Does 'Twilight' Suck The Brains ...Article - Page 2

i agree with everyone here and shadow kisses i get your point but you aren't seeing what harry potter is portraying...your comparing two different characters from two different novels both are science fiction and just created for the mere enjoyment of a reader.....either way both books are fake if bella in your eyes is not an ideal reader likewise hermoine truly isnt either....basically what i am trying to say is you are comparing between these two books just like the author of the article and clearly there is not point and as for the point of twilight there is no point about...yes the typical age group for this book is 10+ same with harry potter.....my point is breaking dawn does not give any messages at all...its just how a reader interprets the book.....

Originally posted by: *~Kaynaat~*

omg!
i disagree wid dem too.
they cant just say dat!
i mean,they didnt start anything like that wid harry potter.
and the author who wrote all that stuff about twilight and that she thinks it sucks,she's just jealous of stephenie and that how much more fame she has then her!
this is just crazy!
these kind of articles are only made just to make news!ugh!
whoever wrote that article has no life.
that author herself cant even write a book like twilight,so she got jealous and helped in making this article.
whoever made this article,alot of people are rlly gonna hate u!!!

😆 suck the brain out that's the most hillarious thing

I agree that Edward isn't unpleasant.

Originally posted by: Mimi_Rani

i agree with everyone here and shadow kisses i get your point but you aren't seeing what harry potter is portraying...your comparing two different characters from two different novels both are science fiction and just created for the mere enjoyment of a reader.....either way both books are fake if bella in your eyes is not an ideal reader likewise hermoine truly isnt either....basically what i am trying to say is you are comparing between these two books just like the author of the article and clearly there is not point and as for the point of twilight there is no point about...yes the typical age group for this book is 10+ same with harry potter.....my point is breaking dawn does not give any messages at all...its just how a reader interprets the book.....

there is no point in twilight books or harry potter.....both are similar in ways...its just how you see things...and neither of the books teach you anything rather they keep you from doing things without thinking about them....i do hope you understand what i am trying to say....

sukhi :)

I understand what you're saying and I respect your opinion but I disagree that books are meant only for the enjoyment of readers. Books always have something to say. They always have an underlying message, for some books, it takes a while to figure it out but it's there. Every author sends a message through their book. Their opinion is shown through events/character actions and such. I've grown up with Harry Potter. It does send a message. The Potter series sends the message, through characters such as Severus & Dumbledore and the way the narrative point of view shifts, that not every thing is black and white, that there are shades of grey, too. It highlights the topic of discrimination, albeit in a different way, through pure-blood supremacy. It teaches us that it's our choices, not our abilities, which define what we are. It shows that love goes beyond the grave, as illustrated by Snape and Harry; that love is something that conquers all – this is reiterated through every book – be it by the Malfoys, who love each other more than serving under the Dark Lord, or by Ron – whose love for Harry and Hermione brings him back. These are just a few themes the book talks about not including the religious subtext! As for Twilight, the only themes I can justify are: the theme of loving someone who is from a different social circle; of self-control; of not talking things at face value.

Books do have an impact on people's thinking just like movies – a source of entertainment – a fact which is displayed by RDB. Breaking Dawn, in essence, sends the message that if you believe you love a guy at the age of 18, drop out of college, get married, and have kids. Even if it doesn't, per say teach the message, it definitely popularizes the idea of getting married early, dropping out of college and having kids very early in a positive light. In B.D., the author sends the message through Edward, who becomes a doormat to Queen Bella's tantrums, that blind devotion and love is the same thing. Realistically, they aren't. Loving someone doesn't mean giving them reign to walk all over you if it makes them happy. Love includes guiding them towards something that could benefit them more. But B.D. illustrates that if you love someone; let them have what they want without exception.

I'm not comparing both books – that would be extremely unfair because a) they are of different genres; b) the Twilight series fan base is largely female and c) Rowling is more experienced as an author. I'm comparing the characters of Bella and Hermione, who are similar. I never said that Hermione is an ideal role model – simply because the definition of ideal varies from person to person – but she is a better role model than Bella because she is very lifelike. Hermione has *character flaws*. She's not outrageously stunning or sexy unlike Bella, who has the hottest guys dropping at her feet. Hermione has uneven teeth, her hair is often compared to a dead beaver and she can be annoyingly bossy but this is what makes her SO much more appealing. She's like an average teenager with flaws but this adds to her appeal, IMO. It shows that you don't have to be perfect or good-looking to be a good/loyal/nice/smart person. Bella is a Mary Sue. She has no flaws. I thought I was reiterating that very clearly... Bella is shown to be shallow in Twilight. Throughout Twilight, there are several references to the fact that Edward is hot. We get it. He's hot. What about his other characteristics? Little is mentioned. She is weak – especially in New Moon, where she yearns for Edward. The way Hermione's character has been described – it is hard to picture her as weak. Ron's apparent departure and swinging back in had a strong impact on Hermione but she didn't become a zombie. Also, she didn't just go crying into his arms simply because he was heroic or because he returned. She treated Ron coldly and refused to accept his apologies, which is more than what anyone can say for Bella. Bella doesn't hold a candle to Hermione. Hermione is the more developed, more believable and stronger (more non-damsel-in-distress) character, hands down. Yes, she has her flaws but these make her more believable, more human than Bella, who has no flaws and is Super!Bella by the end of the series.

