History revisited- Basic Inconsistency in Plot

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Posted: 16 years ago
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I know I know.. so far things are going absolutely perfect with this show.. so my post might come across as inappropriate. I was just posting a reply to Jo's post.. 'Raj is not wrong'..when I thought of this.
The setting of this show is 1942-43, just 4 yrs prior to our independence. I know the main focus is on our protagonists here, and the show is not focusing on the rest of the freedom struggle. But the creatives have missed out something very important.
First, Gandhi was the forerunner of the independence struggle, and he was at his peak since 1920s. There is hardly any mention of Gandhi, especially by the krantikaris here.
Gandhi had more or less gained ground in the struggle by 1938, after which it was only administrative matters as to how the British would leave India.. we were not fighting them any more, that too with weapons. His No-CoOperation and Quit India movements were essentially non violent in nature.
Secondly, by 1940s, and to be specific, 1942-43, no Indian in the British Raj, I repeat, NO ONE treated freedom fighters as terrorists. The whole country was unified in its stand to push the British and make them leave India. The mood was totally Pro India, and Anti British, even for those families who were not actively involved in the struggle, the krantikaris did not have to meet secretly int he dead of the night, like they do here..
If this is the setting they wanted to show, they should have picked up early 1930s.. even then, the mood was Pro India,but it wasnt that Anti British.
Dunno, why I blabbed, but yday the way they went about krantikaris being terrorists.. isnt factually correct for the setting they portray, i.e. 1943.
Nevertheless, I love the show. 😊

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Dewy dear --- I am with you. But I guess you have to take the background of the serial with a pinch of salt. 😉 History seems to have been warped to suit the storyline.

Originally posted by: morningdew

I know I know.. so far things are going absolutely perfect with this show.. so my post might come across as inappropriate. I was just posting a reply to Jo's post.. 'Raj is not wrong'..when I thought of this.

The setting of this show is 1942-43, just 4 yrs prior to our independence. I know the main focus is on our protagonists here, and the show is not focusing on the rest of the freedom struggle. But the creatives have missed out something very important.
First, Gandhi was the forerunner of the independence struggle, and he was at his peak since 1920s. There is hardly any mention of Gandhi, especially by the krantikaris here.
Gandhi had more or less gained ground in the struggle by 1938, after which it was only administrative matters as to how the British would leave India.. we were not fighting them any more, that too with weapons. His No-CoOperation and Quit India movements were essentially non violent in nature.
There have always been the extremists and the moderates. Way back in the early 1900's, it was Lal, Bal, and Pal (E) v/s Gokhale etc. With newer lot coming in, younger ppl joined the extremists with newer and more dynamic ideas who later became the revolutionaries. They were action oriented and the one big thing that propelled them forward was the Jall. Bagh massacre. No one could ever forgive that. In Punjab, it was more so. The Chittagong Conspiracy was in 1930 -33 in which Surya Sen and his colleagues participated. They were all sent to the gallows.😭
M Gandhi was a pacifist and believed totally in satyagraha. Each group didn't believe in the other's ideologies but remained distantly supportive since the ultimate aim was the same.
Secondly, by 1940s, and to be specific, 1942-43, no Indian in the British Raj, I repeat, NO ONE treated freedom fighters as terrorists. The whole country was unified in its stand to push the British and make them leave India. The mood was totally Pro India, and Anti British, even for those families who were not actively involved in the struggle, the krantikaris did not have to meet secretly int he dead of the night, like they do here..
Even S Bose did not adhere to ahimsa. But he(Bose)is an eternal hero. What clarion calls he gave! 👍🏼 Every Indian was stirred by them. No Indian worth his salt could have thought of him as a terrorist. Seeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!! 🤢
If this is the setting they wanted to show, they should have picked up early 1930s.. even then, the mood was Pro India,but it wasnt that Anti British. (🤔❓)
Dunno, why I blabbed, but yday the way they went about krantikaris being terrorists.. isnt factually correct for the setting they portray, i.e. 1943.
Nevertheless, I love the show. 😊

