Jhanak Written Update And Episode Discussion thread No 85. - Page 118

https://youtu.be/h8VZJltEH3I?feature=shared I want this to happen . Please makers IF anchor ki baat sun lo aur ANI ko vamp se bachaao. As of now Arshi didi is only listening to her mother but when she will know about multiple affairs of her mom will she listen to her. Also whenever ANI wants to normalise his life kuch to hota hai jisse runak ko milna padta hai. Till Arshi does not know Nutan is jhanak she will keep trying pyar se but when she will know that she is jhanak then she might plan fake pregnancy. But pyar se try karne ka ANI par koi farak nahi padega he is already sold to jhanak .

Originally posted by: shanakanj

https://youtu.be/h8VZJltEH3I?feature=shared I want this to happen . Please makers IF anchor ki baat sun lo aur ANI ko vamp se bachaao. As of now Arshi didi is only listening to her mother but when she will know about multiple affairs of her mom will she listen to her. Also whenever ANI wants to normalise his life kuch to hota hai jisse runak ko milna padta hai. Till Arshi does not know Nutan is jhanak she will keep trying pyar se but when she will know that she is jhanak then she might plan fake pregnancy. But pyar se try karne ka ANI par koi farak nahi padega he is already sold to jhanak .

Bhad mein jaye makers!! 😂 I am happy trolling them all!!😜😜 Ab mujhe unse koi expectations nahi hai...kuchh achha dikhaye to achhi baat hai..nahi dikhaye to bhi koi naii...

Originally posted by: shanakanj

https://www.instagram.com/stories/pisalkajal/3496733310182718490?igsh=cWllbTNzd2FoY3Rv So the promo will come later or might not come . They are shooting for dance competition in the promo costumes . I guess the revelation of Nutan and SM as mother should happen in the competition that’s a bigger stage and Vinu knowing the truth of SM and Nutan looks weird. After knowing the truth which will be revealed at stage Vinu Kala might give divorce to SM.

So like the Diwali promo , the party promo was also fake...exposure is on stage.....

Pata nahi what they are trying to shoot, so much waste of money is all I see...😏😏

Originally posted by: PPak

Bold 100%. Content needs to be worth spending time on. Took your advice and stayed away from the episodes. It just makes me feel sad on account of a bad demise to a beautiful start.

It always happens this way tho...even n Imlie they made the ML so stupid and ineffective that it was difficult to respect him or give any relevance to his emotions.

Somehow in that show the ML got replaced, here with laachaar seeming and flip flopping Ani still very much ML - there is no more hope.

What interests me still is whether they really relegated Urvasi as a simple good yet delusional woman who talked herself into imagining love and marriage to BBG or is there another twist here. Shristi kept saying J is repeating what her mom did, which means Shristi believes Urvasi deceived her wrt BBG. So is there a misunderstanding for SM wrt BBG and Urvasi or is part of the story still not out? For now that interests me more than Runak.

Ani's love for J has been watered down so much with his acceptance of Arshi. At least if they had not shown him maligning Arshi post J's perceived demise - I would have been ok. Having him mouth all those insults to Arshi and then have him go to her for comfort - yuck...what a character.

Tell me one thing as a writer does Leena realize the end does not justify the means and that the means can kill the effectiveness of a story? Is that why this concept was projected to Ani as well? Just bringing Runak does not erase from most viewers minds the path that led to it with the brutally dilution of characterizations and emotions...or does it?

The real issue for me is they could have easily written up an Ani who was acting nice to Arshi to get her to stay and not really being a weak man - so he can expose her - etc. But Leena chooses intentionally to degrade her ML. She seems to be acting like someone who overall has a very poor opnion of all men in general - which leaves such a bad taste in the mouth.

Back to where you and I often disagree - I cannot agree that this is writers laziness; this is intentional killing of ML's character and strength. :)

Fingers crossed; there is something salvagable from this mess of a story, tho I dont hold out much hope. One more thing - I want to see if Arshi will indeed give up Ani once she realizes her mom's story; or if I was wrong in that regard.

