making fun of children not right - Page 6

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

You do not need to be a musical pundit. A ruptured ear drum is enough.

Actually it is not. I am surrounded by such tone deaf people in my real life, so this is coming from experience.😆 Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to a Farhan Akhtar concert?

Whether besura can become sureela with training does not change the definitions of besura and sureela. You cannot simply say the same thing to someone who was melodic but just not brilliant enough, and the one who ruptured your ear drum. One needs 'good luck and wishes' for next time. The other needs 'duct tape'.

I don't think you got my point then. IMO, no kid needs duct tape. It's like giving a kid a wheel chair if they don't learn how to walk in the first trial.

If you are living in a world where all adults always act mature and proper, then you are in for a real rude awakening someday. Full grown adults can have hissy fits worse than a five year old. You have to prepare kids for the real world. Not a fantasy filled maturityland.

Oh, well from personal experience, I believe it is good to shelter kids from all the evils out there, because they're not mature enough to understand these concepts. There's a reason why certain things are not talked about in front of kids and restricted from them. It's best if they learn gradually as they get older, and it is the duty of all adults surrounding them to ensure that. Like I said, if they can't do that, then they're useless as adults.

There are always exceptions. You may have had a different childhood experience. However, from 8 to almost 16 even twenties in some cases - peer feedback takes precedence.

Okay, so then it depends on the person. How can you say that I am the exception? Can't it be the other way around? From what I've seen, most people would be more hurt if their parents abused them rather than their sibling, because sibling rivarly is normal. Same thing with a teacher vs. a classmate,

Fact of life is no one is really mature. People will do anything for kicks. If parents tried to be realistic with their kids then this situation would never arise. The world is full of morons, thats why good parenting is most important.

I get your point. It's just that I believe those morons are the most guilty and should be dealt with. If they weren't so moronic then parents wouldn't have to worry about such things and could just raise their kids normally.

Basically, I believe kids are too young to be exposed to nastiness. You know how they say "bachpan ke din khelne koodne ke din hote hain". Maturity do deal with such subjects comes slowly with age anyways, but by exposing kids to negativity you ruin their childhood. So all adults around these kids should be careful about it, whether they are the parents or not. And Abhijeet is a judge, so basically it's his duty to deal with the kids, almost like a teacher. And teachers have the same responsibily.

I'm going to backtrack a bit before I establish myself as some sadistic person who derives evil pleasure from making lesser people cry. That is the job of doctors, and I am not one.

Now, I have to explicitly clarify. I do not condone rude, disrespectful behavior towards children; especially behavior that can potentially hurt their feelings. Not just children, I disapprove of reality shows and the likes who generate ratings by humiliating people and exploiting controversies.

It is easy to blame the system, because undoubtedly the reality show system is flawed on many levels. Everyone has a problem with it - viewers and contestants. However, when it comes to children I think it the system becomes a soft target. In my opinion there are bigger issues involved that we cannot resolve unless we stop being fixated on harping on the shortcomings of judges.

Parenting is no joke. It is a very important responsibility a person is expected to fulfill. There really is no excuse for parent's failing to fulfill their responsibilities. Ignorance, poverty, desperation maybe excuses in other situations but they do not cut it out when it comes to irresponsible parenting. No can do. Parents are 100% responsible for their dependent children, and we should not shy from expecting that accountability from them.

In many ways these talent shows and contests are a blessing for people in India. There is a lot of raw young talent out there, which is being given an opportunity through this medium. It gives children an opportunity they would have otherwise never had.

However, children and publicity is a sensitive issue. Irrespective of whether children will be treated respectfully or not, there are many other considerations. Is the child ready to move from a quiet lifestyle back home to the public eye. Is the child equipped to handle adoration, accolades and also straightforward harsh but honest and constructive criticism.

People have justified their criticism of Abhijeet by citing how parents force their children into doing this, or how for poor people this is an opportunity, or how love makes them unable to see shortcomings etc. But how does this any way shape or form remove blame from parents or shift it away from them. In fact in all these scenarios the blame on parents is exponential. Abhijeet's childish misbehavior and stupid antics are trivial compared to parental failure.

A parent should love their child unconditionally, but parental love should not be blind. Parents should be willing to see shortcomings. Children should have a realistic perception of themselves. They should not overestimate or underestimate their skills or abilities.They should be balanced, not insecure or overconfident. Children are a human life parents have chosen to nurture. There is no excuse for pressuring them into things they are uninterested in or using them as a tool to get famous.

If parents actually fulfilled their responsibility as parents only moderate to excellent singers would participate. There would be no atrocious singing to make fun off, and every child would have been fully prepared emotioanlly to accept criticism and rejection. Of course we do not live in a perfect world and this is not possible. However, when overzealous parents overestimate their children and push them into something they are incapable of, the parent is to blame. Yes the judge is wrong in his behavior too, but the parent is epic fail.