Cheers, Anu.

Sometimes, I can't decide between Twilight and HP, but I think I like HP better by teensy bit.

The writers just jealous of Stephenie, because he/she can't write stuff that makes people like him/her, instead gets people hating on them!

Originally posted by: ShadowKisses

Seriously people, calm down. Just like you have the right to like the book and not be called stupid for your opinion, the lady in the article has the right to dislike the book and not be called stupid for her opinion. It's a free world.

Whoever said that the lady in question wouldn't be able to write something like Twilight - obviously, you haven't read fanfiction of Twilight. Breaking Dawn is EXACTLY like the 1000+ fanfictions out there where Bella+Edward get married, have a baby, Bella drops out of college and live freakishly happy ever after.

And to someone who said that Bella is an ideal 18 year old - you joking? Bella went to a crappier college just so she could be near her beloved. She dropped out of college just to get married/raise a baby. Are these the values and morales you want to instill in your children? 😕 You want them popping out kids before they are even 20, dropping out of college, having no career simply because they *love* this seemingly "perfect" guy? That's heartwarming to know. Hermione is a better role model, because despite having *character flaws* like being extremely bossy sometimes bordering on annoying (very believable, IMO!), she's capable of taking care of herself and packing a powerful slap unlike damsel-in-distress Bella who usually is very dependant on Edward/Jacob and needs to be rescued.

[quote=Asha004]*Firstly,yes there may be sci-fi books for us to be reading,as it improves our knowledge about the wrold...blah,blah,blah...I'm not disagreeing witht hat matter....but one has to agree with me whn I say that when it comes down to reading a well-written book,with an extraordinary plot that binds the reader from the very fist sentece all the way through...how amny books are actually there that do this?Many of them consist of the samo samo plot summaries...so it gets tedious and boring...but the Twilight series they are definitely something else....yes,they do consist of the mythical creatures such as warewolves and vampires,but these creatures have a different appeal about them...the reason these books r so enticing😛[/quote]

I agree that reading shouldn't be all sci-fi. Reading is recreational, IMO. Oh, there are MANY books and some GREAT fanfictions that have an extraordinary plot, are extremely well-written and have believable characters and IMO, are better than Twilight in many aspects. These are a few examples among many:

The Historian Reading Lolita in Tehran The Time Traveler's Wife Atonement Vampire Chronicles
• Fanfics written by atruwriter - you can go no wrong with her and they are VERY captivating, have an extraordinary plot and are very well-written. The most important thing - they delve into the mindset of every character and this is what contributes towards the appeal

Want me to go on?😛 Plus, save the first book, there is no "GREAT" plot in the books - that makes you go, WOW!! Why didn't I think of that? Bella and Edward are Mr and Mrs. Mary Sue. Good writers make the effort to not submit to their Ego to Mary Sue-ism or make characters that have no character flaws. This is often done by FanFiction writers but both JKR (admittedly, not as bluntly as SM, however) and SM have proved that Mary Sue's exist in canon as well.

[quote=Asha004]*For the lady who said "Edward is a complete prig!":Are you just being jealous because you haven't seem to found the complete prig in your previous boyfriends?I agree,it's not something that everyone is going to have...and when u say that girls are going to want these qualities in their boyfriends...well,let's look at it this way....differnt gilrs favor differnt things...but I don't think many of the young ladies who do read these books are ignorant enough to think there is really such a guy as Edward Cullen out there...because it does seem irrational...in fact,these kinds of guys only seem good in these books...he the epitomy of perfection,but if u ask me most of us would get really annoyed having to deal with someone that perfect...I wouldn't be able to handle it...I'd get irritated😆😆So...let's leave Edward Cullen's perfection out of this...as there is NO guy alive to match Edward's perfection....it just won't ever happen😉 [/quote]

[quote=TFD]Definition of "prig": A person who demonstrates an exaggerated conformity or propriety, especially in an irritatingly arrogant or smug manner.

Synonyms: snob, snoot, snot.

Related Words: disagreable person, unpleasant person

Source: TFD [/quote]

I don't think she'd exactly be jealous for not having found a complete prig in her previous boyfriends😛. Clarification ah, it's a wonderful thing.

Edward's fault lies in the fact that he's perfect. He's a perfect example of a Gary Stu - he's under-developed, appears one-dimensional and has NO character flaws. He is the epitome of bad writing and a wishfulfilment hero. He is perfect - and like you said, it just won't ever happen. His jealousy could have been a character flaw - but it's NEVER used against him. Despite being a vampire, he looks like a human, and thus, should have character flaws (not saying that he shouldn't have character flaws if he doesn't look human) but oh no, Meyer's wishfulfilment hero is faultless.