KMTMG Discussions Thread #11 - Page 28

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

I'll agree. Dialogues, screenwriting - what they choose to show and more specifically what they choose not to show - have been the worst I've come across (in my limited exposure).

Do sometimes wonder why it is so... do they want to drag the thing without any conclusion, keep it how it is... cause they aren't yet ready to take it where they want to... idk.

"I will never accept her as my daughter in law"... good dialogue perhaps but impact??? kya pata.

Bold - Maybe they want things open ended, so that they can create more tracks out of those loose ends. If they close a track logically, they can't reopen it. This is my guess but it is as good as yours.

I wonder if the writers themselves know why they are doing what they are doing 🙄🙄

Haan... woh mujhe bhi lagta hai - outcome will be something along the lines of get rid of Ammu for her good (bohot time ho gaya ye mode me aake).

Ooo... secret sources.... hmm....

Hmmm hi

Becharey ko uber driver banadiya

He did double master that too in abroad and handeld a company and he us driving car 🚗 😳 😑

He can take tutorial classes to students or even try in university bolo

Hmm i think ex will blackmail amu to get separated from virat then only she will let virat come out if jail

1st para: Criticism may be of Virat (and Ammu) but it is also about how the writers are handling the characters.

2nd: Yup... Virat is the more 'exciting' character and Amruta the more 'principled' one. This reminded me of the deer and the headlight thing after a long time (if you have read it in my posts here before). Ammu will go on with her life - good or bad - and what he used to do most of the time until recently is surprise her in good or bad ways to shock her out of her day to day life.

3rd para: Yup. I liked that version of Virat too - which was much more genuine than he is right now. It was also a bit too 'good' - but the writers used it to whitewash him of what he had done before.

4th: onwards, I have multiple issues with how they have shown these developments - be it from Virat or Amruta or the rest (say, Bhavani). May be I can address them in separate posts if needed. Viewers are not the ones who are supposed to give the justifications for what was done.. its the writers job to show it. In one way 'they are destined to be together' can be used to justify anything with no explanation required - so 'do whatever one wants to... it doesn't matter cause they are after all destined to be together.'

The mela wedding needless to say was the lowest point in the show and it was important that the writers deal with it in appropriately. May be you can think about stories or shows you have seen / read and liked and look at the low points in them - how the writer(s) have handled that low point. Chances are the treatment will be much better. Forget what Virat did, Amruta from what she was shown as and 'done before', I had expected her to walk away (even run away if needed)... given she walked out of the proposal of Ankit (who is now magically Shubh). Of course, they again changed it now by making him as the guy who walked away from it. They butchered her after the mela incident just because they can show VA together - 'married or not married' or 'its complicated'. For them all that matters is VA have to be together.

[I do watch the whole ep every day as it drops... may be that's a difference too.]

Thanks for the post btw. It does show to me what the writers are trying to do and perhaps what the cast think is being shown.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Haan... woh mujhe bhi lagta hai - outcome will be something along the lines of get rid of Ammu for her good (bohot time ho gaya ye mode me aake).

Ooo... secret sources.... hmm....

But I don't understand why that woman police said those to Virat.What's the reason?Did qwween buy that lady police too? seeing the new bts,I think Virat will say something like 'I don't deserve you, I'm culprit, you deserve better'(I'm telling you if he will say something like this,I will be more than happy because I want he feels himself unworthy for her after did those wrong things with her,he needs to realize that he treated her like a doormat,he was a jerk for her and then if Amruta will forgive him, I'm with her♥️He needs to hate himself,and believe me if he will realize above those,his character will be improve at least for me,till now he never blame himself much that how he destroyed her,he blamed Abhiraj, Gautam and now Shubh but not himself,he can't see her with other guy as he can't believe other guy but I want he realize he too is same like untrustworthy guy,and it will be his redemption for me and then I will really forgive him as I am really so soft towards him, maybe because it's playing by Arjit 🥺♥️)

Yeah secret and almost confirm source

Originally posted by: Afrinaparvin

But I don't understand why that woman police said those to Virat.What's the reason?Did qwween buy that lady police too? seeing the new bts,

I think Virat will say something like 'I don't deserve you, I'm culprit, you deserve better'(I'm telling you if he will say something like this,I will be more than happy because I want he feels himself unworthy for her after did those wrong things with her,he needs to realize that he treated her like a doormat,he was a jerk for her and ...

He needs to hate himself,and believe me if he will realize above those,his character will be improve at least for me,till now he never blame himself much that how he destroyed her,he blamed Abhiraj, Gautam and now Shubh but not himself,he can't see her with other guy as he can't believe other guy but I want he realize he too is same like untrustworthy guy,and it will be his redemption for me and then I will really forgive him as I am really so soft towards him, maybe because it's playing by Arjit 🥺♥️)

then if Amruta will forgive him, I'm with her♥️

Yeah secret and almost confirm source

You insisting for the last 3 posts that it will happen, now makes me think it will happen too. 'Der aaye durust aaye' to nahi bol sakta... Der aaye but chalo aa to gaye. Can understand it was too big a load on the two and half peanuts in his peabrain.

