Dhurandhar 2 Reviews with spoilers!!!! - Page 40

Originally posted by: VeritasVincit

@EkPaheli : I know it's explained, I guess I couldn't reconcile his backstory because of preconceived notions I had from part 1 flashbacks. It seemed triggered by vengeance he had from an injustice meted out from a key piece of history that his family endured as a result. 1984 was an example, he'd be too young then but something along those lines.

You're right though, it would have been too much to weave in.

I didn't expect it to be a land dispute.. like you said though, it makes his sacrifice that more selfless.

Succinctly put: "Balidaan Parmo Dharma" which sums it up.

And therein lies the difference between him and Pinda who were both resentful of the injustice meted out but took diametrically different paths. I liked the scene where Pinda orders him not to speak. Ranveer played that meek part so well- and effortlessly weaved into Hamza, how observant he was, blending into the background but keeping his eyes open. Like how he goes onto to observe the cook's demeanor.

His walking away at the end reminded me of that scene from Umrao Jaan where she shuts the gate leaving her mother. Entirely different circumstance but a lifetime has gone by and they're not the same person.

Jasmine Sandlas was saying they recorded Jaiye Sajana on the day of the music launch, a day prior to release which means Dhar was shifting and adding things till the last minute. I wish he'd given the beginning chapter and some other pieces more thought.

I was quite glad to be transported back to the Lyari world with Akhri Ishq playing at the funeral. And the ride the audience got taken for in latter half was worth it.

Another thing I thought a little corny was the naming of the chapter in part 1, Et Tu Brutus.

Very Tarantino-esque but gives away what it is to happen. Minor gripe though, I can be overtly critical over things I love, it's my toxic love language.

1984 would’ve made everything too messy by incorporating too many subplots - they’d have had to make his parents a lot more prominent to influence him, probably add a few other characters like neighbours, distant relatives, friends etc. as well. So avoiding it was for the best as it would’ve affected the length, the narrative simultaneously and he already had 8 hours of footage with no real idea of how it would fare.

They also wouldn’t want to take the focus away from Jaskirat too much. That’s why we don’t see a lot of his birth family and later his family with Yalina. There are bits and pieces to tell us how it was but the story couldn’t focus too much on either of his families as essentially he’s supposed to be a lone wolf.

Yep, Jassi and Pinda grew up around the same circumstances definitely. So what made them different was their upbringing and reaction owing to the same. Jassi grew up in a family with a soldier for a father while we know Pinda’s dad was a drug dealer who had ties with people like Ahmed. They were both ultimately headed down these paths from the very beginning. The parents probably didn’t interact much but they didn’t stop the boys from getting along and becoming friends as well. They were all in the same area after all and probably neither set of parents felt it was necessary to poison the kids with their own venom so early on. We know in that scene in the MLA’s home, Tittu even says we played together as he’s pleading to be spared despite what might have been an ongoing land dispute even back then. That’s what makes the tragedy worse - the atrocities were conducted by people known to the Rangis, these boys had played with each other and grew up together yet one of them felt no hesitation to do what he did to the family of a friend and all for land.

Yeah, they were shooting in late January with Arjun and Dutt for their scene and the scene where Dutt is cussing at that reporter. One of the Aari Aari singers called Sudhir Yaduvanshi gave an interview to Faridoon Shahyrar and said he recorded the song in late February and that they tweaked it a couple of times.

My guess is somehow it has gotta do with T Series acquiring the music rights only after the first part released in December. I think the news came in January.

We know Dhar has used music to his advantage from the classics to the pop numbers of late 90s and early 2000s for many high stakes sequences. Once T Series outbid Sa Re Ga Ma, they had to use their catalog which is why they were delayed despite the patch work that was shot late in January. That is definitely a factor. If Jio had allowed Sa Re Ga Ma to continue or just had brought T Series onboard from day one this may have been avoided. But I guess initially T Series decided not to care about being associated with the project but when they saw the first part was so big that the second was bound to be bigger, they wanted in. Jio obviously didn’t mind making more money.

They couldn’t edit without the music, and could start the process only after they had a confirmation regarding who won the bidding war. They were probably preparing their album with Sa Re Ga Ma as label in mind, then they had to go through the T Series catalog which is humongous, they were short on time and they needed to see which songs worked best with the scenes. And that also affected the number of original songs they included in this album which is definitely more than the previous one. So even if Jasmine and the other singers and lyricists had some stuff prepared, it may have not been approved or suitable for this particular movie and the sequences in it.

And post the editing too they had CBFC to deal with which ironically has no qualms to let us see people getting decapitated but draws the line at cuss words in a movie aimed for adults.

