THE Scene, THE Prem...(9/3/08)

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Okay, just finished watching the Premeer scene from today...It was the only part I watched, so its the only part I"ll be commenting on...

Anyway, Here's my two cents:


THE Scene, THE Prem.....

"Ya Rabba, dede koi jaan bhi agar, dilbar pe ho na...koi asar"

Hurt, Angry, and Lonely. Hurt, because his sister hid the truth from him. Hurt, because his Heer hid the whole truth from him, didn't trust him. Angry, because he himself didn't believe his Heer. Lonely, because the two people that he trusted, to come to him with their problems, had failed him today.
The Prem stood there, fighting an inner battle, cursing himself for not being able to prevent the events that had just transpired.
Heer comes to him then, to lend her support...as she always has...as is the way with these two - always there for one another, to share in each other's pain. She can read him like a book; knows his sorrow and the cause of it. As she walks up to him then, his back to her, she can already anticipate his tears. Her predictions confirmed, she slowly, gently inches her hand towards his...a simple gesture of support.
He pulls back then, turning away from her...the deep pain caused by her actions not allowing him to accept her comforting touch; His anger at his own mistrust not allowing him to so much as look in her direction.
His intent not lost on her, she voices her fears..."mujhse naraz ho?"
He retorts, his answer confusing her: "haan, naraz hoon, lekin tumse nahi...apne aap se."
She thinks "mad at yourself for what? the mistake was mine."...."Kyoun, Prem?"
He looks at her then, with a bit of accusation - that was really aimed at himself, and not her...and simply responds, with a cold, "Sorry" - again the coldness of it only due to his anger that was directed inwardly. He softens as he clarifies the reason for his apology, the reason for his anger - "I didn't trust you...didn't understand you"
She places her hand on his shoulder then...unable to see him in such turmoil...unable to see him blaming himself. She attempts to comfort him then, in the way she knows how: by admitting her own mistake...by asking him, to forgive her, instead.
In her confession, she admits to having seen Veera with Rishab...it dawns on him then...she knew, and hid the truth from him...she knew, and didn't find it necessary to tell him - she didn't trust that he would trust her...her ultimate reason for concealing the truth wasn't lost on him either...she knew the truth would hurt him...
She went on, making excuses for retaining the truth, and he cut her off.....Her revelation, her untold reasons for withholding the truth stung...angered and hurt him further...
How could she not trust that he would believe her? How could she not have faith in him?
"Maine bhi socha Heer...pata hai kya? Main is baat pe gussa nahi hoon ki tumne mujhe puri baat nahi batai...main is baat ka zyada dard hai, ki tumhe vishwas nahi tha ki main tumhari baat manounga...samjhounga."
Her waivering faith in their relationship, her distrust in him had hurt him more than her half-truths.
As he voices her reservations, she realizes her mistakes...realizes that she's failed him.
He moves away from her then, finally admitting his anger towards her. Finally admitting that she hurt him, by thinking that he would weigh his relationship with his sister over his relationship with her.
His words come as a cold truth to her then...as she realized the gravity of her mistake and the intensity of his pain. She'd misunderstood him severely.
He collapses under the weight of his pain...and she goes down with him. His pain, his tears too much for her to bare...pain, that she caused...tears, that she could have prevented.
His thoughts turn to his sister now...the little sister that used to come to him with every problem, small or large, every happiness...the sister that he'd held in such high regard, cared so very much for...the sister that today, re-payed him by turning him into a stranger...
Heer understood his hurt then...understood his frustration...her Prem was the caretaker of his family...the one that solved all their problems, kept them from harm...her Prem had failed in his role today, and therefore, failed himself. She understood that...and understood herself to be the cause...she tries to comfort him then...slowly reaches out to him, holds his hand...as his accusation comes harshly towards her: "Tumne bhi vahi kiya Heer..." - You're no different.
He stands then, attempting to remove himself from her, as she clasps his hand more tightly, stopping him in his tracks.
As she comes to face him, he finds it necessary to clarify to her, that for him, their family comes first...even before him. THEIR family. His AND Hers. He goes further to say that he wants them both, to be a part of the family. He understands her so well. She did what she did to prevent his pain, but by the same measure, declared herself an outsider when it came to His Family. He clarified to her then, as the tears rolled down his face, that she was no outsider, but just as much a part of the family as he was...so henceforth, she too, should put the family, THEIR Family...HER Family, before all else. The truth of his words hit her then, as the gravity of her mistakes sets in...her own tears begin to flow.
He reminds her then, that the basis of true love is undying faith and trust. He reminds her then, that she allowed her faith in him, her trust in him to falter.
Unable to take the guilt any longer, she takes his hand in hers, and apologizes again, as the pain of having hurt him tears her apart.
Unable to bare her pain, he takes her hands in his, and reciprocates the apology.
As they both vow never to mistrust one another again, he takes her into his arms, comforting her, and himself...
The moon shines down on the purity of their love, as the doves testify to the depth of it.