But on a serious note: They delayed it a lot. Should've happened after Babita was exposed. Her staying back would've made sense too. His aplologies, to me most of the time felt fake - if not the act itself, the dialogues he used many times - 'patao', 'manao', 'impress'... didn't give me the impression that he is aware of what he has done.

There should be a reason they delayed it.... and may be we will find out why in the coming eps.

Italics: I'll agree. (Woman police officer saying it is perhaps hinting towards that too.) [There were a couple of women police officers during the grand and beautiful mela wedding. Could've shown one of them is here.]

Bold: Unfortunately Ammu has been shown as a doormat who has already forgiven him... kyu? kaise? I have no idea.

Can be said her being who she is has transformed him... well... good. Can also be said she had seen enough good in him for her to be sure he will be transformed. I'll agree with that too. Her faith, perhaps not in him but what she believes in, may have ended up transforming him too. Thats good too. It was dangerous and she is lucky it worked. [I have more thoughts on this. May be I'll mention it in another post later - unorganised hai.]

She could've been shown not as a doormat but an aware person who knows what she is doing along with being in love with him. Some 3-4 thought monologues at appropriate times would've gone a long way. 'Purani baat hai' and 'kab tak pakde baithoge' is a disgusting excuse and makes me think she is just lucky... anyone else in her situation, its probably better to run away. [ekdum regressive lagta hai.]

Hmm... yeah.. quite possible Jan Feb me off air ho jayega... Though I do think woh time pe ZRA hai to uske baad hi hoga.

Recent years the purpose of average budget spent ZRA by Hindi channel got reduced to give platform to promote and encourage its new and upcoming shows with its characters and jodi's, draw some media and SM attention, gain some ad / sponsor revenues, rather than celebration of what channel and its shows achieved during last one year of their run.

Another intent is, weeks before and during telecast of main event on some Sunday, get more paid subscriber TV viewership towards their shows along with main ZRA event, but last few years in BOTH fronts channel failed, also in gaining TRPs to its shows or to main ZRA event.

Yep channel tries selling main event before its recorded in studios/grounds to advertisers using popular stars like Shabir, Sriti, Arjun, Dheeraj, Shraddha, Shweta etc. as participants and stage performers, but still recent years main ZRA event was average to failure, so using expensive stars doesn't have to matter much, when script, coverage and performances on stage are also underwhelming.

Over the years strongly feel its a humbug called ZRA this channel shells out year after year, with silly categories & meme worthy selections for ridiculous distribution awards some way or other to major cast & crew present, rather than recognition of talent, performance caliber, popularity, audience reception or hard work.

E.g.

At 10.30pm on 21st Feb 24 next gen leap actually started telecasting in Rabbseehaidua, but with next gen leads WITHOUT even getting combination scenes, Zee team already gave shared award for naya jodi on same 21st Feb evening in main ZRA event held in Mumbai.

Will talk about what is for me the lowest hanging fruit here: The annulment papers (what you mentioned as alimony papers).

• He felt ashamed that he has behaved with Amruta the same way Rajeev has behaved with Nimrit. [Important to note 'ashamed' not 'guilt'... may be he had guilt but the shame was much more visible and overwhelming. His ego took a beating.]
• Ideally, he should've apologised. He couldn't. I think not strong enough guilt led to this. By apologising he was looking for a face saver (think he mentioned it to Dildaar too).
• 'Will you forgive me?' is what he could manage... they were disturbed before she could answer.
• He gives her the annulment papers (probably signed) the first time. He says 'its independence day, so I thought you should get freedom from this forced relationship too.' [the tone is almost begging or hoping she wont sign.] (Cant this be looked at as owner freeing his slave for the kind act the slave has done by saving his sister?) That's an exaggeration of course... but there is a grain of truth in it.
• Annoyed, she says thank you and leaves. He stops her. 'I and U ke beech me kya hai?' now the hoping she wont sign has become overt.
• He then mentions give me some time... so that I can figure out what's b/w I and U... then shayad tumhe aazadi milega (or 'mile na' couldn't hear properly). [Interesting and important bit here: What if he finds out there is nothing b/w I and U? She should sign and leave? If he finds out there is something b/w I and U but she has done her job of exposing Babs and she leaves... what then? Will she not be 'free'? She should take it even if she doesn't want to?
• "Haan... but agar jawab nahi mila toh... aazaadi tumhari"... [Oh... Thank Thee Your Lordship!!! Eternally grateful I am that Thou thinkest me am worthy of thy benevolence!!! How kind of Thou!!!]
• Of course... he asks "Do you agree?" ['consent is important' after all, seems to be a new lesson he has learnt.] She says "I dont understand"... she probably meant something else (why are you giving me this now?)... and he takes it to be something else "even I dont understand" (what's b/w us) which becomes the more important thing to figure... [I didn't watch further while writing this.]

[btw... just saw the scene in the two eps... there are times she is about to say something but he cuts her and says things.]

I wont call that an act of redemption, though I have seen many comments referring to it as so. May be the writers meant it as a redemptive act too... and don't realise it wasn't. [For me, at best it was a face saving move.]

Yup. Thats the other side that I mentioned (was it here or in SM thread?)... it used to be the case a couple of years back that ZRA was a big event. Dont think it has the same importance now. But still will be pretty odd to have an event without any big stars in it, if Kaise ends, its likely Shabir will end up being the only 'big' star for the event.