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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: heer hann

Hi dear,

What to do yaar.The new creative have lost it.Atleast the old creative show some romantic scenes.But this new creative........Anyways nice topic.

Hi Heer Hann, The romance showed earlier was the experiencing of first love, the feeling of being in love.
With Marriage, comes responsibilities and a reshuffling of priorities. Every creative has a different way of story telling, and it depends on us, from which eyes to see the story telling. Like Prem Said, dekhna ka andaz badal gaya hai. The new creatives are getting there, I think. I personally like the veera/nihaal angle being bought out right now. I think its a very realistic situation, the creatives have come up with.
So, tell me, because I really want to hear your views : As a sister, and a wife, what wou;d you have done had you been in the same situation.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luckyluv

I am really confused wid veera.Is she so concerned abt her brother and maayka really.I dont think so.I always felt tht whtever is the siituation or circumstance she tries to make use of it to let out her grudge against ppl.
1)When veera came to know abt heer-rr marriage she taunted heer and meher saying tht they tend to take away other's life.
2)Now when heer got married to her bro she is still taunting heer saying tht u trapped my brother u finally got married to him.
For me I always felt veera is against all Maans.Whtever is the matter good r bad she uses it to taunt them and accuse them.
I dont feel tht veera is really concerned abt her brother it is more like she got an opportunity to make life more horrible for nihaal
nihaal really had a gud point why did he give money to heer to help out veera's family which veera sees other way.
One thing for sure i can never see anything gud abt veera,she is always disgusting for me.
The way she is taking advantage of her family's luv to accuse Nihaal and refusing to say her side talking to prem when asked instead badmouthing him saying u giv imp to ur wife than sis is disgusting.

I feel like slapping veera.
Ofcourse wht is lallu doing standing there and staring at her.I got gmom's sadness knowing tht her daughter will never change.

Veera has always been the spoilt brat and getting used to having things at her beck and call getting used to asking for things and getting it. She is very proud of money. You know, when money goes away, some people can handle it, some cant. Veera belongs to those people who cant, because she is yet to realize the value and meaning of the word money. Unfortunately, she will learn the hard way, just like preet did - though not in the same magnitude.
A sister will always expect her brother to understand her and not question her. I think veera cant quite take to the fact that Prem stood by Heer and not her. If you ask me, Veera is quite a manipulator and knows how to swing things her way - a fact which prem knows and perhaps prem will explain things to veera in a way, that veera understands, just like he explained to harman, in away that harman realized and understood.
If I was veera, I would have definately been angry and would have got my pati dev to speak to my brother. Veera temper was as a result of her anger - coz she knows the family is going through a rough time. Deep down at a unconscious level, she may be feeling guilty about it - hence this adverse reaction; hence it may be a defence mechanism to defend herself. May be its denial on her part - who knows.
Veera views the mann sister as competition and that is the main reason for her ire against them, for her conflict/clash with her. When you have to share things/time/love etc, no body likes it.
Every wife wants her husband to be able to provide ertain luxuries in life - veera though is yet to realize that its the thought that counts at the end of the day. Veera though is very materialisti and the non-adjusting types.
Having said that, I think veera is still way too immature to handle and deal with relationships. She still needs time and a long way to go. I still cant believe that Lalit stood there, keeping quiet.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sshekar

Hi Misty!!

Hi Smitha, Great to see you here.

Nice topic you have going here and I could not help but commenting!
Thank You for that.... I was wanting to know what estee, raksha, payal and you among others thought about the whole thing. The discussions have been long over due - dont you think so.
I always regarded Kis desh as being a show which depicted the realities of life. With this angle, they have only reaffirmed this belief.

Firstly, I completely agree with Prem when he questioned Veera about what really happened. It is so like her to completely leave out her hateful words to Nihaal and portray her side of the story. She has always been the spoilt brat, knowing full well that her brothers will side with her no matter what. As a result, she has been using this to her advantage whenever possible...almost arrogant about it at times.
I agree with you there. Prem has always been the most rationale and the mature one of the lot. I think he knows what his sister is like. Plus, with heer having told him everything, I guess he knows the reason for Veera's ire. Probably, in his own way, tried to get to the bottom of the problem. You know all of us, including the creatives are forgetting one thing - that Prem knows nihaal even before he knows nihaal as his wife's brother or his sister husband. Prem knows nihaal as his most trusted lieutant, some one who helped him get to the matter of the entire manmeet episode, which brings to my mind - whatever happenned to the hotels that the Junejas owned? I mean they were still there when Preet was trying to fix things in his own way, before the veera wedding happenned.

