Naagin 7: Episode Discussion Thread #2 - Page 81

Agreed. Arya keeps ignoring Radhika when he wasn't literally dying to see her since 5 long years. This girl Roma aka Nibedita pal did everything in bekaboo to get Ranav aka Shalin Bhanot but here her character doesn't have that much screen space

Hahaha, bechari bas sirf impersonation je liye he reh gayi hai jaise lol

Yeah sure you are the most logical person on this forum or in the whole world huh?

And you're the who was talking about strong and objectionable language huh ? When you lack in manners severely and all your post replies are basically tasteless attacks on other's people's opinions on a tv show and you think you're cool and rational !!

Maybe some self introspection first ??

Oh, you did ??? Please quote the text where you called his actions condemnable before we called you out through our replies that you're victim blaming ??

you didn't condemn him. You supported his crimes . Aryaman is not complex. He's boring monotonous and uninteresting.

Care to read this- What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable

And this- What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

But I said give me a quote where you called him condemnable before I quoted you and you couldn't, hence proving my point. You basically went on backfoot and called his actions condemnable when your pov was called out as defending a predator , but not before and not on your own.

Yeah I agree with your point on his character being boring as I have already stated that he's a Radhika Bhakt and alcoholic too so where's the disagreement here or supporting his crimes huh?

You do realize what you just said is absolutely horribly misogynist?? A woman should do this.. a woman should do that.. Eff that ! Why is it on women to protect themselves and not on men to be decent human beings ?

Funny you keep saying we're starting a gender war when you're the one putting woman on a gender biased box and juding her based on why she didn't act accordingly , so its you who is looking to find excuse for your favorite character, looking at woman through absolutely outdated and obsolete and wrong gender colored lenses.

And no , my answer is no. Your logical answer to the question you asked ( funny you provided a default " logical answer " which is the worst illogical take possible and how you decided this must be the logical course to take. ) is that why should she leave ?? Why ? I wouldn't. No woman should and would leave. Why are you calling it date ? She stayed because when Aryaman saw he's been caught he quickly pretended that he came with an intention to befriend her and she was curious to see what's he trying to do here. It's not her fault for not thinking the lowest of him. She thought he'd be a gentleman when he's not. That's on him, not on her .

So , your take is wrong and biased. No woman should run in a similar scenario unless the man is a known predator.

Seriously-Misogynistic.So if someone points out the flaws in a woman's character irrespective of whether she's a Naagin or not that's misogynistic.I know what's Patriarchy or Misogyny all right.

No one said anything about a woman's character can not be brought under criticism. Ahana gets criticised all the time and for good reason and I partake in that.

But you blamed her for being in a situation where her only fault was to consider Aryaman to be a gentleman and also you brought her so called flaws up to defend or even justify what Aryaman did. If you can not see how using a woman's flaw in a specific situation where her dignity and honor was endangered to cover up the man involved is problematic and plain wrong , no one can make you see that. So I'm not even gonna try.

If I had stated that Ahana should only listen to her husband now whether its Arya or Vikram regarding her life's choices then that would be misogynistic.Watch the Aarambhi show to know what exactly Misogyny is all right?

So as per your logic Aryamaan did not send any SMS for a date from Vikram's cellphone.Then what was that huh?

What do you mean even ??? I clearly said he sent the sms and Ahana even caught that . Talk about glossing over posts in a hurry to reply !!

Also , could you perhaps stop putting words in my mouth ?? " As per your logic..." then add something I neither said nor implied.

Men should change for the women agreed whole-heartedly but it applies vice versa also right.

I don't know what comments you have heard regarding some other women and I do wish that such views are either stopped or the mindset gets changed.The society has no doubt opened up but everything else takes some time for the required change.

Neither me nor anybody else here would support misogynistic views on women however when I had stated that a woman would run away from fake dates I think it was from a security and logical perspective right.

Funny you're thinking from a security and logical perspective when coming up with most illogical solutions. So because Ahana has a finacenor bf , she can not have dinner with another man ?? Even when he said it's a white flag waving thing ? So basically all women should always regard all men with suspicion when alone with them and you literally said women should run in the opposite direction. I hope this is not your real opinion. Because its really bleak and suffocating and insulting for both men and women to treat each other like that.

If you wanna label every flaws regarding a criticism of a fictional female character as misogyny then I have nothing more to say bcoz it would be like banging a head against the wall huh.

You wanna label Arya a Predator-Go ahead please.

So if a fictional character shows a problematic trait that everyone can see is infact wrong and problematic, one can not even call that out ?? Just because he's hot and a so called ML? Is that what you're saying ? If you're not, then what problem do you have for people calling out a classic predator move from a man. It was almost text book example of one , with how he preplanned everything with a sinister motive. It reminded me of the famous Pak drama Case no. 9 first episode. Similar planning and scenrio.

She didn't go on a date. Again you're completely victim blaming to deflect blame from the man. She stayed back for the dinner and a conversation. You trying to call it a date is wrong and manipulative tactics to blame shift from the predator to the victim. Classic case of victim blaming.

" She shouldn't have taken lift in a car with only a man . She should have known better. "

"She shouldn't have gone inside his house with him knowing it's empty , to accept his invitation for a coffee. "

I've seen, heard and read so many different iterations of this same narrative from different sections of the society , all blaming women for putting themselves in the situation whereas it's men who should be called out for making those apparently harmless situations dangerous.

OK, lets gender reverse it. If Aryaman was a woman and Vikram's friend , would you still say Ahana shouldn't have stayed or she should have run ?

See, the danger comes from Aryaman and its solely his fault.

I apologize but here's again the same answer- I don't know what comments you have heard regarding some other women and I do wish that such views are either stopped or the mindset gets changed.The society has no doubt opened up but everything else.takes some time for the required change.

Neither me nor anybody else here would support misogynistic views on women however when I had stated that a woman would run away from fake dates I think it was from a security and logical perspective right.

If you wanna label every flaws regarding a criticism of a fictional female character as misogyny then I have nothing more to say bcoz it would be like banging a head against the wall huh.

You wanna label Arya a Predator-Go ahead please.