The next time around Dhurandhar happens or something else by Dhar which is to be divided into multiple movies, I think he would be prepared and ensure that the same hectic madness doesn’t befall him and his team. The label would be asked to stick for however many movies are planned and the production house like Jio would be also asked to not start a bidding war in between movies. Dhar has now enough leverage and clout as a director, producer and writer that he can get this in the contracts in the initial stage itself. Here he was blindsided for sure by T Series suddenly showing an interest when it didn’t before the success of the first movie which made them greedy.

Originally posted by: roni_berna

I watched Dhurandhar the Revenge today, and all the seats except the front seats were booked. Overall, I did enjoy the movie, even though it was noticeably more brutal and violent than Part 1. Some scenes were quite disturbing, with extreme violence, beheadings, and a lot of abusive language and even a few obscene moments.

That said, the film still manages to entertain as the story is engaging, though not as tightly executed as it could have been. Compared to Part 1, I felt the songs weren’t as memorable as the title track and the famous Khus Khus scene was repeated but this time Hamza didn’t dance like Rehman did and plus, it wasn’t so impactful. Rasputin was the only song I enjoyed so much.

The biggest issue for me was how the film tried to mix reality with fiction. Some references, like demonetisation and fake currency, were obvious as hints were there in part 1. The scenes where people were being killed back-to-back, and nobody suspected Hamza, were unrealistic, as some were even taking his advice, and Khanani was shown alone with 60k crores.

There were also a few illogical plot points. For example, Hamza’s father-in-law being revealed as a RAW agent was a great twist and everyone cheered in the end, but his actions before that didn’t quite make sense. If he had such a great influence in politics and even met someone like Dawood years back, he only made him “sick” instead of ending him? It showed that he was ultimately responsible for so many attacks in India as D was the master mind. What Hamza’s FIL couldn’t do in 45 years, Hamza managed to do in 15 years?

Some scenes were unintentionally funny too, like when Hamza is brutally beaten and tortured by Major with chains and all, he ends up only with two cuts on his face. Also, Sara Arjun had barely any role in this movie. She atleast had a song last time.

However, Ranveer Singh was very good, especially in the opening scenes that showed his past and reason for being chosen. That part was very emotional. But I didn’t like why they showed his friend being partners with the enemy and threatening Hamza in the end. Felt bad for Uzair Baloch like poor guy didn’t understand anything till the end lol

One thing that was missing was a powerful villain, as Major’s character wasn’t so great. The movie was still great compared to other movies that have no head and tail.

I also missed the second post-credit scene.

Overall: 4/5

I share the same views ..

But from what I understand of the story , they tried to mix fiction with reality , at the same time , present us a larger than life picture of spies , raw & the control it has over their ecosystem ..now it can be fictional or it can be real , your guess is as good as mine ..😅

Jameel jamali might be inspired by some politician of lyari but the impact his identity created in the end was the crux of it all..they would never know the extent raw penetrated in their system, if we plant a doubt in their mind tht their top politicians , army officers or isi agents r actually working for india , imagine the mess it can create in their minds & bring joy to ours🤣 ....now they may not be indian agents as such , they make be pakistanis who became agents for money or any other reason...

2000s was different but in today's time , I dont think their population even cares for religion jihad nationalism or anything..they just want money, itne phakad hue pade hain..thats what we learn from dhurandhar 1 to 2 ..its across the span of 20-25 years ..our govt & intelligence agencies tried to dismantle their terror network, disrupt the financing networks & gather international support for our cause ..in d1 , mr sanyal talks abt a plan to isolate paki & stop funding frm gc, in d2 , they manage to do it & it takes them 15-20 yrs ..may be thats the reason they cud u know , exert that much power over isi & order them to send humza back...in real life we did manage to bring some of our officers back, while some r still in their jails..

Ofc it can be cinematic liberties too ..we want our hero to win , we dont want him.to take wrong steps , we want him to eliminate his targets & come bk home safely as a hero ..we want to see our nation our intelligence glorified ...who doesn't want?

I abs agree that the last part of war type scenario in muridke was overstrerched & illogical ..sp with major iqbal ..if he had to kill all of them.just plant a bomb or something , those 20 mins really tested my patience ...the message is he got them killed or killed them..that was enuf ..we didnt even know who was fighting whom ..khanani bros also , humza kills him while hes alone , and sets fire to his factory ..he did everything that a spy wouldn't..they work covertly ...

The bit with dawood is also a long shot ..we can feel happy thinking hes crippled somewhere in the streets of karachi🤣 hai ya nai who cares!

