Sunn Mere Dil (GEO) #11 - Wahaj Ali, Maya Ali, Hira Mani - Page 41

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

Yes rants are more normal and just feel like unloading frustration and come more from a viewers point of view, not people trying to be critics.

the review landscape in us tv has changed a lot and lines are very blurry on critics vs reviewers (who give audience perspective). honestly you can now find better analysis by reviewers than critics. to many people, critics is just a gatekeeping thing. also seen many reviewers become critics after a certain level of success. for most reviewers I follow for us tv reviews, reviews are their main source of income and how their yt channels operate. so it's a business/profession for them as well. the point is critics vs reviewers is a very arbitrary distinction now.

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

WAHI TOH!!!! Aunty's opinion changed because Bilal spent money like water and automatically he became the golden boy - but by then Sadaf was overwhelmed with the amount of favours racking up.. its not her fault she did not want to marry him.
ehsaan ke badle ehsaan kiya ja sakta hai, mohhabat toh nahi kiya ja sakta haina ?

she did have some favourable feelings that could have transitioned to love if it had been given the time and space - but no one gave her that. Everyone kept breathing down her neck for marriage and ultimately she married Ammar because she thought at least he is HER choice - I accept it might have been a mistake, but domestic violence or him being an abusive ass is not and will never be justified. not to mention, even Hamsha said things about BA - how was she supposed to react ? should she take the words of people who *she thinks* has her welfare at heart or the man who is supposedly nice but she has heard only unsavory rumours about ? Before she could realise, a lot of things happened.

The thing is Bilal's timing and Sadaf's judgement both went wrong at that time.

The point its all about the execution...in those episodes,where Bilal brings rishta and Sadaf says bad things behind his back didn't make sense and made her look bipolar...there was so much imbalance between the two lead characters that it made viewers frustrated..Bilal looked totally angelic and pure and Sadaf looked totally selfish and bipolar..just imagine how would audience react?

That's why the impact of Sadaf not marrying Bilal Abdullah totally got lost in audience's perspective. Till now,Bilal and Sadaf as characters are not shippable to me at least,along with lot of audience...though I feel bad for Sadaf's breaking up of marriage...

Now it all depends on how they take it forward..

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

the review landscape in us tv has changed a lot and lines are very blurry on critics vs reviewers (who give audience perspective). honestly you can now find better analysis by reviewers than critics. to many people, critics is just a gatekeeping thing. also seen many reviewers become critics after a certain level of success. for most reviewers I follow for us tv reviews, reviews are their main source of income and how their yt channels operate. so it's a business/profession for them as well. the point is critics vs reviewers is a very arbitrary distinction now.

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

I don’t know if I’m right but I feel like Wahaj went completely silent after that enjoying the views post. I feel he was just trying to be funny but Haseeb entered the comments and hateful comments followed.

It wasn't just audience hateful comments.

The head of IDreams PH who is also the brother of Ary's CEO put a story shading Wahaj and Haseeb for that post and Haseeb's comment. ARY's PR rep put a post shading Haseeb for lack of grace. If industry bigwigs start to shade you and/or your project openly, that's a huge deal, especially in an industry where it's all about connections. Usama disowning SMD so overtly means he knows he won't get any blowback from the industry - you can imagine what that says about industry sentiments abut this project.

Originally posted by: BollyTalk

see this is the thing,everyone was impressed by his money spending ability on them but Sadaf was only thankful.She asked him for money out of desperation and she was ready to pay for it even in the twisted way.Bilal kept doing ehsaan on her and it made her feel uncomfortable.She felt she will be very powerless in their powerless in their relationship.The 8cr deal atleast gave her agency,but what a lifetime with him in exchange of his ehsaans will give her?And she would have started falling for Bilal if only they gave her some time.They all were hurrying her up for to make a decision.

ahh! something I have been trying to say! She is not ehsaan faramosh like so many people like to think. She was genuinely thankful and her opinion about him did take a turn. She did not want his umpteen favors, she would have liked him well without it had she had the time. She was desperate for money and he offered it, no holds barred. Even when he had the chance, he did not take advantage. That changed her mind, but she still felt heavily obliged.

exactly this!! even twisted, she wanted agency and did want to feel powerless or an apparent feeling of helplessness. I'm glad you pointed this out! She was not given time to think it through because she was the one who kicked Ammar out the firs time. It is just that everyone kept crowding her for a decision and she picked out the first guy who SHE CHOSE. her agency was involved and Sadaf is the kind of person who would never take it lightly.

