Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 39 - Page 15

Originally posted by: Kidult104

If one side is preparing anticipatory bail for him, then there are some people who have already prepared an electric chair for him. He has good number of haters and supporters i think. He has his fair share of kaands and i'm sure he will get his karma for all that.

He isnt even her dad might seem easier to say but the fact that he is a big part of her formative years, wont ease out its impact if he turns out nasty person later. Accepting a new person in her circle is easier than cutting off a person who has been with her through all. Just like Mannat, he also teaches her good values, gives her life lessons, teaches self defence stuff. Mannat still sometimes finds it hard to digest the fact that her birth mother, whom she has 0 connect except same blood and genes, is a criminal. Here Dk has been an integral part of Dua's formative years, it will be tougher for her.

Word and let me split this into 2 parts so I can convey the pain point easily

1) bold - absolutely, same way Vikrant finds it difficult that he was stolen from his mother and Mannat out of all was supporting criminals isn't it? Remember Mannat's dialogue to DK today, Vikrant will not support a criminal, ManVik have certain unsaid unwritten expectations from each other.

We are sympathetic to Mannat which she deserves with what she has faced from ARS, why are we not able to extend the same sympathy to Vikrant that he feels deceived by Mannat?

This is why i was asking are we sure it's about parvarish vs paidaish, since Vikrant is quite unlucky, he has 2 criminal mothers and a partial criminal father. He is forced to pick out of the 2 criminals and no one is even willing to understand how deceived he still feels and stuck on the same day 7 years ago.

2. Bold 2 - If we expect Dua can handle the truth about Vikrant being her father, can't she handle the truth if DK comes out as negative. Aren't both of these traumatic? Didn't DK forget his little brother & the life he spent with him in his formative years, his mother and move on with someone he met less than a month ago? So, guess formative years aren't that critical and can be easily replaced atleast in fictional world if they turn out to be vile , just thinking out loud 🤔

Infact story perspective I feel it's good to make Dk full fledged negative so Vikrant and Mannat are both equals in getting fooled by criminals like in the past how they got fooled by Malla and ARS.

Just like Vikrant has to learn a lesson about blind trust on your spouse, Mannat has to learn a lesson about not making decisions for your spouse.

Nice debating after a few weeks

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Word and let me split this into 2 parts so I can convey the pain point easily

1) bold - absolutely, same way Vikrant finds it difficult that he was stolen from his mother and Mannat out of all was supporting criminals isn't it? Remember Mannat's dialogue to DK today, Vikrant will not support a criminal, ManVik have certain unsaid unwritten expectations from each other.

We are sympathetic to Mannat which she deserves with what she has faced from ARS, why are we not able to extend the same sympathy to Vikrant that he feels deceived by Mannat?

This is why i was asking are we sure it's about parvarish vs paidaish, since Vikrant is quite unlucky, he has 2 criminal mothers and a partial criminal father. He is forced to pick out of the 2 criminals and no one is even willing to understand how deceived he still feels and stuck on the same day 7 years ago.

2. Bold 2 - If we expect Dua can handle the truth about Vikrant being her father, can't she handle the truth if DK comes out as negative. Aren't both of these traumatic? Didn't DK forget his little brother & the life he spent with him in his formative years, his mother and move on with someone he met less than a month ago? So, guess formative years aren't that critical and can be easily replaced atleast in fictional world if they turn out to be vile , just thinking out loud 🤔

Infact story perspective I feel it's good to make Dk full fledged negative so Vikrant and Mannat are both equals in getting fooled by criminals like in the past how they got fooled by Malla and ARS.

Just like Vikrant has to learn a lesson about blind trust on your spouse, Mannat has to learn a lesson about not making decisions for your spouse.

Nice debating after a few weeks

Bold: Just to add. Mannat developed a friendship with DK in which she kept confidences with him and kept Vikrant in the dark about. What makes it bad is it was about Vikrant's history which he was unaware of. Vikrant pointed out to Mannat that she became closer to DK when he was supposed to be the one closest to her. The CA overshadowed this complaint of Vikrant and Mannat did not acknowledge the error she made in that regard. I feel Mannat has to be made to appreciate that mistake of hers.

Why should Mannat and Vikrant bot be on par in getting fooled by criminals?

Vikrant chose to listen to only one side of tje story.

Vishaka after selling Vikrant for a fancy prive played possum and Vikrant believed her. Again when she and Malla are threatening to leave if he helps Neetu with Rony Salujas money him failing to let his moral compas weigh the situation presents him in poor light.

We see what writers show us as a character arc just as Vikrant chooses to see only whatever he believes.

At present DK is very protective to Mannat, Dua Rotu .he has not snatched his brothers happiness he is only protecting till Vikrant comes to claim them.

When one is unattached to another as DK is, he began to admire her strength, courage resolve and independence. Je sees how fiercely protective she is of them all. I mentioned earlier DK too has not heald from his PTSD. Vishaka by guilt tripping him had made his childhood miserable. There was none to love comfort or care for him and call her m as family.