If I were in Veera's place, I would have let Nihaal explain what really happened. Then I would call Preet and talk to him about it, tell him that it was a mistake. Nihaal did say he would call and explain to Preet, before Veera started on her rant. It is easier to work things out when a dialogue is open. I agree that it feels bad that your brother lost his job, but at the same time it was completely wrong of her to accuse Nihaal...when he was only doing his job. I know things have been difficult with the Junejas, but what kind of daughter is she really? On the one hand she is always asking her husband to spend money on her, when she could essentially be using the same money to help out her family. So was that really right of her to go off on Nihaal when she has done nothing to help out Preet et al?
Hmn, coming to think of that. It wasnt really right to throw acusses at Nihaal without hearing the complete story. Probably, its her own defence mechanism at play. Probably, its her denial. Veera is the arrogant, immature person who is a manipulator and knows how to use the situationto her advantage. She has always been the conniving one. When there is an heated arguement involved, more often that not, we do not give others a chance to explain as we are angry and upset.
If I were in veera's place, I would have probably called preet and told him what happenned, told him there might have been some mistake and Nihaal would be getting to the bottom of the problem and talk to him about the same. I would have also apologized to Preet on Nihaals behalf.
But then thats me and this is veera we are talking about. Its easier said and done but i agree and that its easy to resolve problems when dialogue is open.
About Nihaal, I think he is doing a son duty of helping veera's family out in his own way. Having said that, I am not going to comment on Nihaal doing his job bit because i think as a financial consultant, he had no right to advise/comment on the number and kinds of ppl to fire.
We all know Veera resents Nihaal and all the things that she told him were horrendous, especially when he so obviously is trying to keep her happy. I do not agree that Nihaal was spineless when he went to apologize to Veera and bing her back. He believes that it was a matter between husband and wife and if it meant that he could bring his wife, then he was willing to do it. In my estimation that makes him a bigger man, despite the fact that his wife just ripped him apart with her insults. It would have been very easy for him to bring his ego into the picture and let things slide. Instead, he put it aside and went to bring her back...willing to work things out with her. I have to applaud that.
Though on one hand, we have to applaud him to putting things aside and going to get veera, on the other, I think, he should have still had the nerve and courage of telling preet. Probably, it was his way of also using this opportunity to apologize to the Juneja's. When I say, Nihaal is spineless, I mean his character is weak. I think the possessive brother in him, will come out, should a tear come in heer and meher's eye. I think he is spineless coz he agreed to not talk to heer should veera and he did the gantbandhan together (again a very unfair proposition). I hope he didnt go to get veera, because he didnt want his sisters bearing the insults of something he did.

Preet is a hot head. He still needs to learn to guage the situation around him and get all his facts straight before he goes off like a loose cannon.
For Preet, it was a matter of his sister coming home late at night in tears. No Brother can see tears in his sister eye. He did then go to Nihaal to get to the bottom of the problem. He did rightly say, that if veera has come home late at night, surely they must be something wrong. Preet did what come to his mind instantly - I think so, could be wrong. Not that preet was wrong. I think he was right in his own view.
I agree with Prem (again) that when something goes wrong in a relationship, there has to be fault on both sides. I think for him it was not about taking sides, but an issue of principle. I like that.
I loved that too. For prem, it has always been a matter of principles, and I guess, he will teach veera in a way that only veera will understand

Heer, I have to say did what a good sister did, and trusted her brother knowing that he would never willingly make Preet loose his job. I think Meher will take sides with Heer and Nihaal and Prem (I hope).
Meher, I think will be quiet one or then knowing how hot headed she is, take preets and veera side. Heer, I think will be the more practical one, like Prem.

I have a strong feeling that Gayatri mom is going to speak up on Monday...she always has whenever someone has accused Prem. Maybe the whole family will take sides again?)...who knows.
I think Gayatri Ma, might speak as well on Monday. I hope she does and I hope they dont edit out the major scenes, like they do always, this leaving us majorly confused. Gayatri Ma, will speak out against veera, (just like when she did, when veera sand harman accused prem of switching the tender) and probably say things in defence of heer and prem and may be nihaal? (after all Nihaal is giving money to his sister so that the Junejas can get back to their feet)
Plenty of stuff happening. But one thing is for sure that Prem sure is working on putting everything right and the first is to make Veera dissappear into a black hole that Estee keeps mentioning!! 😃
You know, for the first time, I am actually looking forward to Monday. Prem is working on putting everything right, in his own way. I wish they show him working again and show heer and prem working together. I fail to realize, how come Prem has not had any flashback of him and preet, him and heer, him and lalu, him and gayatri ma. The only flashback he had of gayatri ma was when he saw her and that too as gaurav.😡 I cant figure out as to how come they havent shown lalit all happy now that his vaada is finally fulfilled...