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Originally posted by: GIFwati02

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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

@bold - those two bits are the finest pieces of acting by Ranveer across the two movies IMO. These bits especially make me want to watch the movie again especially the shed scene because we know Ranveer irl is so happy go lucky, sorta crazy fun dude and here in these two scenes he’s completely silent; not a single word but his eyes, his reactions and acting do all the talking.

I can’t remember a hero crying where I noticed his lips were trembling, like it happens irl when we want to weep but the sob just doesn’t make it out of us, we can’t make that noise in the shed scene and I was like what has this man done! Then the way he’s hesitant when he’s entering absolutely scared of the state he might find his sister in and she hears someone coming, she’s petrified. In any other movie the sister on seeing her brother coming to rescue her would’ve called his name or addressed him as Bhai or Veer if an elder brother or whatever the regional term is.. but here she screams… and the screams are so gut wrenching and painful. Her trauma is so very evident without a single word. The way he’s slowly coming towards her as he breaks down into tears himself is par excellence. Especially when you contradict it with the previous sequence which is next best per me - the whole Aari Aari sequence. He goes from absolute unhinged beast mode to this. In that sequence my favourite part happens in that small dingy room with the two guys he’s fighting when he’s using that sword to kill both of them simultaneously. You see his eyes are so feral, like he’s frothing at the mouth but the veins on his head are what got to me - it was like he was genuinely so into that scene that it made his veins pop. You can’t look away if you tried because there’s something so raw and real about him there.

Those 2 scenes make him an undisputable talent, not just someone who can be trolled for his commitment to "method acting".

Major credit to Dhar for showcasing every aspect of his physicality, from his hair flip, man bun to his limp at end during Phir se.

Last time I remember his physicality being part of his act was in Lootera where even his chafed, damaged lips were part of his performance.

Unintentionally, it's only ever been a Ranveer film I've seen more than once at the pictures. 1st time was to see his act as Bajirao and for their pairing. His Marathi accent and to be able to pull it off consistently.

And then D1, and if I can get tickets that are not front row, I'll watch D2 again, soon.

If not for anything for your description of chapter 1 which is now growing on me.

@EkPaheli, thanks for explaining. Dhar and Jyoti alluded at multiple hardships to get part 2 rolling. How unscrupulous of Jio, T-Series I had no expectations from.

Hope they doob maro like Mukta Arts and countless others.

Love how Dhar is living up to the message in the film and continuing down his path without any expectations of rewards.

Here people are giving interview after interview on his behalf: RGV for eg. Hope he also doesn't respond to KJo's review, although he has graciously responded to all.

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On that note, the sitar music from Phir se has seeped into my system like the melancholy flute music from Akhri Ishq.

Such a contrasting note to end the movie, far from the departure that "Naaz o andaaz se kehte hain ke jeene Hoga", which was not only interactive that you could sing along to but utterly badarse.

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Originally posted by: VeritasVincit

Those 2 scenes make him an undisputable talent, not just someone who can be trolled for his commitment to "method acting".

Major credit to Dhar for showcasing every aspect of his physicality, from his hair flip, man bun to his limp at end during Phir se.

Last time I remember his physicality being part of his act was in Lootera where even his chafed, damaged lips were part of his performance.

Unintentionally, it's only ever been a Ranveer film I've seen more than once at the pictures. 1st time was to see his act as Bajirao and for their pairing. His Marathi accent and to be able to pull it off consistently.

And then D1, and if I can get tickets that are not front row, I'll watch D2 again, soon.

If not for anything for your description of chapter 1 which is now growing on me.

It’s his career best performance. Some peeps are calling it the Sholay of our generation and they’re so right. Every aspect of this movie will be studied be it in terms of acting to the technical aspects.

What makes Ranveer’s performance par excellence is also we see him as a man crying in scenes despite being such a hardened man. The shed scene, the climax, of course the phone call with Yalina and the two photo burning scenes. In all of them, he’s crying but somehow you can feel the weight of each of them in a different way when he’s absolutely silent. There’s no sobbing sounds or anything coming out of him either. In the second photo burning scene he’s also somehow looking visibly older, broken - not just courtesy of the injuries but the way he’s slumping and looks drained. Like he never knew he had more left to lose and yet it’s happening and there’s nothing he can do.

I think one scene that’s not getting mentioned enough is the way he reacts in the bathroom right after he kills Pinda and of course when he confides in Aalam what happened. He has killed so many people by then but you see how this accidental murder has shaken him. He killed his childhood friend, his BIL in his own home right after he got to be himself briefly for the first time in over a decade. You would think a man like him wouldn’t be capable of feeling anxious, panic, shock and horror; not at that point but it happens because he’s not Hamza but Jaskirat there and he’s done the unthinkable. He has killed a childhood best friend, he has killed the man who was his family and looking after the family he left behind.