I too love the show . 😆👏 And you too for being outspoken🤗
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Oh yes the story is fictional and there is very less reality shown in the freedom struggle..but I think the makers r mainly focussing on Raj-Kranti interactions and their different opinions regarding Freedom and Violence😊..
Now I know something from my Grandma regarding that period..1942-1947😳..as she was the wife of a freedom fighter too whose name might not b mentioned in history as there r many such people but my Grandpa used to b a grt supporter of Subhash Chandra Bose😊
According to my Grandma whatever is written in the history books is half the truth...Actually at that time Indian People were divided into two kind of ideologies...One section supported Gandhiji and his Ahimsa while the other section was with S.Bose and his "Bharat Chodo Andolan" which involved violence too..
The political parties actually supported Gandhi more and even asked Bose to join him but he could never agree with Gandhi's ahimsa and satyagraha movement and decided to leave India and operate from outside for the freedom movement and in this mission he even took the help of Hitler in Germany😊..
Because of this the section of the people and the Political parties who were in favour of Gandhiji went on to term S.Bose and his supporters as terrotists in certain parts of India..
I think in MRD,also they r showing these Krantikaris to b the supporters of S.Bose(mayb they changed the name to Subhankar😉)..and so there is no mention of Gandhi here whereas we can see Raj is more of a ahimsa type person which means later they might show him to b a supporter of Gandhi mayb😊...
If u see the show from this point of view then I guess it will make some sense😃...
Although I agree on one thing that not all stuffs r shown correctly but we should not forget that its a fiction at the end of the day😃
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Oh yes the story is fictional and there is very less reality shown in the freedom struggle..but I think the makers r mainly focussing on Raj-Kranti interactions and their different opinions regarding Freedom and Violence😊..

Now I know something from my Grandma regarding that period..1942-1947😳..as she was the wife of a freedom fighter too whose name might not b mentioned in history as there r many such people but my Grandpa used to b a grt supporter of Subhash Chandra Bose😊
According to my Grandma whatever is written in the history books is half the truth...Actually at that time Indian People were divided into two kind of ideologies...One section supported Gandhiji and his Ahimsa while the other section was with S.Bose and his "Bharat Chodo Andolan" which involved violence too..
The political parties actually supported Gandhi more and even asked Bose to join him but he could never agree with Gandhi's ahimsa and satyagraha movement and decided to leave India and operate from outside for the freedom movement and in this mission he even took the help of Hitler in Germany😊..
Because of this the section of the people and the Political parties who were in favour of Gandhiji went on to term S.Bose and his supporters as terrotists in certain parts of India..
I think in MRD,also they r showing these Krantikaris to b the supporters of S.Bose(mayb they changed the name to Subhankar😉)..and so there is no mention of Gandhi here whereas we can see Raj is more of a ahimsa type person which means later they might show him to b a supporter of Gandhi mayb😊...
If u see the show from this point of view then I guess it will make some sense😃...
Although I agree on one thing that not all stuffs r shown correctly but we should not forget that its a fiction at the end of the day😃

Yeah I completely agree with you Jyo...I know this from lots of people who were very active during that time period.
They say "History is written by winners!!" and because Gandhiji and Congress gained power after freedome....our history books very conviniently excluded mentioning anyone else who sacrificed their lives for the cause.......!
@ Morning Dew....Awesome topic my friend.......it's certainly gave food for a thought!👏
But like everyone else mentioned....they have picked up setting and time period to really put emphasis on the love story....which btw i am still waiting to unfold.......😆
But once again....great topic!!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks skepti and Jo...your inputs deifnitely helped clear some of my doubts. You both are right, there were all kinds of fighters, extremists and moderates. But they all were fighting towards one common goal.
Its very nice Jo, that you hail from a family involved in the freedom struggle. This was anotehr thought I had ever since I started watching the show- that there would not be many people who hail form famillies actively involved in the movement. This is such a rich background.
And yes, finally, its just a fictional show at the end of the day. Too muchh dissection of facts wont help. So, I'll just sit back and enjoy. 😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nupur9

Yeah I completely agree with you Jyo...I know this from lots of people who were very active during that time period.
They say "History is written by winners!!" and because Gandhiji and Congress gained power after freedome....our history books very conviniently excluded mentioning anyone else who sacrificed their lives for the cause.......!
@ Morning Dew....Awesome topic my friend.......it's certainly gave food for a thought!👏
But like everyone else mentioned....they have picked up setting and time period to really put emphasis on the love story....which btw i am still waiting to unfold.......😆
But once again....great topic!!!!