This was, by far, the most touching testament to the value of trust in a relationship that I have ever seen. It is also the first time I have seen two people know and understand one another so deeply. It was, absolutely, breathtakingly, heartbreakingly...beautiful.

I was hoping Premeer would have an adult conversation and talk out the misunderstandings. I'm over the moon that it happened as such.
I think a Thank You is in oder to the creatives here, for keeping Prem's character in tact.
The Prem, will never, ever falter.

LOVE,
~Payal~

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Posted: 17 years ago
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excellent analysis di
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i think we should really thank to creatives for keeping prem's character safe. My heer is always there to support prem.
PREM - THE BEST
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Posted: 17 years ago
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ah everything u wrote...i totally agreed on!
its like u captured their inner and outer feeling and wrote it out for us!
i watched some but then had to leave...but now i know what happened and i understand the scene more than i would've if i had watched the whole thing! :P
awesome wrk!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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i agree with you very well written

Originally posted by: silparavindar

its true, simple, passionable,love,care,affection,sadness.....everything yesterday our premeer acted with all these qualities...but today with ur analysis u again did...yesterday i was very angry on dialogue writer as he/she didint give proper dlgs for them. But after i saw ur analysis really its tremendous. Thanks for such a beautiful love.

Edited by pisces26 - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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wow that was one beautiful analysis of Premeer scene...Each and every scene ,every dialogue,evey emotion has been explained so well....I always loved reading your analysis of Premeer scenes..and the way u understand Prem ,Heer and their love is really appreciabble...πŸ‘

Somethig that still confuses me is these dialogues of Prem ,
''Apne Pyar ko bachane ke liye,tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya, Apne pyar mein dard na aa jaaye isliye mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya''
Heer has always considered herself as a part of his family.That is why despite Veera insulting her soo much and not giving a damn to her ,she was hell bound on saving Veera , so that Veera's life doesnt get spoiled ,so that the Juneja's dont face a badnaami when Veera runs away with RR..She even put up with RR's insult...then how can Prem say that
''tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya'' and ''mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya'' ..He understood she didnt tell him cause she didnt want to hurt him but she didnt want to hurt the family either..
Now do I make sense or am I just confused...
Edited by angel82 - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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its true, simple, passionable,love,care,affection,sadness.....everything yesterday our premeer acted with all these qualities...but today with ur analysis u again did...yesterday i was very angry on dialogue writer as he/she didint give proper dlgs for them. But after i saw ur analysis really its tremendous. Thanks for such a beautiful love.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel82

wow that was one beautiful analysis of Premeer scene...Each and every scene ,every dialogue,evey emotion has been explained so well....I always loved reading your analysis of Premeer scenes..and the way u understand Prem ,Heer and their love is really appreciabble...πŸ‘

Somethig that still confuses me is these dialogues of Prem ,
''Apne Pyar ko bachane ke liye,tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya, Apne pyar mein dard na aa jaaye isliye mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya''
Heer has always considered herself as a part of his family.That is why despite Veera insulting her soo much and not giving a damn to her ,she was hell bound on saving Veera , so that Veera's life doesnt get spoiled ,so that the Juneja's dont face a badnaami when Veera runs away with RR..She even put up with RR's insult...then how can Prem say that
''tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya'' and ''mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya'' ..He understood she didnt tell him cause she didnt want to hurt him but she didnt want to hurt the family either..
Now do I make sense or am I just confused...



i am also confused with prem's dialogues. heer did all these to save his family first from getting insulted. then y did prem say these dialogues. these dialogues does not make any sense. please anyone clear this for me
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Originally posted by: angel82

wow that was one beautiful analysis of Premeer scene...Each and every scene ,every dialogue,evey emotion has been explained so well....I always loved reading your analysis of Premeer scenes..and the way u understand Prem ,Heer and their love is really appreciabble...πŸ‘

Somethig that still confuses me is these dialogues of Prem ,
''Apne Pyar ko bachane ke liye,tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya, Apne pyar mein dard na aa jaaye isliye mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya''
Heer has always considered herself as a part of his family.That is why despite Veera insulting her soo much and not giving a damn to her ,she was hell bound on saving Veera , so that Veera's life doesnt get spoiled ,so that the Juneja's dont face a badnaami when Veera runs away with RR..She even put up with RR's insult...then how can Prem say that
''tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya'' and ''mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya'' ..He understood she didnt tell him cause she didnt want to hurt him but she didnt want to hurt the family either..
Now do I make sense or am I just confused...