Hmmm Priya I don’t think it is the writer’s laziness…did I say laziness? I usually call this lack of integrity … Ofc commerce also plays a role but a writer must have basic integrity to the story. If it’s a love story, the endgame and path must be largely laid out and deviations while understandable but it must not be at the cost of the core.That’s integrity in my books… it’s also recognising that one can’t stretch a simple premise beyond a point. Here, I agree with you that Leena uses Ani’s character to achieve that but if you note she also does the same with J’s character but the difference is Ani is made to regress and J shows minimal progress..It hits us differently coz we are a more egalitarian audience set which is discerning but Leena is betting on the larger trp audience which she feels will find it easier to accept men are fickle and women sacrificing. It’s a patriarchal entrenching she is resorting to maintain equilibrium and longevit but she is playing a dicey game imv… I will try to explain this…

I understand that the medium has its constraints where showing the quick resolution of conflicts will mean the end of the story in many ways and in a pure love story that is indeed a challenge. Which is why the basic premise of Ani’s conflict in love was a long drawn feature but somehow it worked ( at least for me) that a man could keep fighting his feelings and remain in a conflicted state when committed to a relationship. It’s not about whether such a distinction ( zimmedari vs love) is possible in mind but the story transitioned beautifully making me believe that zimmedari turned to love after a kashmakash ( I find English equivalent underwhelming to describe this phase) 😂 Similarly,Jhanak’s running away might irritate but the backstory, her peculiar traits, her duality worked for me when their love story was being built. I could accept that she will resist more than Ani even if the two will gravitate towards each other.

HOWEVER

It’s time to move the action and for that Leena needed to establish the conflict clearly in which department she has been very weak and noncommittal; it’s like the audience has to decide the roadblock in the story. It isn’t enough to keep throwing Ani and Jhanak under the bus, making one vacillating and another a runaway Arshi is in that montage but Leena never worked on that character to make her relevant to explain why these two idiots must be so deferential…or rather she made Arshi an odd character who is by turns stupid and by turns manipulative. I never can understand in the narrative the odd pressure for keeping Arshi relevant without emphasis…it’s like I have to accept it cos they are saying it 😂😂😂. Ani was shown having an epiphany after the HA where he goes to the extent of saying he will part with her and take legal steps if necessary… What is the legality of this union no one is clear… then they made Ani capitulate to ask her to stay back… Why? Expediency… cos the writer doesn’t have the courage to all out state that this is a situation where Arshi is already installed as a wife ( it’s like Leena saying maaf kardo main shadi ka rasm dikhana bhul gayee) My point is Ani’s situation will be more amenable to me as an audience if I can sense that Arshi is installed as a wife ( galti se hi sahi) coz I can appreciate that getting out of a problem isn’t as easy as a non committed bond cos there is a price to pay at least in the legal terms. Then at least it is possible to understand why Ani ki majboori but as of now he is made to look like an idiot.

By simply saying she is a “wife” will not make her a wife… and the audience isn’t going to react to this well; this is not her regional audience that may not have an issue about a man living a dual life. The Hindi audience is an odd mix… they can watch endless senseless kitchen politics play out over two women fighting for a man ( man isn’t even in the picture 😂😂) but oddly they have clear demarcation on what constitutes wife’s Haq and who the other woman is… they don’t enjoy any vacillating on that.

My observation is the way other serials manage longevity is by adding the kitchen politics and senseless drama. AY made a very good point the other day about this serial being oddly irreverent about these things and in my view that’s a comforting thing about this serial. But it also means it has a shelf life too..I hope Leena has a view of this while she is busy mixing her content from various serials.

