Teenagers / Alcoholism

Should people who have damaged body parts due to alcohol abuse qualify to for transplant via organ donation program?

Originally posted by: anon

Great topic, Quick reply - not read article.

Originally posted by: raj5000

Hear yaa and I don't wanted to generalize - My thought process behind this was ...that legal drinking age starts at teen... it is important at that point they should understand what they are getting into it, how do i refer that particular age group then? 😕... as for adults I already mentioned they should know about it... and if they end screwing up, I cann't beleive they never knew what they would end up with alcoholism.

The legal drinking age in the US is 21. But the actual at which some teens are exposed to alcohol is a lot earlier. Despite all the education against drugs and alcohol that schools provide, kids are involved in both at such high rates. And they really don't understand the effects of alcohol. Reading to them the effects or telling it to them, hasn't been beneficial either.

Some kids at home are allowed to have some amount of alcohol with parent's permission, but is that right? Is that not encouraging them to drink alcohol without the parent's permission as well? In France, kids drink wine, and supposedly there's no alcohol problem among teens there. Would that be the route to take?

In Driver's Ed, we're taught about the risks of drinking and driving, but that doesn't really reinforce the idea when one is doing it, does it? Teens still think that drinking alcohol is "cool". We see so many deaths year after year in alcohol-related accidents. Drunk driving, wasting away your body by drinking alcohol, addiction, etc.

In general, we as humans, have a hard time learning from other's mistakes. And that's quite unfortunate.

Anyways, I'm just rambling about things that you've already said. I believe your post was meant to ask for a solution. Well, I think its something that starts at home, with parents. Parents have to be an example for their children, a role model.

When I was in high school, we had a presentation in which parents who had lost their children due to drunk driving come in and talk to us and pour their heart and tears out. Another part of the presentation was when prisoners who were in jail for drunk driving came in and spoke to us. One such woman, who was serving an 8-year sentence said she'd killed her best friends. It was the most depressing presentation I've ever seen. And after seeing that, I still can't understand why teens are so immature. Who's fault is it?

One small remedy to this problem is to stop promoting Bud-Lite and Miller beers during Superbowl commercials, yes, yes, I know they tend to be the best ones. Also, alcohol is nowadays combined with American culture like apple pie. Kids don't know how to see it any other way, when they see their parents getting wasted every Friday night.

Sorry, too much rambling, hopefully this will be semi-coherent.
Good topic!

Edit: Forgot to add about donating organs. Of course they qualify, people will always be stupid, but we shouldn't take away their lives from them to make them realize their mistake. Think about it this way, should a doctor refuse to save a person who attempted suicide? No, right? Same way we can't deny alcoholics rights to organs, although it is "their fault".

{was in reponse ot to YOUR earlier post..}^^^ May be you are right, adults also often lack the knowledge of the consequences, but wouldn't when they get to legal age of drinking a good starting point? There are adults who know or are diagonised with terminal illness, still cannot get off of addiction... am just concerned about bachu's who really are taken all off guarded, like the girl, see the link @ 24 had to pay the price with her life, there was another one that triggered this thought, but more of a DUI case...wanna focus on alcoholism here.

Originally posted by: raj5000

{was in reponse ot to YOUR earlier post..}^^^ May be you are right, adults also often lack the knowledge of the consequences, but wouldn't when they get to legal age of drinking a good starting point? There are adults who know or are diagonised with terminal illness, still cannot get off of addiction... am just concerned about bachu's who really are taken all off guarded, like the girl, see the link @ 24 had to pay the price with her life, there was another one that triggered this thought, but more of a DUI case...wanna focus on alcoholism here.

Originally posted by: anon

@ WA - See in US its 21 - IMO i think thats high - because more teens are more likely to do it because 'its cool' and so they will do it illegally. Plus not fair to those who are sensible. As there are lots who do drink at home with parent's - but would not say that they are encouraging them to drink loads. I mean if its with permission and monitored then its not a problem. You know there is problem? Because with more restrictions, teens will just rebel and its far more damaging if parents dont know.

But most definitely agreed - parents responsibility as role model and to enforce and set the rules. Kids copy friends and family.

Yeah i had a smiliar presentation too on Alcohol - they gave it before xmas some years before. But yes me also doesnt get why Teens remain immature on this matter. I don't drink - and i am quite glad i wont get into such an expensive habit 😆 and if you have never had something you don't miss it. So im glad i dont need alcohol to have a good time.

Yh well its not about restricting alcohol - wont work - its about education of Adults and Teens alike. Its also about monitoring binge drinking like here in UK.