Already said what I want to say. Don't want to repeat myself. People will think what they think and believe what they believe and world will remain a hell for women , even in today's day and age.

But, for what it's worth, atleast you made it clear you don't support misogyny. Thanks for that.

Nope. You're narrating thoae situations as an excuse for Aryaman's action as if it's justifible . As if anything he did so far is excusable , when its not !

Ahana as a character gets critised by us , yes by those who you call Aryaman haters ( super hilarious and curious that you didn't call us Ahana haters because we criticise Ahana harshly too ,for much less faults. Because we are not biased towards any one character like you. )

But you brought those up when we were criticising Aryaman just so you can excuse his actions that render him a predator and a pervert.

Excuse his actions-How does having a balanced view means excusing actions despite condemning the character huh?

You yourself admitted right that you criticised Ahana so what can you be called now?

Your hatred for Aryamaan was fine till the time it clouded your perception.

If according to you calling out valid flaws and crimes of a character makes one hater, then by definition ( given by you ) you're a Radhika hater , Bharni hater, Ahana hater , Vikram hater. You're advising someone to open a hater club for Aryaman? You've so many hater clubs to start !

Also, you thinking your views are balanced doesn't make them so. Every person thinks their view is unbiased. So I think my view is unbiased and yours not.

Uh! Let me guess didn't you yourself admit that you wanted a different ML character from earlier characters like Veer or Maahir?

By that I didn't imply I wanted a literal psychopath for Ahana. Forget Ahana, why'd I want such a male character for any woman ??

Ok, let's take Veer and Mahir themselves for example. Both characters are completely different from each other. Yet both are uniquely written, charismatic, interesting, strong on their own, absolutely loyal to their mates , and serves useful purpose in the story.

See, it's possible to write unique characters that are different from earlier seasons without making them unbearable and obnoxious. Even pre wedding Aryaman was not so bad though now I do see he still showed problematic traits. But he wasn't bonkers like he is now. All they had to do was maintain that snarky yet somewhat good guy around, who'd a busy job and workaholic and not just an alcoholic like he is now.

So many women have been in love with the people who hurt them and still it doesn't mean its their fault.

Yes as I have stated already before that its pathetic and sick to either play with a woman's feeling and let me add such kind of people who do such things don't realise the futility of losing a precious feeling called Love-a gift from god.

Okay ,nice !

I needn't repeat myself-talking with you is like banging a head against the wall.

I perfectly know the difference between real and reel world.But if you wanna end up mixing real life issues with every criticism then that just derails the argument nothing else losing track of an entire discussion.

From what I can see that you also have certain expectations and desires for a clean soft-hearted logical ML character and that would have been perfectly fine if certain illogical or irreleavant arguments were not made.

There are thousands of real life issues to talk about so where to start now? You think using strong language is the solution.

You think every criticism regarding a female character is Misogyny really even if its fair from a story-line perspective?

Wonder what would have been your opinion regarding vamps like Yamini or Komolika-Nope even they cannot be criticised right.

And that's just your perception. Even I'm feeling drained trying to be only person who's trying to be logical .

You wrote goddamn essays on real life parallels of women's behavior and when countered , you're saying I'm the one who mixed real life issues with reel !

Yeah I have such expectations?? Lol, OK if you say so ! In return I can only say I can clearly see you've expectations of a ML who'd be completely devoid of basic humanity and hate women , because that's what's a complex character is according to you.

Why'd one not criticise villains ?? Who said that ?? Oh sorry you did ! Because you think Aryaman shouldn't be criticised, only Radhika, Ahana and Bharni should be criticised and yet you're absolutely not a misogynist. OK.

You never comdemed him. You literally defended him. So , yeah be real for a second and come out of your own hypnosis perhaps ?

Please look at the earlier comments.

Yeah that's my take and I have just presented an opinion.You are free to disagree without having pre-judging issues huh.

Yeah I did precisely only that. Disagreed with you completely . You ok with that ? Ok with a different opinion on a public forum where each and every member has the right to put forward their views without being labeled ?

And it was about the Fake dates here.I needn't elaborate more so keep adding some false viewpoints here regarding a woman.

Perhaps ?? Did you just say he perhaps should not have been a pervert and a predator ?? Well well, now I know where you stand and how you think .

Indeed strong words but again that's your biased POV. I also know now regarding your biased thinking and your standing too huh.

Yup, my thinking is definitely biased and yours is really logical and sensible ! Got that. Whatever makes you happy .

I'm yet to read a single sentence coming from you that is not full of bias .

So, he didn’t take off her clothes and SA ed her ! Let's give him an award for chivary.

Truly, the bar is in hell ! We are excusing predators for not doing outright SA ! We've progressed as a society ig.

We now have men who only bad mouths their wife and uses her as a tool to make his best friend and ex jealous versus men who do marital SA ! That's a hero for us Ig.

Nothing to say or write.You want to have clean ML characters so please watch those kind of shows.

Same. You want to see criminals, then perhaps try Crime petrol or Sabdhan India. You'll find plenty of men like Aryaman there.

First you wanna have a different ML character and then when its presented then you go hammer and tongs which is all right but stretch the arguments further and further with no end in hindsight.

Well well well , look at that ! This is what your actual problem is with me ! That Im not happy with a terrible ML and didn't adore him like you do ! Then , just say that.

What a true hero ! Who only stalked a married woman for five years when drunk . Truly the gold standard !

Fantastic bit of victim blaming you did here by saying she shouldn't have entered into a relationship with him ! How would she know how he truly is ? Does she watch Naagin every weekend on tv ?? Confusing reel life with real life again?

That's entirely your opinion and IDC now bcoz you are also a My Way/Highway kind of person and its called Orthodoxy or having fixed conservative views huh since you are so fond of putting labels.

Pot calling kettle yada yada.. Talking about fixed mindset when your knee jerk reaction to any comment that doesn't worship Aryaman is calling them haters and biased and illogical.

Again , I've zero idea why do you think you did something respecting my views here ! May be you need sleep ?

Yeah even I have zero idea now to your replies same here.