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

Agreed but the KDH peeps trying to act like their objective is to provide valuable feedback to all those involved and I don’t buy it

They have said many times they don't want to review, have nothing positive to say, and are being forced to do it by the producers of KDH because of audience demand (which obviously means views). Two things are not mutually exclusive though. Your feedback can be valuable while you are being made to review for views. They are excessively critical and trying to be funny for funny sake, but they have made some very solid points too that I have agreed with.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

There is a difference between a good project which doesn't get numbers and a really bad project which gets roasted and negative audience feedback (plus also not get good numbers). Numm was a hatke project - it was a pretty good drama actually, just not a hit. Askk, I remember got audience backlash cos Fawad's cktr would go drinking in a pub. Ashk wasn't that great but it was just average bad. If Mein and SMD were just average bad like Namak Haram or Ashkk or they were good projects that didn't get numbers (like Mann Jogi or Numm), that would've been still ok.

Besides, Fawad also gave Akbari Asghari, ZGH and Kuch Pyar Ka Pagalpan in same timeframe so that was able to overcome Ashk & Numm bad numbers..

I will say that no matter how much we deny it, these negative reviews, week after week does affect perception. Now if this show was amazing and loved by the masses, then of course it could overcome it. It has issues and we have all pointed them out. I don’t find every single thing in it problematic like some of these reviewers do. I don’t think the general YouTube watching audience was finding it so problematic….even they’re complaining about the slow pace now 🤣 They really tested our patience with this after wedding, never ending track. The hate from industry insiders especially seems a bit extreme to me.

Everyone is worried about Wahaj’s recent projects and want him to take a break. He has. He took his time filming SMD and it underperformed as per expectations. Now we don’t even know what, if anything he has signed. He could disappear for years and come back with a dud. Personally I think it’s better to keep going.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

It wasn't just audience hateful comments.

The head of IDreams PH who is also the brother of Ary's CEO put a story shading Wahaj and Haseeb for that post and Haseeb's comment. ARY's PR rep put a post shading Haseeb for lack of grace. If industry bigwigs start to shade you and/or your project openly, that's a huge deal, especially in an industry where it's all about connections. Usama disowning SMD so overtly means he knows he won't get any blowback from the industry - you can imagine what that says about industry sentiments abut this project.

Originally posted by: kuhelidebbarma

The thing is Bilal's timing and Sadaf's judgement both went wrong at that time.

The point its all about the execution...in those episodes,where Bilal brings rishta and Sadaf says bad things behind his back didn't make sense and made her look bipolar...there was so much imbalance between the two lead characters that it made viewers frustrated..Bilal looked totally angelic and pure and Sadaf looked totally selfish and bipolar..just imagine how would audience react?

That's why the impact of Sadaf not marrying Bilal Abdullah totally got lost in audience's perspective. Till now,Bilal and Sadaf as characters are not shippable to me at least,along with lot of audience...though I feel bad for Sadaf's breaking up of marriage...

Now it all depends on how they take it forward..

bipolar is a serious mental condition which should not be referred lightly but I do not think she was being bipolar. When someone forces us to take a decision, we often tend to make hasty decisions that we might regret later. She had only heard rumours about him so far. so when he brought rishta, she was left floundering. did she accept the rishta based on her gut instinct and what she knew of the man or was she supposed to reject it considering what she heard of him and moreover of someone who her mother did not approve? the shoe bites only if worn..

@teal: that is exactly what KRQ or whoever devised the script wanted I guess. Bilal is the farishta and Sadaf is the cruel, *selfish* lady who did not respect someone who loved her. So does that mean she should have told him yes even though she did not have any feelings for him only based on the favours he did ? she is marrying him, not doing a favour on him. A marriage done as a favour would never stand. Does not a girl have the right to say NO - no matter what the guy has done for her ? that is the crux of the issue. Every single woman has the right to choose her life partner, and it need not be because he has favored her/ helped her. Bilal might have loved her but Sadaf had no such feelings for him.

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

Well then it’s a very immature industry!

That industry is actually immature and weird...they always keep on fighting among themselves...the whole industry is running on favouritism. Instead of doing something constructive,all are busy pulling down others and passing mean comments. That's why the industry is not able to produce big budget movies because there is lack of unity..!!