Wow...just checked out the length of this comment! I hope u don't mind. Again, nice topic and I really liked it!
Thank you. I didnt mind it at all. In fact loved it and hope to see more of you. I know I have to respond to your FF - its brilliant and I have to applaud you for that. Very Contemporary and very much in tune with times - something we can all relate to.
You liked this topic? Okies, I was thinking of having a discussion topic after every episode which highlights such issues - what say. Atleast we will a fair amount of discussion going

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Posted: 16 years ago
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If i was veera? grrr don't wanna even imagine that 😆😆😆 she is such a big drama, if i am veera ofcourse i would do what she is doing create drama and try to gather sympathies, she has Preet's sympathy already doesn't she? I mean few days since Prem is back and she is already bad mouthing him? The same brother who always fulfilled all her wishes! Some sister she is! She is just a selfish girl who only thinks about herself! She is the same sister who missed her dead brother only because if he was alive her wedding would have been big 😆😆😆 ( i wonder if anyone has told prem that yet)

If i was Prem i would know what a drama queen veera is, so ofcourse i won't take whatever she says on face value. I will try and find what really happened before jumping to conclusion.

If i was heer i would support Prem because that is what Premeer are one would demand from me, i would trust Prem and his judgement!

If i was Preet i won't react the way preet did! Simply because no matter what Nehal is my sister's husband and you can't just say "uss nehal ki himmat kaisey huwi ye sab kurney ki" and go to fight with him. He is not some gali ka ghunda we are talking abt, its his sister's husband! There are fights in every house and you just can't solve anything by loosing temper like that!

As for Meher it is very difficult to predict anything about her, she might just stay quiet.

But i just wonder why Lalu and rest of the family just stood quiet when veera was bad mouthing Prem, for the first time even Preet didn't react! Preet who would not hear a word against his PB! I wonder if j-zoo wanted Prem back only so they can accuse him and were missing the drama 😆😆😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soaps1

If i was veera? grrr don't wanna even imagine that 😆😆😆 she is such a big drama, if i am veera ofcourse i would do what she is doing create drama and try to gather sympathies, she has Preet's sympathy already doesn't she?

I dont think she has Preets Sympathy. I mean he is a protective brother and a possessive one too. At this point of time, he cant take it that his sister has been hurt but may be the reaction would be different if veera had accussed meher
I mean few days since Prem is back and she is already bad mouthing him? The same brother who always fulfilled all her wishes! Some sister she is! She is just a selfish girl who only thinks about herself! She is the same sister who missed her dead brother only because if he was alive her wedding would have been big 😆😆😆 ( i wonder if anyone has told prem that yet)
both the weddings were supposed to be on the same day. I think Prem knows what veera is all about. He has experienced it before, so he is a bit more rationale and practical. Yes, she is selfish no doubt and only thinks about her self. I guess her being pampered and spoilt has a lot to do with it. She does need to mature a lot and I guess she is just upset that her brother is not siding her - let alone believe her. I guess thats what is freaking her out. Whether, its a fair demand or not, remains debatable and its not a question of taking sides because for a Man, his sister, mother and wife mean a lot to him and have an equal place in his heart. So it really unfair to expect a man to side with his wife and not side with his sister, or then side with his sister and not side with his wife. Its really unfair.

If i was Prem i would know what a drama queen veera is, so ofcourse i won't take whatever she says on face value. I will try and find what really happened before jumping to conclusion.
Thats exactly what he has done....

If i was heer i would support Prem because that is what Premeer are one would demand from me, i would trust Prem and his judgement!
True. But you know, though, If I was heer, I would have trusted my husband judgement but I wouldnt let any one point fingers at my brother. Or then, I would have told my brother that its a matter between him and his wife and to keep me out of it. Would have told my husband also to keep out of it.

If i was Preet i won't react the way preet did! Simply because no matter what Nehal is my sister's husband and you can't just say "uss nehal ki himmat kaisey huwi ye sab kurney ki" and go to fight with him. He is not some gali ka ghunda we are talking abt, its his sister's husband! There are fights in every house and you just can't solve anything by loosing temper like that!
Preet hot headness came from the fact that his sister was upset in the middle of the night and only gave her point of view. God knows what veera told him. At that moment, it was his sister in front of him, and not his wife's brother;s wife. Coming to think of it, what nihaal told veera was also wrong. It pinched. It would hurt any one if you are told by anyone that what would become of you, had I not married you when you were left at the altar. Thats not a thing to be thing. Veera was mean I agree. What Nihaal told veera was not right either.