She didn't choose to be a bystander. You didn't even watch the episode did you ?! She and her mother did every thing they could. What more did you think she should have done , care to elaborate?

You honestly don't think she should have jumped in the middle of a bunch of trained militants and a sapera who killed her mother like nothing , to try to stop the killing , do you ? Because that'd be insane . She did nothing wrong by not trying to stop them when the killing spree started. That'd have been utterly foolish and suicidal and her life was vital for being the powerful ally that she is .

She did nothing wrong in encouraging Ahana to kill Aryaman, who is still a Suri and he'd have gone to the Suris first thing to tell them about Ahana ( as we saw ) so she was protecting Ahana's secret which is key to their mission. She was right in doing so. Do you even understand the stakes here ? So many innocents will die and an entire country will go up in fire if they fail.

Yes having a biased gender-centric view is all right but shout misogyny when confronted with opposing views huh.

Yeah yeah you're right . It's my view that is gender centric and not yours who hate all the women in the show, defend the problematic male character like your paid job and if anyone tries to point that out they've a biased gender centric view, cool.

But you only brought up the topic of Radhika or her husband not contacting the law enforcement when the discussion was on Aryaman's stalking. You're completely and absolutely defending his stalking. If you'd brought this up as a discussion point to Radhika's character study that'd have been different.

Ofcourse Radhika has some hidden purpose or motive behind her actions, be it rejecting Aryaman on their wedding day , or pretending to be married or joining his company again. Everyone knows that and understands that.

But those motives have nothing to do with Aryaman being a stalker and no, it's not just problematic, it's literally a criminal offense .

Yeah Yeah of course Radhika's a positive character.She never betrayed Aryamaan huh.

I never said Radhika is positive. She could be positive or negative we don't know yet. See, this is basically why it is so exhausting to engage with you. You put imaginary stuff in my mouth and then you somehow convince yourself I said that. Then I've to counter that some thing which I didn't even say for start. It's so exhausting.

I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.

He's absolutely justified in not only bringing Radhika back , he is justify in doing anything he does against Aryaman and his evil sister Pinky whi ruined his life.

So according to you , a woman is allowed to ruin a man's life and he can't even retaliate? So who's playing the gender card here ?

That's the problem isn't it not reading the full statement- Do you realize the gravity of such statements before even writing the same-Pinky might be manipulative or obsessed but has she ruined Vikram's life? No right so what has given you the god-damn right to either support or decide what should a human being do to another human beings life or in your own statement-Its all right if a man ruins a woman's life huh.

Care to see the statement in Red or will you gloss over this also quite conveniently?

Irrespective of gender no human being has the right to ruin another person's life is that so much a difficult fact to digest huh?

Yet you support Pinky and Aryaman ruining Vikram's life and blame Vikram for ...what exactly ??? For not keeping the promise he never made to Pinky or informing her at the earliest possible opportunity about Ahana or being their obdeint little pet ?? See, you say something and in next line you say something completely contradictory , giving me whiplash now.

Yes I don't support what Arya did to Vikram and Vikram has that logical basis to turn negative on him which I had expressed earlier also.

I don't look at the situation in a biased manner unlike you all right and yes don't need any character-certificate also huh.

This is the best you can do ?? You can be civil also you know you're in a public forum without calling others biased when your own take is nothing but biased and full of holes and there's no logic to it.

Simple point is Arhana both are fictional characters and have their own individual flaws.

YET you've problem when someone points out one character's flaws and not another's?

While I do agree with this fact that certain traits of Aryamaan are downright condemnable he has certain positive points like any other fictional character.

And yeah it does not make me or anybody else a fan.

Similarly, pointing them out doesn't make one a hater.

One can have strong viewpoints without going overboard or putting insuinations too but then certain fans forget that this is a group forum not an individual one.

In that case , maybe start with some self introspection ? You can not trash talk with others , putting down their views calling them biased , illogical and haters while expecting respect and cry forum decorum.

Yeah a certain fan does need to take a strong hard look in the mirror

If Arya's character is being called criminal here then that's their POV.But twisting or putting words/false viewpoints looks like imposing an certain argument here.

Yup, I find it really manipulating the argument when you have to put down other's views as biased and illogical because you can not bring forth better logic on the table.

Even certain strong and pretty much objectionable language has been used even though the replies could have been in a proper manner.

Yup, agree and they've been used by you.

Originally posted by: MannMeinRadha

Yeah sure you are the most logical person on this forum or in the whole world huh?

And you're the who was talking about strong and objectionable language huh ? When you lack in manners severely and all your post replies are basically tasteless attacks on other's people's opinions on a tv show and you think you're cool and rational !!

Maybe some self introspection first ??

Oh, you did ??? Please quote the text where you called his actions condemnable before we called you out through our replies that you're victim blaming ??

you didn't condemn him. You supported his crimes . Aryaman is not complex. He's boring monotonous and uninteresting.

Care to read this- What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable

And this- What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

But I said give me a quote where you called him condemnable before I quoted you and you couldn't, hence proving my point. You basically went on backfoot and called his actions condemnable when your pov was called out as defending a predator , but not before and not on your own.

Yeah I agree with your point on his character being boring as I have already stated that he's a Radhika Bhakt and alcoholic too so where's the disagreement here or supporting his crimes huh?

You do realize what you just said is absolutely horribly misogynist?? A woman should do this.. a woman should do that.. Eff that ! Why is it on women to protect themselves and not on men to be decent human beings ?

Funny you keep saying we're starting a gender war when you're the one putting woman on a gender biased box and juding her based on why she didn't act accordingly , so its you who is looking to find excuse for your favorite character, looking at woman through absolutely outdated and obsolete and wrong gender colored lenses.

And no , my answer is no. Your logical answer to the question you asked ( funny you provided a default " logical answer " which is the worst illogical take possible and how you decided this must be the logical course to take. ) is that why should she leave ?? Why ? I wouldn't. No woman should and would leave. Why are you calling it date ? She stayed because when Aryaman saw he's been caught he quickly pretended that he came with an intention to befriend her and she was curious to see what's he trying to do here. It's not her fault for not thinking the lowest of him. She thought he'd be a gentleman when he's not. That's on him, not on her .