On the fateful day when Mannat list her all and Rotu were thrown out remember how vishaka manipulated Vikrant against DK.

They were 4 individuals with noone to call their own. They came together and Fua tje bonding factor has given them ties Nana, Nani Ma and Baba. DK knows that it is a facade that will shatter tje moment Vikrant wakes up...the Sleeping Beautys spell was broken when the Prince Charming arrived we are yet to understand how tje spell cadt by the vamps and UV will break. Break it should if the story should teach a closure.

Originally posted by: moonwearer

At present DK is very protective to Mannat, Dua Rotu .he has not snatched his brothers happiness he is only protecting till Vikrant comes to claim them.

When one is unattached to another as DK is, he began to admire her strength, courage resolve and independence. Je sees how fiercely protective she is of them all. I mentioned earlier DK too has not heald from his PTSD. Vishaka by guilt tripping him had made his childhood miserable. There was none to love comfort or care for him and call her m as family.

The jury is still out on whether DK is just protecting till Vikrant comes to claim them.

I think where differences of opinion are coming from is how you have interpreted DK's actions pre-leap and those of us who dislike DK have interpreted them.

The guy had limited time with Vikrant preleap since he was going to leave him to his life but he spent majority of that time hanging around Mannat instead of creating lasting memories for himself with his brother. That's how those of us who oppose him have viewed him preleap. I will not even go into his actions and incompetence as a DCP that helped the vamps destroy Manvik.

With that view in mind it's hard to be sympathetic to his plight. I would be happy if he just becomes negative but that may be an easier way out for him

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Moor, bold, I think it's perception which plays into picture again isn't it? . The reason I wrote the statement is to show how biased writers are & how audience is already finding anticipatory bail for a side character who has committed crimes in the past, where as lead who is also a victim is Villified in each episode.

I don't even compare Vikrant with DK anymore, since for me Vikrant is a victim like Mannat whereas DK is not. DK swapped with Vikrant's life and pushed him into the darkness he originally was in with his vile mother. Now that he fears the status quo he has for himself might change, his bail is being prepared since audience wants to see him as God which was writers intentions to begin with. We can disagree on this since we already discussed this to depth .

And one thing I agree with you , Vikrant should get out of the I am victim face, if writers can write anything for him, but alas they are too busy.

And I maybe minority, I mentioned this in the past as well that I don't like DK from pre-leap of how he didn't care for Vikrant or Mannat's safety and was ready to put their life's at risk for Vish. So, let the writers explore this trait of him and make him a mastermind pre-leap with ARS and now post leap since he seems to be obsessed with Dua and Mannat with the way he keeps bitching about Vikrant. We can then have both ml and fl believing criminals instead of trusting each other and so they faced the consequences

RD... when you say anticipatory bail by other side... it honestly feels like a dig to people like me who do not resonate with your views. So a kind request to refrain from using that.

Now I suggest you please go through the second tweet I posted and to which me and Kidult initially discussed.

I will speak for myself and I dont have an issue with DK turning grey or being negative since the leap... itne saare villains hai usme ek aur sahi... 😑

My issue is that was not how it was presented pre leap. It did not look like he 'intended' to separate ManVik.

I have mentioned various instances to you in our prior discussions where DK actually went against his own mother and supported Mannat amd RoTu because they stood by the right side of things. What is growth if it was not that?

But if DK was negative all along (pre leap like you say or prior to entering SM like few on X say) then just like Mannat RoTu and even Vikrant... all of us have been royally fooled... except probably you. 🫡

The question that you pose of him being God and constructing a temple... no I dont see it that way... neither does majority of audience.

Most importantly Mannat doesnt.

The question of him being treated as God will arise only and only if Mannat decides to choose him against Vikrant... and even today Mannat has vouched for Vikrant.

So yeah... God treatment is only from the perspective of few viewers who hate DK. Characters might praise DK for what he did for them over the years. That doesnt mean they will choose DK over Vikrant. Thats not how a story works... certainly not ITV 😝

ML Kitna bhi kameena ho ... FL ML ke pass hi jayegi bhale hi last episode main.

Yaha to proper MU hai which is still not resolved and they have all the plans to drag it more.

That said.... the original tweet and our discussion was pertaining to how it would impact Dua. That's why I said read the second part of tweet.

You wont accept it openly that DK has contributed to a stable and sensible upbringing to Dua. Thats why you point why it should have been Viks life and not DKs. Its a sly acknowledgement that whatever the situation is in Indore... family life is a better one.

So credit where due is being given by some of us. DK has some good contribution to Duas life. The tweet was simply acknowledging that.

Dua is too young to understand the biology of her birth but she definitely is perceptive enough to understand who loves her and who doesnt. DK need not be negative for him to love Dua. He can nibhao that relationship independent of his feelings for Mannat. Not everything has to be seen from the lens of romantic feelings the character has.