You are very right Nupur..History is rewritten most times to support the winners.. so most of what we read in schools is skewed information. But thats the way it is.. Most glaring illustration to this is the Indian Map we see in our text books.. J&K is not what we see in our textbooks.. the actual international political boundaries are much different.. But Indian Govt wants us to see J&K they way they want it to be. 😊
As for the topic, I really was thinking about all this since the show started.. there is a lot to study in our struggle for independence. Glad u like it..😊
Coming back to our show, I loved the new promo..saw it?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Nupur even I m waiting Raj-Kranti to explode finally😉😆😛...u r right History gave more importance to Gandhiji because of Congree party...but we should not forget that Gandhiji was the sole reason behind the India-Pakistan partition..So there were many anti-Gandhi people that time also sinse Gandhi was himself anti many freedom fighters like S.Bose and Bhagat Singh who din't believed in Ahimsa😊
MorningDew I think this is grt topic to discuss about many facts related to History👏👏😳
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: morningdew

You are very right Nupur..History is rewritten most times to support the winners.. so most of what we read in schools is skewed information. But thats the way it is.. Most glaring illustration to this is the Indian Map we see in our text books.. J&K is not what we see in our textbooks.. the actual international political boundaries are much different.. But Indian Govt wants us to see J&K they way they want it to be. 😊
As for the topic, I really was thinking about all this since the show started.. there is a lot to study in our struggle for independence. Glad u like it..😊
Coming back to our show, I loved the new promo..saw it?

It's a sad how to emphasis one truth, to glorify one...we not only exclude the other but often distort it to suit the situation.
Long back there was a play circulating here called "Mein Godse hoon" where Paresh Rawal played the part of godse who is brought for prosecution and he then gives facts about why he decided to kIll Gandhiji!!!
It was an eye opener...literally.....And Jyo in lines of something you mentioned.
It really makes you question so many aspects of history that is taught to us in school!!
Coming back to the topic......
The inspired Directorji and Writer ji of this show said....
Yaar jab history book are distorted.......then really who knows what true history is....
I mean after all it's the perspective of the writer.........
So they said lets throw in a kranti....a Raj and year 1942......baaki...??
Baaki Raab jaane!!!!😆😆😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nupur9

It's a sad how to emphasis one truth, to glorify one...we not only exclude the other but often distort it to suit the situation.
Long back there was a play circulating here called "Mein Godse hoon" where Paresh Rawal played the part of godse who is brought for prosecution and he then gives facts about why he decided to kIll Gandhiji!!!
It was an eye opener...literally.....And Jyo in lines of something you mentioned.
It really makes you question so many aspects of history that is taught to us in school!!
Coming back to the topic......
The inspired Directorji and Writer ji of this show said....
Yaar jab history book are distorted.......then really who knows what true history is....
I mean after all it's the perspective of the writer.........
So they said lets throw in a kranti....a Raj and year 1942......baaki...??
Baaki Raab jaane!!!!😆😆😆

Nupur sinse Gandhiji is the father of the nation,so he is basically considered as the main hero of the freedom struggle in our school books which is not true at all...Yes Gandhiji had played a major role in our freedom but at the same time other freedom fighters like Mangal Pandey,Bhagat Singh, S.Bose,Lala Lajpatrai and many more(whose names mayb we don't know only) also hv equal roles in our freedom struggle but there is very little or nothing about them in our school books...

So even in the serial many incidents which they r showing or they will b showing cannot b completely discarded😛...It could b a writer's imagination as far as the love track is concerned but according to my Grandma even in those times there were many Love stories developing between these British soldiers and Indian Girls especially in places like Kolkata where the main base of British Government was situated....The reason why we find maximum Anglo-Indians in Kolkata only😉😊..
I think this show too is trying to bring two people who hv different ideologies in life together during the freedom struggle..The only difference here is both the main leads r Indians only but Raj's mentality is westernised😃
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

It could b a writer's imagination as far as the love track is concerned but according to my Grandma even in those times there were many Love stories developing between these British soldiers and Indian Girls especially in places like Kolkata where the main base of British Government was situated....The reason why we find maximum Anglo-Indians in Kolkata only😉😊..
I think this show too is trying to bring two people who hv different ideologies in life together during the freedom struggle..The only difference here is both the main leads r Indians only but Raj's mentality is westernised😃

Thats a cool fact Jo..was never aware of this !! 👏

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