So , your take is wrong and biased. No woman should run in a similar scenario unless the man is a known predator.

Seriously-Misogynistic.So if someone points out the flaws in a woman's character irrespective of whether she's a Naagin or not that's misogynistic.I know what's Patriarchy or Misogyny all right.

No onr said anything about a woman's character can not be brought under criticism. Ahana gets criticised all the time and for good reason and I partake in that.

But you blamed her for being in a situation where her only fault was to consider Aryaman to be a gentleman and also you brought her so called flaws up to defend or even justify what Aryaman did. If you can not see how using a woman's flaw in a specific situation where her dignity and honor was endangered to cover up the man involved is problematic and plain wrong , no one can make you see that. So I'm not even gonna try.

If I had stated that Ahana should only listen to her husband now whether its Arya or Vikram regarding her life's choices then that would be misogynistic.Watch the Aarambhi show to know what exactly Misogyny is all right?

So as per your logic Aryamaan did not send any SMS for a date from Vikram's cellphone.Then what was that huh?

What do you mean even ??? I clearly said he sent the sms and Ahana even caught that . Talk about glossing over posts in a hurry to reply !!

Also , could you perhaps stop putting words in my mouth ?? " As per your logic..." then add something I neither said nor implied.

Men should change for the women agreed whole-heartedly but it applies vice versa also right.

I don't know what comments you have heard regarding some other women and I do wish that such views are either stopped or the mindset gets changed.The society has no doubt opened up but everything else takes some time for the required change.

Neither me nor anybody else here would support misogynistic views on women however when I had stated that a woman would run away from fake dates I think it was from a security and logical perspective right.

Funny you're thinking from a security and logical perspective when coming up with most illogical solutions. So because Ahana has a finacenor bf , she can not have dinner with another man ?? Even when he said it's a white flag waving thing ? So basically all women should always regard all men with suspicion when alone with them and you literally said women should run in the opposite direction. I hope this is not your real opinion. Because its really bleak and suffocating and insulting for both men and women to treat each other like that.

If you wanna label every flaws regarding a criticism of a fictional female character as misogyny then I have nothing more to say bcoz it would be like banging a head against the wall huh.

You wanna label Arya a Predator-Go ahead please.

So if a fictional character shows a problematic trait that everyone can see is infact wrong and problematic, one can not even call that out ?? Just because he's hot and a so called ML? Is that what you're saying ? If you're not, then what problem do you have for people calling out a classic predator move from a man. It was almost text book example of one , with how he preplanned everything. It reminded me of the famous Pak drama Case no. 9 first episode. Similar planning and scenrio.

She didn't go on a date. Again you're completely victim blaming to deflect blame from the man. She stayed back for the dinner and a conversation. You trying to call it a date is wrong and manipulative tactics to blame shift from the predator to the victim. Classic case of victim blaming.

" She shouldn't have taken lift in a car with only a man . She should have known better. "

"She shouldn't have gone inside his house with him knowing it's empty , to accept his invitation for a coffee. "

I've seen, heard and read so many different iterations of this same narrative from different sections of the society , all blaming women foe putting themselves in the situation whereas it's men who should be called out for making those apparently harmless situations dangerous.

OK, lets gender reverse it. If Aryaman was a woman and Vikram's friend , would you still say Ahana shouldn't have stayed or she should have run ?

See, the danger comes from Aryaman and its solely his fault.

I apologize but here's again the same answer- I don't know what comments you have heard regarding some other women and I do wish that such views are either stopped or the mindset gets changed.The society has no doubt opened up but everything else.takes some time for the required change.

Neither me nor anybody else here would support misogynistic views on women however when I had stated that a woman would run away from fake dates I think it was from a security and logical perspective right.

If you wanna label every flaws regarding a criticism of a fictional female character as misogyny then I have nothing more to say bcoz it would be like banging a head against the wall huh.

You wanna label Arya a Predator-Go ahead please.

Already said what I want to say. Don't want to repeat myself. People will think what they think and believe what they believe and world will remain a hell for women , even in today's day and age.

But, for what it's worth, atleast you made it clear you don't support misogyny. Thanks for that.

Nope. You're narrating thoae situations as an excuse for Aryaman's action as if it's justifible . As if anything he did so far is excusable , when its not !

Ahana as a character gets critised by us , yes by those who you call Aryaman haters ( super hilarious and curious that you didn't call us Ahana haters because we criticise Ahana harshly too ,for much less faults. Because we are not biased towards any one character like you. )

But you brought those up when we were criticising Aryaman just so you can excuse his actions that render him a predator and a pervert.

Excuse his actions-How does having a balanced view means excusing actions despite condemning the character huh?

You yourself admitted right that you criticised Ahana so what can you be called now?

Your hatred for Aryamaan was fine till the time it clouded your perception.

If according to you calling out valid flaws and crimes of a character makes one hater, then by definition ( given by you ) you're a Radhika hater , Bharni hater, Ahana hater , Vikram hater. You're advising someone to open a hater club for Aryaman? You've so many hater clubs to start !

Also, you thinking your views are balanced doesn't make them so. Every person thinks their view is unbiased. So I think my view is unbiased and yours not.

Uh! Let me guess didn't you yourself admit that you wanted a different ML character from earlier characters like Veer or Maahir?

By that I didn't imply I wanted a literal psychopath for Ahana. Forget Ahana, why'd I want such a male character for any woman ??

Ok, let's take Veer and Mahir themselves for example. Both characters are completely different from each other. Yet both are uniquely written, charismatic, interesting, strong on their own, absolutely loyal to their mates , and serves useful purpose in the story.

See, it's possible to write unique characters that are different from earlier seasons without making them unbearable and obnoxious. Even pre wedding Aryaman was not so bad though now I do see he still showed problematic traits. But he wasn't bonkers like he is now. All they had to do was maintain that snarky yet somewhat good guy around, who'd a busy job and workaholic and not just alcoholic like he is now.

So many women have been in love with the people who hurt them and still it doesn't mean its their fault.