As for Meher it is very difficult to predict anything about her, she might just stay quiet.
I think she will...but she may make preet understand in her own sweet and simple ways.

But i just wonder why Lalu and rest of the family just stood quiet when veera was bad mouthing Prem, for the first time even Preet didn't react! Preet who would not hear a word against his PB! I wonder if j-zoo wanted Prem back only so they can accuse him and were missing the drama 😆😆😆
No...I think they will all react on Monday. Prem got a call remember when veera hurling accusations at him. May be they will show that on Monday. Who Knows. But I hope Mondays episode is not ruined by slopping editing

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Posted: 16 years ago
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misty. i just read it. not sure that i'm gonna do anything that makes sense with it -- 'cause my head's too stuff with too many other things at the moment. but what the hey... promise i'll try to keep it short. 😆

Originally posted by: mistyeyed_25

Brickbat : Arent Prem & Heer suppposed to be a newly married couple and dont newly married enjoy marital bliss and romance

y'know? given that this entire ''marriage'' happened in such a dramatic way, i'm kinda okay that heer-prem are not tumbling into marital bliss. at least, not the usual type of marital bliss. me? i'm with the side that says that when two people - even two people who are one - get back together after an unexpected and violent act forced them apart for such a long time, they'll take time to adjust. what i'd have expected to see was their bond regenerating and reforming. oh, i know! prem-heer had never had such a bond formed. they had the bond and just re-established it from the first moment they met! through their other-worldly eye conversations, their strangely intimate hand conversations. 😆 but given that they'd already done all that once before, i kinda think - well, they can't do the same thing again? 'cause then they'd be laughing like heer does today. so i dunno - i'm kinda okay with heer going whereever prem goes and prem going whereever heer goes as a prem-heer kinda romance. they've always done it ''their way'' - 'm gonna wait to see to what level these two take it next. didn't get this -- are you talking 'bout prem here?
Brickbat : Can a person really change so much that he/she fail to remember what their essence is. Can they really change so much, that the lose fous and lose touch with their own essence and soul?So is this what kis desh is teaching us - Only look up to see where you want to go but never look down to see where you have from home?
didn't get this -- are you talking 'bout prem here? but why do you think he's changed? 'cause he combed his hair? but this is the same guy who put on his shirt (white, mind you! 😆) while admiring himself in the mirror a long while ago. so what was wrong with him combing his hair? at least, for combing the hair, you need the mirror.

i'm beginning to think that might be the same way to think 'bout heer combing her hair in the mirror. this was after she'd gotten engaged to prem; girl in love; wants to look good for her beau -- it could happen and be considered rather harmless. even to prem-heer occassionally! 😆 i mean, there was nothing in that segment that suggested she did that all the time, no?
Brickbat : Why the hell is prem not working as yet...and when are we going to see the three brothers working together... Preet & Harman were the right and left arms of prem. Whatever happpenned to that.

*sigh* 'cause it's not been that long since prem got back? maybe next week, prem'll go back to kbc radio and ask for his photography job back? or maybe he'll go to his hotel and start checking the books once again? dunno know -- but i think this could be thought of as too early to worry 'bout.

what my question'd have been was: why the heck hasn't he been seen to have that ''where've you been, prem?'' conversation with anyone. not gayatri-mom. not heer. not preet. not lalit juneja. why hasn't there been a doctor called to have a good medical checkup?


Brickbat : Didnt Ashlesha have the house properties which were given to her by Rishabh. If she is so positive, then why the hell has she not given the property papers back to the Juneja's as yet?

'cause the debt that preet took for (stooopid) vitchface's marriage to (ewwww) ratpal was with ratpal? i have no idea what kind of ''deal'' preet made. in any case, the way the juneja's are treating the house just now, it sure looks like the papers are back with them for all practical purposes?

wouldn't it be the ultimately icky thing if ratty walks in on monday and tells prem that they can stay in the house, as long as prem stays in ratpal-mansion and ... uh ... waits on sanjana's unmoving body day-in and day-out? oh horrors...
Brickbat : Where the hell are the doves and jugni

taking a well-deserved break from this show, and from this prem-heer-are-one-despite-all-things pair! 🤣 i sooo feel for them -- i kinda wish i could do the same...

Bouqet : Prems Dialogue - Main nahin badla, tumhare dekhna ka nazariya badal gaya hai.. why do i think that was hinted towards us. ??

*sigh* ooooh, deep. but to what end? you mean, like a kind of reprimand to us?
Brickbat : Lalit as a father didnt say anything and was expressionless when veera comes home???

