A shame ful day for Mumbai police?!!

Today in India at 10 O clock in the morning a bihari youth was shot at and killed by Mumbai police . Reason he was shouting slogans against MNS and wanting Justice for Bihari students. He had a gun and he shot and injured a fellow bus passanger ( who was also a north Indian living in Mumabi) Mbai police was brave enough to shoot this Bihari youth Rahul Raj and kill him instantly. 🤢 Where was this police when Raj's Goons were killing and injuring people all over Mumbai and Maharashtra for over Six months??Where was this police when poor innocent Taxi drivers were being beaten and made disabled for life?? I do not know whether to cheer this police force or boo it?? So your RT has received its aim of dividing india and making criminals of hardworking youth of the country. Police force of Mumbai can hide their heads in shame for killing a youth , if they had prevented the goondagardi of RT t Goons then all this would not have happened.!!

In principle I gotta support Rahul Raj here, he felt he and his people were getting a raw deal he felt the govt machinery was too busy playing politics. He took the law in his own hand, "questionable" sure, but understandable

there should be a judicial inquiry into this matter to get to the bottom of the issue, what caused him to do this act, what caused those people who creaed the situation to act in this fashion

Originally posted by: chal_phek_mat

In principle I gotta support Rahul Raj here, he felt he and his people were getting a raw deal he felt the govt machinery was too busy playing politics. He took the law in his own hand, "questionable" sure, but understandable

there should be a judicial inquiry into this matter to get to the bottom of the issue, what caused him to do this act, what caused those people who creaed the situation to act in this fashion

If a govt official is found guilty he should be punished with the maximum extent of the law

Originally posted by: chal_phek_mat

BTW Gauri who are you backing this time around? the murderers of Mumbai Police(as the topic originator puts it) or Rahul Raj the Bihari youth and Laloo prasad Yadav/Nitish Kumar? gotta choose a side of the debate and this is debate mansion, no fence sitting allowed😉

Originally posted by: chal_phek_mat

so the cops are murderers here as per you and should not have shot him😃, trying to figure out through the spin😉

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

how about you do your own readings this time around😛 We are still on the first page and you have only two of my posts to go thru. Shd not be a monumental task...eh😉

Taking the given situation objectively as a remote incident.

We have a renegade youth with a gun taking innocent commuters as hostage. The person is armed and within the confinement of a bus. There is no known history of the person, nor is his intent clearly known. We have no idea if he would cause harm or kill more people, or is actually just feigning threat. We have no information if the person is armed beyond a visible weapon.

Now cops have to tackle the situation. They can either negotiate or lay siege and attack. One of the cardinal rules of dealing with armed suspects is to disarm and disengage. Even when negotiating, the aim is to disarm and disengage. If violent means are necessary then so be it, because an unstable armed person could cause death intentionally or unintentionally. The armed suspect even initiated retaliatory fire.

The final outcome is the cops shot back, a total of four shots. The renegade youth was injured and died succumbing to injuries.

To consider the cops guilty of killing as in murder we have to prove mens rea. Were the cops acting in malice or reacting to a situation. If the cops were reacting to the situation, did the situation provide enough time and opportunity for a less deadly reaction.

The renegade youth is guilty of an act of terrorism. He may have noble motives, and he may have secondary justifications for his acts. However, by risking the safety of innocent civilians and using violent unlawful means to achieve his ends he has committed an act of terrorism. His death is unfortunate, he probably deserved a second chance and it is sad that youth in our country could be driven to this. But despite that we ought not martyr him. He knew the risks when he chose the extremity.

There is not enough evidence to deem the cops as murderers. If evidence does prove that they acted with an intent to purely kill the suspect and did not weigh options, they are guilty of murder. If they acted with the intent to indeed cause bodily harm then they are guilty of homicide. If they reacted to a situation, but could have used non lethal measures they are guilty of reckless homicide and breach of conduct. If they provided minimally acceptable reaction to the gravity of the situation and a less lethal measure had no complete guarantee of effectiveness, then they have done absolutely nothing wrong.

As for blaming teh entire police force for acting on one situation and not another. Orders come from above. Sometimes cops are just doing as ordered. It is unfair to blame the entire police force for the corruption of the powers above that be.