Yes as I have stated already before that its pathetic and sick to either play with a woman's feeling and let me add such kind of people who do such things don't realise the futility of losing a precious feeling called Love-a gift from god.

Okay ,nice !

I needn't repeat myself-talking with you is like banging a head against the wall.

I perfectly know the difference between real and reel world.But if you wanna end up mixing real life issues with every criticism then that just derails the argument nothing else losing track of an entire discussion.

From what I can see that you also have certain expectations and desires for a clean soft-hearted logical ML character and that would have been perfectly fine if certain illogical or irreleavant arguments were not made.

There are thousands of real life issues to talk about so where to start now? You think using strong language is the solution.

You think every criticism regarding a female character is Misogyny really even if its fair from a story-line perspective?

Wonder what would have been your opinion regarding vamps like Yamini or Komolika-Nope even they cannot be criticised right.

And that's just your perception. Even im feeling drained trying to be only person who's trying to be logical .

You wrote goddamn essays on real life parallels of women's behavior and when countered , you're saying I'm the one who mixed real life issues with reel !

Yeah I have such expectations?? Lol, OK if you say so ! In return I can only say I can clearly see you've expectations of a ML who'd be completely devoid of basic humanity and hate women , because that's what's a complex character is according to you.

Why'd one not criticise villains ?? Who said that ?? Oh sorry you did ! Because you think Aryaman shouldn't be criticised, only Radhika, Ahana and Bharni should be criticised and yet you're absolutely not a misogynist. OK.

You never comdemed him. You literally defended him. So , yeah be real for a second and come out of your own hypnosis perhaps ?

Please look at the earlier comments.

Yeah that's my take and I have just presented an opinion.You are free to disagree without having pre-judging issues huh.

Yeah I did precisely only that. Disagreed with you completely . You ok with that ? Ok with a different opinion on a public forum where each and every member has the right to put forward their views without being labeled ?

And it was about the Fake dates here.I needn't elaborate more so keep adding some false viewpoints here regarding a woman.

Perhaps ?? Did you just say he perhaps should not have been a pervert and a predator ?? Well well, now I know where you stand and how you think .

Indeed strong words but again that's your biased POV. I also know now regarding your biased thinking and your standing too huh.

Yup, my thinkjnv is definitely biased and your is really logical and sensible ! Got that. Whatever makes you happy .

I'm yet to read a single sentence coming from you that is not full of bias .

So, he didn’t take off her clothes and SA ed her ! Let's give him an award for chivary.

Truly, the bar is in hell ! We are excusing predators for not doing outright SA ! We've progressed as a society ig.

We now have men who only bad mouths their wife and uses her as a tool to make his best friend and ex jealous versus men who do marital SA ! That's a hero for us Ig.

Nothing to say or write.You want to have clean ML characters so please watch those kind of shows.

Same. You want to see criminals, then perhaps try Crime petrol or Sabdhan India.

First you wanna have a different ML character and then when its presented then you go hammer and tongs which is all right but stretch the arguments further and further with no end in hindsight.

Well well well , look at that ! This is what uour actual problem is with me ! That Im not happy with a terrible ML and didn't adore him like you do ! Then , just say that.

What a true hero ! Who only stalked a married woman for five years when drunk . Truly the gold standard !

Fantastic bit of victim blaming you did here by saying she shouldn't have entered into a relationship with him ! How would she know how he truly is ? Does she watch Naagin every weekend on tv ?? Confusing reel life with real life again?

That's entirely your opinion and IDC now bcoz you are also a My Way/Highway kind of person and its called Orthodoxy or having fixed conservative views huh since you are so fond of putting labels.

Pot calling kettle yada yada.. Talking about fixed mindset when your knee kerk reaction to any comment that doesn't worship Aryaman is calling tehm haters and biased and illogical.

Again , I've zero idea why do you think you did something respecting my views here ! May be you need sleep ?

Yeah even I have zero idea now to your replies same here.

She didn't choose to be a bystander. You didn't even watch the episode did you ?! She and her mother did every thing they could. What more did you think she should have done , care to elaborate?

You honestly don't think she should have jumped in the middle of a bunch of trained militants and a sapera who killed her mother like nothing , to try to stop the killing , do you ? Because that'd be insane . She did nothing wrong by not trying to stop them when the killing spree started. That'd have been utterly foolish and suicidal and her life was vital for being the powerful ally that she is .

She did nothing wrong in encouraging Ahana to kill Aryaman, who is still a Suri and he'd have gone to the Suris first thing to tell them about Ahana ( as we saw ) so she was protecting Ahana's secret which is key to their mission. She was right in doing so. Do you even understand the stakes here ? So many innocents will die and an entire country will go up in fire if they fail.

Yes having a biased gender-centric view is all right but shout misogyny when confronted with opposing views huh.

Yeah yeah you're right . It's my view that is gender centric and not yours who hate all the women in the show, defend the problematic male character like your paid job and if anyone tries to point that out they've a biased gender centric view, cool.

But you only brought up the topic of Radhika or her husband not contacting the law enforcement when the discussion was on Aryaman's stalking. You're completely and absolutely defending his stalking. If you'd brought this up as a discussion point to Radhika's character study that'd have been different.

Ofcourse Radhika has some hidden purpose or motive behind her actions, be it rejecting Aryaman on their wedding day , or pretending to be married or joining his company again. Everyone knows that and understands that.

But those motives have nothing to do with Aryaman being a stalker and no, it's not just problematic, it's literally a criminal offense .

Yeah Yeah of course Radhika's a positive character.She never betrayed Aryamaan huh.

I never said Radhika is positive. She could be positive or negative we don't know yet. See, this is basically why it is so exhausting to engage with you. You put imaginary stuff in my mouth and then you somehwo convince yourself O said that.

I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.

He's absolutely justified in not only bringing Radhika back , he is justify in doing anything he does against Aryaman and his evil sister Pinky whi ruined his life.

So according to you , a woman is allowed to ruin a man's life and he can't even retaliate? So who's playing the gender card here ?