'cause there are a bunch of loud and over-reactive males -- ie brothers, brother-in-law and cousin - who dominated the space first? *thinking* 'cause wait. i seem to remember veera going to lalit-juneja and weeping on his bosom part of the time. in fact, if prem wasn't soooooo into comforting vitchface all thetime, she'd have probably been crying on lalit juneja's shoulder! *so, do hc and the actress playing vitchface have something going on in real life? 'cause, man! is prem deeply into comforting veera and veera deeply into getting prem to comfort her all the time! 😆*
Bouqet : I can see where the creatives are coming from. I hope by showing this Nihaal angle of being responsible for preet losing his job, I hope they show us the one ness in premeer & meet in resolving this problem.
I really dont know where to put this... because I tried putting myself in Veera Shoes & In Heers Shoes and tried to figure out what I would have done, given the same scenario... could think of the right or wrong reaction.. I know, had I found that my husband was directly or indirectly responsible for my brother losing his job, I would be wild him with him, I would have fought with him, and I would have called my brother and probably apologized to him as well. But If I was the wife, and i got to know my brother in law lost his job because of my brother, I really dont know what I would have done.

gee, that's odd. 'cause i think that whether it was the wife or the sister, the first thing to do would've been to listen to the storyfirst? to ask/understand what the heck had happened first? y'know? i deeply detest characters that just fly off into a hysterical, screeching fit -- and i detest it especially when they do it with a stereo-typical female character with her i'm-a-female-who-can't-think screech reactions.

i've said this before, saying it again: veera's is the most boring female character in this show. 'cause it's just drawing on a set of ancient characterisations, no? foreign returned, rich, brat, whiney, little-dressed, ill-mannered to all other than her immediately family - and worst of all, a deep and fundamental incapacity to apparently think 'bout anything before reacting - 'cause she's got her ''standard'' reaction and that's all she will do! she is boring. and in this show, with characters like prem,heer, preet, even meher, ashlesha, lalit-juneja, -- she is boring,boring,boring. and that is her greatest crime.

this story is not done yet. it's not even started. and if i had to write the character of vitchface/heer and they're humans with brains, i'd show them talking to nihaal first. i mean, i adore (god) preet. but his flying-off-the-handle reaction is such a dumbo thing to do. which is why he is a (god). while prem is such a hero just 'cause he applied a brain in addition to feeling pain for his sister and asked: but what happened. and of course, vitchface doesn't answer. the creep. where is that garbage-disposal blackhole that i'd been wanting for the veera character since, like, forever!??! 😡

in that sense, i liked the way that heer reacted to vitchface's vitriol: she just looked uncomprehending, shocked and wanted to find out what had happened. after that, it's fair to take sides. to say, no my brother was just doing his job, or yes, my brother's at fault 'cause he wasn't doing his job well enough. and btw, if nihaal had advised the company not to sack the employees just 'cause preet was employed there, he wouldn't have been very honourable - to either the job he's supposed tobe doing, or to preet, who should've been so valuable to the firm they'd want to keep him on.
Its such a realistic situation to be in right.... because veera is married into heers mayka and heer into veera's mayka. I really want to know, how the creatives will resolve this and how sensitively and realistically they handle this...

er.. isn't the whole approach of we've gotta chose a side (which is what i'm guessing this mayka thing is?) and stick with it irrespective of the facts the ... er .. kinda the saas-bahu thing to do? shouldn't it be based on listening to what actually happened, and then taking a stand that is important?

oh well. as i said: got too many things on my mind, and don't know whether any of the stuff i wrote makes sense. but that's my take: that there's no one fixed stand to take. be like prem, first listen to what the situation is and then decide that there was something wrong or right.

me? my problem with this whole sitatuion is that this is a perfectly realistic and mybe normal situatoin to be in: where one family member is inadvertantly responsible for some pain to another family member. the only thing unrealistic in this is vitchface's hysterical reaction to nihal. she hates him. and she is being unreasonable in the way she has reacted -- it is purely based on emotion and no thought. pathetic excuse of a female. who planned to get something, got nothing and not is seething with rage and anger 'cause her plans got foiled. and is now spewing forth her pent-up frustrations in a situation that is going to cause more -than-unnecessary pain to her youngest brother - for sure. *😡 vitchface!* and is going to be a test of preet and his hb's relationship. and - given how they've gone through hell together - vitchface is gonna get her acidic frustration bounce back at her.

*thinking* gee! d'you think that acidic frustration - though it's a metaphor over here - could be used to kinda melt vitchface away into nothingness? that'd be gory - but fun!! wouldn't mind seeing that... especially if we get no vitchface forever after in the serial... 😆

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