If he turns out negative all along... it would seem like he not just used the trust adults on him but also a little child who has seen from birth. Thats an extremely sad fate for Dua.

And honestly thats not how its presented in the episodes. I wish you would see and accept that much atleast.

DKs intentions for Mannat is still a grey area. We dont know when they developed into the romantic side and why... when you too have accepted it looked brotherly on her wedding day.

My question to you all along has been this... why do you want DK to be negative? Why cant it be a case of good man taking wrong decisions... just like everyone else including Vik has done???? The ones that you repeatedly call crimes are contextual decisions turned out wrong... just like every other character.

Nobody intends to keep a score 😒

And why all the expectations from a side character on rectifying things or seeing growth and understanding in him when he is not the lead?????

When you say all this.. it is you who is comparing Vik and DK on the same scale... not me. Why does DK have to be included in any conversation when the discussion is about Viks faults???? Is it not giving a free pass to Vik???

I have always said I dont consider DK important enough to have a growth. Vik always and always has to be better than him. He should be the one growing up, having a redemption and winning back his love. Why should I bother about DK????

And you do know why I dont like DKs flip... thats a no no for me. Always has been.

Mera concern was always that DK shouldn't have romantic feelings for Mannat... but now even if he has ... that can stay independent and pure till he starts using or manipulating Dua against Vikrant/Mannat. 😭

Originally posted by: Bettyscar

Bold: Just to add. Mannat developed a friendship with DK in which she kept confidences with him and kept Vikrant in the dark about. What makes it bad is it was about Vikrant's history which he was unaware of. Vikrant pointed out to Mannat that she became closer to DK when he was supposed to be the one closest to her. The CA overshadowed this complaint of Vikrant and Mannat did not acknowledge the error she made in that regard. I feel Mannat has to be made to appreciate that mistake of hers.

We might be going in circles over this...but wasnt that the whole point????

Mannat was trying to protect Vikrant from the trauma of his past.... thats why she hid it... and DK was a default inclusion because he was part of that history.

Mannat made a mistake of hiding things.. and is paying a price for it....

But is it really a mistake when Vishakha is actually the bigger villain????

How do we ignore that what Mannat did was for Vikrants good will and not to harm him further?????

And why is only Mannat being brought up again and again when the original conspirators were RoTu????

Vik ka trauma is understandable .. nobody questions that.... but this exact trauma was what Mannat wanted to avoid ... to phir ye point baar baar aata kyun hai????

Originally posted by: Bettyscar

The jury is still out on whether DK is just protecting till Vikrant comes to claim them.

I think where differences of opinion are coming from is how you have interpreted DK's actions pre-leap and those of us who dislike DK have interpreted them.

The guy had limited time with Vikrant preleap since he was going to leave him to his life but he spent majority of that time hanging around Mannat instead of creating lasting memories for himself with his brother. That's how those of us who oppose him have viewed him preleap. I will not even go into his actions and incompetence as a DCP that helped the vamps destroy Manvik.

With that view in mind it's hard to be sympathetic to his plight. I would be happy if he just becomes negative but that may be an easier way out for him

Betty, I would love if this turns out to be true since there are just too many things pre-leap and now post leap. And don't think he will go out easily if they do go full fledged, considering DK now has several leverages and a pile of promises in his locker.

A character like Malla still continues to torture us, & for DK makers spent episodes to showcase his emotions 😭. And cherry on the top being, he used Mannat against Neetu which is too funny to ignore if this isn't pre-planned or makers are trolling the audience big time.

By the way aren't we past 3 days in Mannat land, wonder where Hasan is if he already started shooting 🤔

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Betty, I would love if this turns out to be true since there are just too many things pre-leap and now post leap. And don't think he will go out easily if they do go full fledged, considering DK now has several leverages and a pile of promises in his locker.

A character like Malla still continues to torture us, & for DK makers spent episodes to showcase his emotions 😭. And cherry on the top being, he used Mannat against Neetu which is too funny to ignore if this isn't pre-planned or makers are trolling the audience big time.

By the way aren't we past 3 days in Mannat land, wonder where Hasan is if he already started shooting 🤔

Is Gagan coming back early? With Bunty's family providing accommodation and the money for Neetu's treatment is meant to come from Vikrant probably timing of his entry is not now. Gagan has the power to end these misunderstandings as well i think. They surely got us excited for his re-entry.

The pile of promises is the trigger definitely. Imagine losing out on the promise of growing old together as friends with nightly chai sessions Let's see if he will be able to stay within his limits like he said to Neetu when there is fear of losing Mannat and Dua

Malla and Vish are going to make fun of DK and his feelings when they see him and realise he is in love with Mannat. He will be an open book to themI'm sure they will try to manipulate him and make him fear losing Mannat and Dua.