That's the problem isn't it not reading the full statement- Do you realize the gravity of such statements before even writing the same-Pinky might be manipulative or obsessed but has she ruined Vikram's life? No right so what has given you the god-damn right to either support or decide what should a human being do to another human beings life or in your own statement-Its all right if a man ruins a woman's life huh.

Care to see the statement in Red or will you gloss over this also quite conveniently?

Irrespective of gender no human being has the right to ruin another person's life is that so much a difficult fact to digest huh?

Yet you support Pinky and Aryaman ruining Vikram's life and blame Vikram for ...what exactly ??? For not keeping teh promise he never made to Pinky or informing her at the earliest possible opportunity about Ahana?? See, you say something and in next line you say something completely contradictory , giving me whiplash now.

Yes I don't support what Arya did to Vikram and Vikram has that logical basis to turn negative on him which I had expressed earlier also.

I don't look at the situation in a biased manner unlike you all right and yes don't need any character-certificate also huh.

This is the best you can do ?? You can be civil also you know youre in a public forum without calling others biased when your own take is nothing but biased and full of holes and there's no logic to it.

Simple point is Arhana both are fictional characters and have their own individual flaws.

YET you've problem when someone points out one character's flaws and not another's?

While I do agree with this fact that certain traits of Aryamaan are downright condemnable he has certain positive points like any other fictional character.

And yeah it does not make me or anybody else a fan.

Similarly, pointing them out doesn't make one a hater.

One can have strong viewpoints without going overboard or putting insuinations too but then certain fans forget that this is a group forum not an individual one.

In that case , maybe start with some self introspection ? You can not trash with others , putting down their views calling them biased , illogical and haters while expecting respect and cry forum decorum.

Yeah certain fan do need to take a strong hard look in the mirror

If Arya's character is being called criminal here then that's their POV.But twisting or putting words/false viewpoints looks like imposing an certain argument here.

Yup, I find it really manipulating the argument when you have to put down other's views as biased and illogical because you can not bring forth better logic on the table.

Even certain strong and pretty much objectionable language has been used even though the replies could have been in a proper manner.

Yup, agree and they've been used by you.

All right let me start with the first point-

And you're the who was talking about strong and objectionable language huh ? When you lack in manners severely and all your post replies are basically tasteless attacks on other's people's opinions on a tv show and you think you're cool and rational !!

Maybe some self introspection first ??

Self introspection- all right who was having preconceived notions first- You do realize what you just said is absolutely horribly misogynist?? Did I said any word like this to you first or put any label?

Oh, you did ??? Please quote the text where you called his actions condemnable before we called you out through our replies that you're victim blaming ??

you didn't condemn him. You supported his crimes . Aryaman is not complex. He's boring monotonous and uninteresting.

So this is my reply from one of your your last post( which unfortunately started a meaningless feud inspite of not wanting the same) if you hadn't checked that out it isn't my fault-

What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable however Ahana knew that even her dating moments were being recorded on Arya's cellphone yet she chose to stay back and enjoy her date there.Didn't she stay there bcoz of her strong feelings for Arya? Ahana knew that she was enjoying her date with her sworn enemy right before Arya was proved innocent.

So I had already stated then that Arya's sedating act was condemnable ( in bold red letters).

No onr said anything about a woman's character can not be brought under criticism. Ahana gets criticised all the time and for good reason and I partake in that.

But you blamed her for being in a situation where her only fault was to consider Aryaman to be a gentleman and also you brought her so called flaws up to defend or even justify what Aryaman did. If you can not see how using a woman's flaw in a specific situation where her dignity and honor was endangered to cover up the man involved is problematic and plain wrong , no one can make you see that. So I'm not even gonna try.

Glad to see your clarification at least regarding female characters.

Regarding your second point- I have pointed out already what I need to point out.

I know that Ahana is quite the cunning and sharp character and I do really admire her for that.But when I pointed a flaw it was just a general criticism not character-assassination as you insinuated or even being misogynistic.

What Aryamaan did using that sedating trick was condemnable and should not have been done I have already stated that multiple times.

And again let me ask-Didn't Ahana have any feelings for Aryamaan and that too mind you its a fictional character.

Funny you're thinking from a security and logical perspective when coming up with most illogical solutions. So because Ahana has a finacenor bf , she can not have dinner with another man ?? Even when he said it's a white flag waving thing ? So basically all women should always regard all men with suspicion when alone with them and you literally said women should run in the opposite direction. I hope this is not your real opinion. Because its really bleak and suffocating and insulting for both men and women to treat each other like that.

Have you even cared to read my point before-

When couples are in a relationship they both date each other and don't go on date with their respective best buddies unless one of the other parties want to betray their mates behind their backs. So care to explain how its victim-blaming here huh?

Also I have stated this clearly-

A woman who's already in a relationship with her man- That same man introduces her to his buddy or let's say best buddy.Suddenly one day that woman receives an SMS invitation for a romantic date not even a casual meet up but a proper romantic date.

When that woman arrives at the venue she sees not her man but that best buddy.She's able to figure out that even though the SMS might have been sent from her man's cellphone that SMS was sent by that man's best buddy.

So let's me ask you a simple question then-What would the woman do then? Logical answer-She would run away as fast as she can from that venue and inform her man about the same.

This might look funny to you but for me its a serious security concern.

All right let me just flip the point- If the same thing happens with a man or let's say an ML character even then I would not support a fake date.

I have never stated that all woman or all men should regard each other with suspicion.My only concern was regarding the Fake Date so I don't know how did Misogyny came here into this in the first place?

Considering the digital world we all live in today do you mean to say that its all right to go on a fake date with an unknown person or even a known person irrespective of gender even if one of the genders whether they are a man or a woman are already in a relationship?

Every woman has their own right to select their own partners and I don't think a date can be so much casual-Its the way to know and bond with each other.

It even sets the foundation for a potential relationship transforming into a married one too.So how is this Misogyny?

Neither you nor I can predict how would anybody act in any situation irrespective of gender so I was just analyzing the situation from a pure storyline-perspective. I am not a fortune teller that Voila I can predict every situation.

So because Ahana has a finacenor bf , she can not have dinner with another man ?

