Dhurandhar 2 - The meltdown has begun - Page 31

Just reacting to your first line:

"First of all, relax. You’re getting anxious over someone who doesn’t know you."

First - I'm relaxed... I just protest against generalizing, meaning: only because there are a lot of violent and criminal men doesn't mean that all men are violent and criminal.

Second - I'm not getting "anxious"...again, I just protest where I see unfairness and prejudice (and I don't and didn't call you "Islamophobe" - it's a label/term I don't support).

Third - He very well knows me...

So happy that you point at this fact this way ... I would have liked to do the same but with all the trolling I get from Muslim-haters (and their inability to distinguish and endeavour to generalize), I didn't write about it. I just once pointed to the fact that it had been the ruling people that accepted terrorism flourishing in their country.

Well, if he knows you, I stand corrected on that point; and I still stand by my statements made earlier.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Gandhi wanting something or not is irrelevant. He did as his British masters bid and they wanted this partition for sure.

That man is one of the worst things that has happened to this country.

bold: this is not the place to discuss Gandhi and what his part is in how the partition happened. But I know for a fact that politics often change/try to change narrations relative to history including charismatic persons - to the better or the worse (depending on the politics) - especially through education material, films, books and speeches... So, it would depend on your sources and my sources and the own thinking, I suppose.

Originally posted by: Clochette

bold: this is not the place to discuss Gandhi and what his part is in how the partition happened. But I know for a fact that politics often change/try to change narrations relative to history including charismatic persons - to the better or the worse (depending on the politics) - especially through education material, films, books and speeches... So, it would depend on your sources and my sources and the own thinking, I suppose.

Yep. Not the place to discuss him.

All I will say is, the more I learn about him the worse he gets IMO.

Originally posted by: Clochette

bold: this is not the place to discuss Gandhi and what his part is in how the partition happened. But I know for a fact that politics often change/try to change narrations relative to history including charismatic persons - to the better or the worse (depending on the politics) - especially through education material, films, books and speeches... So, it would depend on your sources and my sources and the own thinking, I suppose.

gandhi caused so many riots. That’s a fact! Go research your own country nazi history before you lecture others.

Originally posted by: InsaneDivine

Haven't still watched the part 2 but I came across this interesting perspective by Rahul Roshan.. For long liberals (or whatever one may want to call them) held this view that it's not the common Pakistanis but the ruling elite that sponsors terrorism. Their people are just like our people.. Doesn't Dhurandhar show the same thing.. ?? These people Major Iqbal, the gangs, the military establishment, government - aren't the the ruling class which is being shown as the sponsors of terrorism and crime within Pakistan and in India.. ?? So why this cry baby attitude ?? Did Aditya Dhar show common Pakistanis burning Indian flags, did he show Pakistanis breaking Hindu temples and idols, did he show Hindu girls being abducted, raped and converted... Did he show their crying parents and courts ordering not to return these girls to their parents ?? No, he did not show all of that.. It happens but he did not show it.. He only showed the ruling class to be bad .. So ideally there shouldn't be any problem...

Don’t you see. The problem is now being attributed to Americans.

Matlab inkey fully grown adults can be bought and brainwashed into Islamic terrorism / extremism. But wait. We are speaking of elites at the same time. What a conundrum.

As you pointed out, Dhar could not show all the ugliness. Their mass killings of Minorities would be a movie that would show way more tragedy than even Kashmir files.

This is why Dhurandhar metldown is happening. Absolute denial to face reality shown in the movie that is targeting the proven terrorism activity taken by Pakistan against India.

Movie dekh leeya ? I am waiting to see it a third time for more meltdown moments that will come up.

Originally posted by: Clochette

So happy that you point at this fact this way ... I would have liked to do the same but with all the trolling I get from Muslim-haters (and their inability to distinguish and endeavour to generalize), I didn't write about it. I just once pointed to the fact that it had been the ruling people that accepted terrorism flourishing in their country.

Ermmm... No that's not what I wrote.. I said forced conversion of minor girls, temple desecration, idol breaking, burning of Indian flags etc etc... happen in Pakistan, done by common people, either facilitated or turned a blind eye to by the ruling class, but the film does not show it.. The film kept its focus limited to the ruling class - ISI, Politicians, gangsters, terrorists, as per the reviewer I quoted, since I have still not watched the second part ... Since the liberal faction has always been of this opinion that only the ruling elite is the problem, the film should not be a problem for them.. In my view, however the common masses of Pakistan and well as the ruling class ranging from politicians, to military to their maulvis all are deeply problematic and a pain in the neck for India.. I am not someone who limits by criticism to the ruling class only. I very much extend it to the social and religious fabric of Pakistani society..

didn't want to jump in.

but all political parties in today's time are the same. they only want to earn money for themselves, live a lavish life and become powerful. they don't want to work for the nation. they want to be rich.

compared to today's politicians MK Gandhi, Nehru were legends. Gandhiji is not called father of the nation for no reason. he earned it. he was not just a politician, he was freedom fighter. better not to insult him in every thread. yes nobody is perfect. he might have some faults but way better than today's politicians.

Originally posted by: Cynical1

Don’t you see. The problem is now being attributed to Americans.

Matlab inkey fully grown adults can be bought and brainwashed into Islamic terrorism / extremism. But wait. We are speaking of elites at the same time. What a conundrum.

As you pointed out, Dhar could not show all the ugliness. Their mass killings of Minorities would be a movie that would show way more tragedy than even Kashmir files.

This is why Dhurandhar metldown is happening. Absolute denial to face reality shown in the movie that is targeting the proven terrorism activity taken by Pakistan against India.

Movie dekh leeya ? I am waiting to see it a third time for more meltdown moments that will come up.

Nai .. I will watch it on OTT... But that's what I am saying ... Even in the first part, the movie does not at all talk about the Pakistani society, although those people who turn into terrorists are not aliens ... They come from within that society.....

The only other funny criticism I have seen of this movie is that it's hyper masculine... Yaar woh ladne gaya hai ...... woh aadmi maarega nahi toh kya karega...