Yeah alcohol is common nature of both US/Europe. In Dubai its frowned upon - well everything is there but they turn a blind eye to Westerners if its inside private properties like Hotels. So UK/US isn't regulated by Shariah Law so only way to curb it is to educate as young children. IMO as a teen - can be late.

Btw in US seeing as Law = 21 and not 18 like UK and its like 14 in some places but does it work? Surely more will just do it illegally?

Yeah, see that's the problem. Although there seems to be a correlation between the lower legal drinking age and the number of individuals affected by alcoholism, we don't have any way to tell if its a direct correlation or not. For example, if today a bill was passed in the US that allowed all those above the age of 18 to drink, do you think kids would suddenly say, oh I don't want to do that, just because I can do it. No, it wont' work that way. It might work for the future generations, but we'll be letting the current generation go to waste in the process. Is that worth it?

Hmm, Dubai is a different case. Shariah law exists there, and although many complain about religion and politics mixing, sometimes it can be a good thing.

Alcoholism itself is the problem. What I don't understand is what are the parents doing when these kids are out drinking day and night? I understand that college is different, we have dorm rooms and parties, and one is expected to drink, but high school students suffering from alcoholism is ludicrous.

Coming to college students, well I don't drink - never had, never will, neither do any of the people that I hang out with. But alcohol is automatically associated with college students, as though its part of the package. I think a self-fulfilling prophecy is involved here, parents just accept that when their kids go to college drinking and partying is a normal routine. And its not. In fact, TV shows promote it as well. Shows like Greek (which is about the whole Greek organization in college) concentrates so hard on alcohol, or Gossip Girl (which concentrates on high school) is only concerned with sex, drugs, and alcohol. I don't know about you, but I didn't see any of that in high school. Call it ignorance if you will. 😆

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Yeah, see that's the problem. Although there seems to be a correlation between the lower legal drinking age and the number of individuals affected by alcoholism, we don't have any way to tell if its a direct correlation or not. For example, if today a bill was passed in the US that allowed all those above the age of 18 to drink, do you think kids would suddenly say, oh I don't want to do that, just because I can do it. No, it wont' work that way. It might work for the future generations, but we'll be letting the current generation go to waste in the process. Is that worth it?

Yeah i kow either way, nothing to stop it. Apparently even here government are planning on increasing the drinking age to 21 in April of this year. If they win, they will announce the news on 1st March giving everyone only a months notice. Dunno about truth in this, was just a facebook group.

Also, if they are successful in this, the smoking age will join it in October of this year.

Hmm, Dubai is a different case. Shariah law exists there, and although many complain about religion and politics mixing, sometimes it can be a good thing.

Yeah, well i guess thats an entirely different debate...but Dubai shows that two different sets of ideology can co-exist. I was watching prgram other day Piers Morgan on Dubai it was on ITV for UK Viewers- youtube it...it is actually a Very good program.

Alcoholism itself is the problem. What I don't understand is what are the parents doing when these kids are out drinking day and night? I understand that college is different, we have dorm rooms and parties, and one is expected to drink, but high school students suffering from alcoholism is ludicrous.

Ok, well most Teens are actually quite good about it....they go our get drunk and all but they are not dependent on Alcohol. The few that are - they dont realise they are and often they drink alone and no one knows about it.

Coming to college students, well I don't drink - never had, never will, neither do any of the people that I hang out with. But alcohol is automatically associated with college students, as though its part of the package.

Yeah again but saying that - most teens honestly don't drink 24/7. I mean the people i hang out with do drink more now that they can buy themselves but its not like a regular thing. Whenever we have a social gathering and stuff and even then its not a lot. So soem friends of mine do drink and other don't Tbh its my guy friends that actually drink less - lol well thats only because they are driving and so are actually sensible on this.

I think a self-fulfilling prophecy is involved here, parents just accept that when their kids go to college drinking and partying is a normal routine. And its not. In fact, TV shows promote it as well. Shows like Greek (which is about the whole Greek organization in college) concentrates so hard on alcohol, or Gossip Girl (which concentrates on high school) is only concerned with sex, drugs, and alcohol. I don't know about you, but I didn't see any of that in high school. Call it ignorance if you will. 😆

Well i thin majority of Parents know their hildren and if they are sensible or not. I mean it is part and parcel but tbh i dont know about alocholism as well we hang out with ppl who r similar to us and so therefore i dont know about the deprived teens or the teens that constantly party. Yeah these programs exaggertae everything and yeah well again drugs and all that aren't part of my school - those that might have done it would have been kicked out anyways. I have only watched one episode of Greek and Gossip Girl yeah seem bits but yeah alcohol is promoted tooo much.