I know she didn't go there herself but was tricked by Arya that's why I called it a fake date.

So if a fictional character shows a problematic trait that everyone can see is infact wrong and problematic, one can not even call that out ?? Just because he's hot and a so called ML? Is that what you're saying ? If you're not, then what problem do you have for people calling out a classic predator move from a man. It was almost text book example of one , with how he preplanned everything. It reminded me of the famous Pak drama Case no. 9 first episode. Similar planning and scenrio.

Here's my reply-

I think I have already stated repeatedly that whether it's you or anybody else it's completely you or anybody else's prerogative whether you hate or like a particular character.

Constantly targeting or spamming/irritating someone regarding their likes or dislikes or using strong/objectionable words is allright then huh.

I have no issues whether you call him a Predator/Criminal that's your POV and I support that without being judgemental.

Already said what I want to say. Don't want to repeat myself. People will think what they think and believe what they believe and world will remain a hell for women , even in today's day and age.

But, for what it's worth, atleast you made it clear you don't support misogyny. Thanks for that.

Those who are misogynist are pathetic and they have a narrow worldview.They are like frogs in the well.

And I repeat that whether its you or anybody else hope they don't ever hear such pathetic misogynistic or narrow minded views about any woman ever and I do sincerely hope to see a changed mindset someday.Every individual has their own identity.

If according to you calling out valid flaws and crimes of a character makes one hater, then by definition ( given by you ) you're a Radhika hater , Bharni hater, Ahana hater , Vikram hater. You're advising someone to open a hater club for Aryaman? You've so many hater clubs to start !

Also, you thinking your views are balanced doesn't make them so. Every person thinks their view is unbiased. So I think my view is unbiased and yours not.

And victim blaming/Misogynist was ok? I have suspicion regarding Radhika and I have expressed my dislike for her having played with a man's feeling so how was that hate?

I have already written about Bharni too so please refer to my earlier post-If you still wanna support Bharni that's completely fine with me. I won't judge you on that provided you don't pre-judge me.

You and that other fan have been constantly irritating/judging me by repeating the same viewpoints without even giving me a fair chance to hear me out so I was left with no choice but to pay you back in the same coin that too as fairly as much as I can without even crossing the line unlike you.

By that I didn't imply I wanted a literal psychopath for Ahana. Forget Ahana, why'd I want such a male character for any woman ??

Ok, let's take Veer and Mahir themselves for example. Both characters are completely different from each other. Yet both are uniquely written, charismatic, interesting, strong on their own, absolutely loyal to their mates , and serves useful purpose in the story.

See, it's possible to write unique characters that are different from earlier seasons without making them unbearable and obnoxious. Even pre wedding Aryaman was not so bad though now I do see he still showed problematic traits. But he wasn't bonkers like he is now. All they had to do was maintain that snarky yet somewhat good guy around, who'd a busy job and workaholic and not just alcoholic like he is now.

Yes I am completely in agreement with this point.This could have been done.

I have already criticized his character for being an alcoholic drowned in a weird obsession for a woman.

And that's just your perception. Even im feeling drained trying to be only person who's trying to be logical .

You wrote goddamn essays on real life parallels of women's behavior and when countered , you're saying I'm the one who mixed real life issues with reel !

Yeah I have such expectations?? Lol, OK if you say so ! In return I can only say I can clearly see you've expectations of a ML who'd be completely devoid of basic humanity and hate women , because that's what's a complex character is according to you.

Why'd one not criticise villains ?? Who said that ?? Oh sorry you did ! Because you think Aryaman shouldn't be criticised, only Radhika, Ahana and Bharni should be criticised and yet you're absolutely not a misogynist. OK.

I don't deny I wanted Aryamaan to go the negative way bcoz I never liked a bland cynical character but that was never done.And I wouldn't have said that had I not seen a Social Media shot of Aryamaan already stabbing Purvi/Ahana.

I was just expressing an opinion that perhaps the feud or a fight between a cunning villain and Naagin might be interesting And I remember you disagreeing with the same.

Then neither I called you a hater or waved the specific gender-flag like you.

And you youself liked Erul-didn't you?

Yeah I have such expectations?? Lol, OK if you say so ! In return I can only say I can clearly see you've expectations of a ML who'd be completely devoid of basic humanity and hate women , because that's what's a complex character is according to you.

Hate women and lose their basic humanity huh? When did I say that I have this exact expectation-putting words in my mouth as usual.

So according to your weird logic-a character can't have negative traits.Then why are there various characters on ITV-Grey/Positive or Negative huh.

There are positive ML characters like Abhay/Veer(Grey-shades) or Maahir and then there are negative ML characters like Viraaj Dobriyal.

Its decided as per the storyline and the script huh.

And complex characters don't always mean negativity-Veer is the most prime example check Raanav too.Both of them were loyal and loved their mates deeply.

Still if you wanna repeat this argument of having likes and dislikes for an ML character then how do you know that I think this- Why'd one not criticise villains ?? Who said that ?? Oh sorry you did ! Because you think Aryaman shouldn't be...criticised, only Radhika, Ahana and Bharni should be criticised and yet you're absolutely not a misogynist. OK.

Its like again repeating the same fake allegation of being an Arya-fan.When did I say that Aryamaan can never be criticised and yet you are absolutely not a biased person OK?

Yeah I did precisely only that. Disagreed with you completely . You ok with that ? Ok with a different opinion on a public forum where each and every member has the right to put forward their views without being labeled ?

When I was expressing the same views earlier where was this viewpoint of yours? Or are you pretending to hear me out now?

Yup, my thinkjnv is definitely biased and your is really logical and sensible ! Got that. Whatever makes you happy .

I'm yet to read a single sentence coming from you that is not full of bias .

Read this- talking with you is like banging a head against the wall.

Same. You want to see criminals, then perhaps try Crime petrol or Sabdhan India.

Again Read this- talking with you is like banging a head against the wall.

I know about such shows but unlike you I don't go overboard with a criticism of a character.

Well well well , look at that ! This is what uour actual problem is with me ! That Im not happy with a terrible ML and didn't adore him like you do ! Then , just say that.