@ Angel: I see where you're coming from...I promise to come back to this and clarify my perspective...

@ Everyone else: thanks guys, I"ll come back and reply in further detail tomorrow 😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Firstly Payal, Kudos for the wonderful post. πŸ‘ Well said and perfectly put.

You know that scene caught my attention so much that I watched the rerun just to analyse my thoughts. And you explained everything wonderfully.

"In dono ko kisi ki nazar na lag jaye" How well they understand each other!! Earlier we used to talk of how they used to convey so much with their eyes.... Lagta hai ab aankhon se baat dil tak aa gayi hain. πŸ˜‰ ya yeh kahein ki dimag tak aa gayi.

Is it the character of Prem or the acting of HC or a combination of both that make Prem "The Prem"? Great job by HC. You could see the hurt and feel the pain too....... A word of appreciation to AG too. The reflections of her actions, the hurt at Prem's words, the pain when she realises she hurt him, the relief when Prem hugs her........ u go girl!!

As she comes to face him, he finds it necessary to clarify to her, that for him, their family comes first...even before him. THEIR family. His AND Hers. He goes further to say that he wants them both, to be a part of the family. He understands her so well. She did what she did to prevent his pain, but by the same measure, declared herself an outsider when it came to His Family. He clarified to her then, as the tears rolled down his face, that she was no outsider, but just as much a part of the family as he was...so henceforth, she too, should put the family, THEIR Family...HER Family, before all else.

Nice point u made here. For Prem, marraige is a ritual for the whole world to consider her a part of his family. But as a part of Prem, she already is family. When the creatives started Veera-RR track before Prem-Heer's marriage it made me think...... The entire Juneja family accepted Heer as Prem's better half - as she is. But we always saw a glimpse of unacceptance on Veera's part. Maybe the creatives wanted to make Veera also accept Heer as Bhabhi before they made her the bahu of the family. Maybe thats the reason for this drama.....

For Heer, she is part of the Juneja family through Prem. Guess every girl feels this way. But Prem was his family to be her family. What Prem was trying to say was "I am happy if my family is happy. I am sad if they are sad". So please understand that by trying to hide things about my family because I will be sad you will be hurting me.

Great analysis hon. Rock on!!
Love, Paddu

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Posted: 17 years ago
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First of all P...take a bow my deaπŸ‘r...I couldn't wait till you posted this, finally my sleep got the better of me...πŸ˜†.....High time I slept in time...πŸ˜†

Its freakily amazing how we both saw this scene in the same light..Only you put it forth in a much beautiful poem like manner....⭐️

BTW madam, save this post in your file...we don't want to scramble around later, searching for it..rightooo...πŸ˜‰πŸ˜†



Originally posted by: angel82

wow that was one beautiful analysis of Premeer scene...Each and every scene ,every dialogue,evey emotion has been explained so well....I always loved reading your analysis of Premeer scenes..and the way u understand Prem ,Heer and their love is really appreciabble...πŸ‘

Somethig that still confuses me is these dialogues of Prem ,
''Apne Pyar ko bachane ke liye,tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya, Apne pyar mein dard na aa jaaye isliye mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya''
Heer has always considered herself as a part of his family.That is why despite Veera insulting her soo much and not giving a damn to her ,she was hell bound on saving Veera , so that Veera's life doesnt get spoiled ,so that the Juneja's dont face a badnaami when Veera runs away with RR..She even put up with RR's insult...then how can Prem say that
''tumne mere parivar ko nahi bachaya'' and ''mere parivar ko dau pe laga diya'' ..He understood she didnt tell him cause she didnt want to hurt him but she didnt want to hurt the family either..
Now do I make sense or am I just confused...



Angie, let me share the way I see it and I think this is what Prem felt too, because if I were Prem I would feel the same way too...

Heer did want to save his family, BUT not at the cost of giving unhappiness to Prem...She put Prem before their family...She somehow wanted to do it all by herself and protect Prem from the possible pain...She wanted to make everything alright, before Prem ever gets to know about it all...During the whole turmoil, as per her own admittance(She did say it more than once) her main focus HAD been Prem and HIS happiness...And she DID hurt the family by doing so...By not including Prem in her scheme of things, she did hurt the family on the whole....I hate to accept it, but yes she did hurt the family, albeit with all the best of the intentions for them...😭....Not only Heer, IMHO...anybody who tries to hide things away from the most important people, accomplish nothing but hurt the concerned people more and more....That's why I dislike the macho macho BT heroines...Thank God our Heer came off it in no time, without much damage...

I am sure P will come back and share her perspective in a much better manner...

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