ram kicked her out. It was Sita's decision to leave. She supported her husband's action. She is an equal part of that decision made for the benefit of the people of Ayodhya. She wasn't willing or required to go through another agni-pareeksha. She went through it once and if she succumbed to the pressures and did it again, she'd be insulting herself.
When her husband wanted to be an ideal son, she supported him. And when he needed to be a King she supported him then too. Seeta never complained about Ram. Its us who fail to understand Ram's compulsions. Seeta never questions him or accused him of doing her wrong.. because she didn't feel that he did her any wrong. She understood him and stood by him even if it meant being away from him.
BTW i am not certain that Ram knew Seeta was pregnant before she left. Would his decision have changed if he knew she was carrying a possible heir to his throne?



Alright i see that i've contributed to completely spam this thread with my thoughts on Ram and Sita. sorry about that. I'll stop with this topic and lets stay on Dev as the ideal man in all our hearts.😳 hehe.. don't we all wish we'd get a husband like him. 😉

JC: I agree that Ramayan teaches us morals........My dad always used to say to me, don't read it as religious book or like novel.......read it like, how can you use it in our daily life.....Ramayan always taught us as to how we should be in our life......while Mahabharat shows us what we are...........

it was very interesting to read your view point........

I edited my post after you replied. 😆

Thank U all for actively participating and sharing ur thoughts.

A special thanks to Anu, jpalagarwal, JC, deefan, pop77, for the kind words, and ur valuable inputs.

JC ur post was a surprise.

Thanks once again.