Adore him? Who Arya? IDC whether you adore or hate him now.

Pot calling kettle yada yada.. Talking about fixed mindset when your knee kerk reaction to any comment that doesn't worship Aryaman is calling tehm haters and biased and illogical.

Knee jerk Yada Yada? You don't express your views with me on certain points properly and you continue to put certain character traits on me by being judgemental in the beginning and now its Pot calling kettle yada yada huh?

Yeah yeah you're right . It's my view that is gender centric and not yours who hate all the women in the show, defend the problematic male character like your paid job and if anyone tries to point that out they've a biased gender centric view, cool.

So you calling me misogynist and levelling baseless allegations also looks like a classic paid job.

I never said Radhika is positive. She could be positive or negative we don't know yet. See, this is basically why it is so exhausting to engage with you. You put imaginary stuff in my mouth and then you somehwo convince yourself O said that.

So when did I say that Aryamaan is the most gentle person on earth or in Naagin? No because you have been going hammer and tongs on that character and I was fine with it until you started involving me in some weird baseless allegations.

Yet you support Pinky and Aryaman ruining Vikram's life and blame Vikram for ...what exactly ??? For not keeping teh promise he never made to Pinky or informing her at the earliest possible opportunity about Ahana?? See, you say something and in next line you say something completely contradictory , giving me whiplash now.

Me supporting Pinky and Aryamaan huh- Yes I don't support what Arya did to Vikram and Vikram has that logical basis to turn negative on him which I had expressed earlier also.

I don't agree with Pinky's obsession regarding Vikram but he knew her for 1 year so that can be denied cool.

This is the best you can do ?? You can be civil also you know youre in a public forum without calling others biased when your own take is nothing but biased and full of holes and there's no logic to it.

Pot calling kettle yada yada.Misogynist? Victim-blamer?

I tried to be civil you forced me to give you such replies in the first place.

YET you've problem when someone points out one character's flaws and not another's?

Nope provided that person does not irritate or stretch something beyond a point.

Similarly, pointing them out doesn't make one a hater.

Please do so.But stop unnecessary provocations or character-assassination too.Disagreements can also be expressed respectfully.

In that case , maybe start with some self introspection ? You can not trash with others , putting down their views calling them biased , illogical and haters while expecting respect and cry forum decorum.

Yeah certain fan do need to take a strong hard look in the mirror

You have supported those strong biased views of the other person too while my views have been pretty civil.

So weren't those views trashy too going by your logic?

I am fine with all disagreements as long as the line is not crossed but if it veers into an unhealthy territory then sorry don't expect pleasantries from my side also.

So who needs to take a hard look in the mirror now then huh?

You wanna use strong language go ahead till the time its not objectionable or targets another fan's perspective unjustifiably.

This is a group forum not an individual one remember that first.

I have been pretty much reasonable with you and did not do any name calling.

You think trashing someone's viewpoint without hearing them out is all right and earlier you were giving me lessons about cry forum decorum.

Who gave you the right to impose your viewpoints on me or anybody else's too? If someone doesn't agree you and that other fan will resort to name calling huh.

I have been reading your viewpoints and the words you use are pretty strong or let's say harsh-I was fine with it till you decided to involve me without even hearing me out properly.

Again I will repeat-If you don't like a character fine but stop imposing your own views all right.

This my way or the highway approach is cool in this forum huh as per your twisted logic.

Originally posted by: salley145

Agreed. Arya keeps ignoring Radhika when he wasn't literally dying to see her since 5 long years. This girl Roma aka Nibedita pal did everything in bekaboo to get Ranav aka Shalin Bhanot but here her character doesn't have that much screen space

They can do so much with all these interesting character's but nope they just don't want to utilise any potential of the character's. 18 episodes down, and the lead's story is just stuck. Next week also I have no hopes for aryana, as it'll focus on deshbhakti angle.

Naagin 3 mein bhi bohot character's the, but all of them used to get good amount of screentime in those 2 episodes, yahan toh ahana ke alawa kisi ko kuch karne milta hi nahi hai.

Masked ji let it go. Kuch fyada nahi itna samjha ke. Arya has been declared a useless male lead. They want just a spineless doormat mate for the naagin who has no identity of his own.

How dare aryaman has a past, was in love with someone else, is a bit gray character. Only a doodh ka dhula ml is acceptable who'd just fall for naagin ji as if uski koi existence he nahi hai. Loving someone is the biggest crime in the naagin world.

Hope they dont turn her negative

What a downfall in TRP. DAMN! Not even 3d position secured.

Yeah focus more on bewda devdas and his ex. Do more of that Rani Rani shit. Don't give promos for naagin. Because ofc people have signed up for the one sided broken hearts nonsense.

Originally posted by: TwinkleStar12

Masked ji let it go. Kuch fyada nahi itna samjha ke. Arya has been declared a useless male lead. They want just a spineless doormat mate for the naagin who has no identity of his own.

How dare aryaman has a past, was in love with someone else, is a bit gray character. Only a doodh ka dhula ml is acceptable who'd just fall for naagin ji as if uski koi existence he nahi hai. Loving someone is the biggest crime in the naagin world.

Couldn't agree with you more.Its better to stop because no use in further discussions now.

Aryamaan's not the perfect flawless character.It's completely any fan's choice here whether to criticise or like him.

Originally posted by: salta

What a downfall in TRP. DAMN! Not even 3d position secured.

Yeah focus more on bewda devdas and his ex. Do more of that Rani Rani shit. Don't give promos for naagin. Because ofc people have signed up for the one sided broken hearts nonsense.

Oh my God ! Such a huge downfall with entry of Radhika. Looks like third angle flopped big time and what a huge slap for those who were saying it'll bring ratings.

When will CVs understand the name of the show is Naagin and not mein ,meri bibi aur meri Radhika ??

Really, not even feeling bad. Those episodes ( 15 and 16 ) do not deserve more than 1.6.

Worse, rank has fallen to 6. So out of top 5 too.

Yeah, what a bright idea it was to give a big promo on Radhika entry and none on Bharni revelation or Shiv Ratri special.

Kind of sad about proven right all the time.