As someone mentioned children should be allowed to be children. Lets remember when parents sign their children up for reality shows they sign a contract waiving a lot of privacy and other rights. The channel does care for your children or their sentiments, for them TRP is key, the judge is not concerned for him his contractual obligations to make entertainment is key. The preservation of interests of children and letting them enjoy childhood is in the hands of parents. When parents throw their children into such situations, why not squarely blame the parents.

I am not a parent, but I am sure hope any good parent would agree that parents are responsible for children and should think through what they are putting their children through. And if I were a parent whose child got humiliated, I would not think 'OMG that Abhijeet is an a**hole'. I would ask myself 'where did I go wrong, how could I let this happen to my child'.

While I agree that Abhijeet's behavior is uncalled for, I refuse to make an issue for it. My issue is with the parents and solely with the parents for not being responsible parents. For me how parents raise their kids is more important than some lousy judge on a show.

Originally posted by: Chits1

I am a big fan of Abhijeet's songs but I didn't like the way he made fun of the kids.Not fair.😕

It would have been good if their parents, esp someone who is bigger than Abhijeet, comes and stands in front of him when he ran out yelling "bachao bachao"!! I dont know why Zee is doing this - how much humiliation and harassment would those kids face now - at home, school, etc.!!

Loved this discussion RTH/Princy - it's rocking ! Great points!!

wow RTH that was looong!😆
I understand your points, but I just don't agree that letting your kids enter a singing competition is an example of bad parenting. I mean, this is just a singing competition. I truly believe that kids should be allowed to try every thing they have an interest in (like arts, sports, or whatever academic subject that appeals to them the most). If kids really wants to sing and enter the singing competition, I don't think the parents should stop them from doing so by saying that they are not good singers. I think the kids should be allowed to do so, and once they get rejected (without any insult) then it's up to them whether they want to try and improve or just give up on singing. No kid should be forced to give up, either by the parents or by the judges. Because they're just kids, and like I said before kids are good learners. Even the most besura kids can become decent singers if they really try to, and if not then they'll give up on their own. Of course there is something called natural talent, and such kids probably can't become a Lata Mangeshkar. But if they want to enter such a competition, then they must have some sort of interest in music and their hobbies and interest should not be killed like that. The judges should just reject them nicely. No need to be rude at all.

I have done a whole bunch of school/community competitions and what not as a kid or teen, of all different subjects. I did well in some, and not so well in others. From those experiences I eventually learned what is for me and what is not. No one made fun of me when I didn't do so well and my parents never stopped me from doing any of these. LC should be like this also, and not a dirty reality show for TRPs. It is obviously the channel, format, judges etc. at fault and not the parents.

Originally posted by: shehzaadi91

wow RTH that was looong!😆
I understand your points, but I just don't agree that letting your kids enter a singing competition is an example of bad parenting. I mean, this is just a singing competition. I truly believe that kids should be allowed to try every thing they have an interest in. If kids really wants to sing and enter the singing competition, I don't think the parents should stop them from doing so by saying that they are not good singers. I think the kids should be allowed to do so, and once they get rejected (without any insult) then it's up to them whether they want to try and improve or just give up on singing. No kid should be forced to give up, either by the parents or by the judges. Because they're just kids, and like I said before kids are good learners. Even the most besura kids can become decent singers if they really try to, and if not then they'll give up on their own. Of course there is something called natural talent, and such kids probably can't become a Lata Mangeshkar. But if they want to enter such a competition, then they must have some sort of interest in music and their hobbies and interest should not be killed like that. The judges should just reject them nicely. No need to be rude at all.

However, this is not just another singing competition. SRGMP is far from being just an ordinary singing competition where singers of any skill level can come and sing or just try in the spirit of the contest.

Even without the insults or drama
- This is reality TV which is a media circus and spectacle
- It is exposure to the public eye, who will never know who you are but judge you discuss you and comment on based on a few seconds to a few hours of screentime
- It is entering a publicity world where you are waiving many basic privacy rights on behalf of your child

It is imperative that parents think through thoroughly. Even if the judges treat them fairly. What the heck was the parent thinking when they brought an ill prepared child into this.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

However, this is not just another singing competition. SRGMP is far from being just an ordinary singing competition where singers of any skill level can come and sing or just try in the spirit of the contest.

Even without the insults or drama
- This is reality TV which is a media circus and spectacle
- It is exposure to the public eye, who will never know who you are but judge you discuss you and comment on based on a few seconds to a few hours of screentime
- It is entering a publicity world where you are waiving many basic privacy rights on behalf of your child

It is imperative that parents think through thoroughly. Even if the judges treat them fairly. What the heck was the parent thinking when they brought an ill prepared child into this.

true...but then I think that the format is to blame and not the parents. There shouldn't be such type of shows for kids anyways. Before 2005, there was never any drama on this show...and even after that, they never showed the initial audition stages before this year. So the rejected singers were never seen by the public anyways. The show was perfectly fine, so how are the parents supposed to know that they randomly changed the format this year? IMO That format change is to blame, not the parents.