Having to kill Aalam, the closest thing he had found to a friend, a brother even though it was meant to save him later from torture is why he needs to drink. He has to take a hold of himself even as he’s falling apart within.

The way he closes his eyes tightly after Yalina calls him Jaskirat… we can’t say if he knew beforehand this would be their final call or not, we don’t know if he meant this, his real name when he said he would want to hear her say his name one last time but the way his eyes close when she does - his real name - not Hamza - because he was reaching out to his wife there; not the part of the cover but the woman he fell in love with and created a family with; that’s crazily more romantic even though it’s heartbreaking and a farewell than full fledged romance movies that have come out in the past couple of years. They’re not even having a long heart to heart conversation there - it’s mostly her crying and him letting her sob her heart out as it’s all he can do for her. He can’t be there for her physically, never again, if this is all he can give his wife, the mother of his child - he shall do it. He can let her sob without making it about himself. There’s no questions and answers there regarding what went down there or how he is - that call is all about her. He gives her what he can in those final moments they have together - the comfort to cry, the acceptance of her fear and the understanding of what she must be feeling as well as the declaration of his love by giving her his real name, recalling how she had said that Hamza wouldn’t even be his real name when she found out he’s a spy. He gave her the truth then but withheld this part of himself even then - that was not the time or the place to it - not after he explained why he had to do what he did. He appealed to her rationale and also to the mother within her when he mentioned the killing of Baloch kids. He couldn’t ask more of her after that, but this was their last moment together in a way.. and he couldn’t leave without giving her this piece of himself. Even amidst everything he had to go through and did; all that must be running through his mind he remembered her accusation regarding his name and gave her exactly that proving he was always listening to her, he always remembered what she said and he provided her what she wanted when he could if he could. It’s no wonder that this particular scene is going so viral. It’s portrayed romance and heartbreak simultaneously in a way that tugs at your heart and wants to make you cry, while you hope against hope that these two reunite somehow as their love is genuinely true. From conversations regarding their age gap to this.. it’s all about the writing, the acting, chemistry and execution.

Reading all the appreciation about his acting, my heart is just full..Have stuck to him since Lootera...Briefly experienced the highs during the 2018-19 but after that it was just humiliation, insults and unwarranted bashing....Now I am kind of disillusioned, except when it comes from people like you who are genuinely onboard for his acting...So, thank you guys for all the love and appreciation.

Originally posted by: VeritasVincit

@EkPaheli, thanks for explaining. Dhar and Jyoti alluded at multiple hardships to get part 2 rolling. How unscrupulous of Jio, T-Series I had no expectations from.

Hope they doob maro like Mukta Arts and countless others.

Love how Dhar is living up to the message in the film and continuing down his path without any expectations of rewards.

Here people are giving interview after interview on his behalf: RGV for eg. Hope he also doesn't respond to KJo's review, although he has graciously responded to all.

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On that note, the sitar music from Phir se has seeped into my system like the melancholy flute music from Akhri Ishq.

Such a contrasting note to end the movie, far from the departure that "Naaz o andaaz se kehte hain ke jeene Hoga", which was not only interactive that you could sing along to but utterly badarse.

I mean, Jio let Netflix bid for part 1 thinking they’d recover money but the moment it got big they used their own OTT platform Hotstar to bid for the rights of part 2. It wouldn’t surprise me if they announce a bidding war for the 2nd part’s international OTT rights and try to get Amazon Prime and Netflix to go against each other for the same since Hotstar is not a global OTT platform. Of course, if in a decade or so they roll out globally, they’ll not renew the contracts for these streaming rights with these services when they expire eventually so as to retain them in their own library.

T Series also made them more greedy as it understood that it wanted a piece of this pie for sure after the absolutely phenomenal reaction and success of the first album. Had they and Jio had more faith in the movies from day one all this nonsense would’ve been avoided but it is what it is.

Dhar is smart, he’s letting his success do the talking. He didn’t have any huge promotional campaigns for either of the movies pre release, it makes sense if he appears anywhere now it would seem like he ducked out before when he wasn’t sure of the reception for the first part and avoided the usual suspects out of some high handed arrogance prior to the release of the second one. He’s here now to blow his own horn. Silence is the best thing for him atm. He may give some interviews eventually but I think it will be a couple of weeks later or even months.

I think he will respond to as many people as possible, not to sorta start a bonhomie with them but as a courtesy and as it is, the SM responses are much better if he can avoid them physically where he has to fake being nice and smile and all to appear polite and civilised. He can be replying back to these people lounging in shorts in his home and no one could say anything.

My personal favourite tune of the whole album is the flute one from Aakhri Ishq, it’s captivated me like nothing else.