You asked an interesting question about ends and means projecting on the story… I can’t claim to know Leena’s mind so difficult to say if she wants to make such a point but I have different perspective about this. I want to understand what’s exactly the thing Ani is considered guilty of by the writer? She has built the love story with such a solid basis making a lot of us including the trp audience invest in that love story…. If now she wants to say that such unions aren’t easy or whatever may be her perspective… I can only say she has no understanding of the concept of love itself. It is perspective that matters most in a story. I haven’t seen Leena build any perspective for Arshi so I am unable to empathise with her situation beyond the very basic that she was owed an explanation and a decent closure… I can’t install her in this story as Ani’s partner cos I never saw them as compatible ever. I don’t know if I have answered my question but that’s my twopence 😂😂😂

Sorry it turned out be a long rambling post 🤗 aadat se majboor.. something about this story that I find oddly fascinating 😂😂😂

Originally posted by: MayaFruitbae

So like the Diwali promo , the party promo was also fake...exposure is on stage.....

Pata nahi what they are trying to shoot, so much waste of money is all I see...😏😏

Jaha paise kharchne chahiye waha nahi karte ye log...Kashmir episodes where shot in Mumbai only ..no festivals..Titular character's costumes used to be dud...No grand parties like Ekta serials...nothing ..bas ye ek hall hai jo book kar lete hai kuchh bhi ho!😂😂

I hope BBG ka OG Kathak Guru hona aur Vinayak ka Srishti ka EMA disclose dance competition me hi ho jaye! Fir se Naya set up bana k Srishti expose nahi dekhna hai!🤧 Let the story move!

Originally posted by: sanfan

Hmmm Priya I don’t think it is the writer’s laziness…did I say laziness? I usually call this lack of integrity … Ofc commerce also plays a role but a writer must have basic integrity to the story. If it’s a love story, the endgame and path must be largely laid out and deviations while understandable but it must not be at the cost of the core.That’s integrity in my books… it’s also recognising that one can’t stretch a simple premise beyond a point. Here, I agree with you that Leena uses Ani’s character to achieve that but if you note she also does the same with J’s character but the difference is Ani is made to regress and J shows minimal progress..It hits us differently coz we are a more egalitarian audience set which is discerning but Leena is betting on the larger trp audience which she feels will find it easier to accept men are fickle and women sacrificing. It’s a patriarchal entrenching she is resorting to maintain equilibrium and longevit but she is playing a dicey game imv… I will try to explain this…

I understand that the medium has its constraints where showing the quick resolution of conflicts will mean the end of the story in many ways and in a pure love story that is indeed a challenge. Which is why the basic premise of Ani’s conflict in love was a long drawn feature but somehow it worked ( at least for me) that a man could keep fighting his feelings and remain in a conflicted state when committed to a relationship. It’s not about whether such a distinction ( zimmedari vs love) is possible in mind but the story transitioned beautifully making me believe that zimmedari turned to love after a kashmakash ( I find English equivalent underwhelming to describe this phase) 😂 Similarly,Jhanak’s running away might irritate but the backstory, her peculiar traits, her duality worked for me when their love story was being built. I could accept that she will resist more than Ani even if the two will gravitate towards each other.

HOWEVER

It’s time to move the action and for that Leena needed to establish the conflict clearly in which department she has been very weak and noncommittal; it’s like the audience has to decide the roadblock in the story. It isn’t enough to keep throwing Ani and Jhanak under the bus, making one vacillating and another a runaway Arshi is in that montage but Leena never worked on that character to make her relevant to explain why these two idiots must be so deferential…or rather she made Arshi an odd character who is by turns stupid and by turns manipulative. I never can understand in the narrative the odd pressure for keeping Arshi relevant without emphasis…it’s like I have to accept it cos they are saying it 😂😂😂. Ani was shown having an epiphany after the HA where he goes to the extent of saying he will part with her and take legal steps if necessary… What is the legality of this union no one is clear… then they made Ani capitulate to ask her to stay back… Why? Expediency… cos the writer doesn’t have the courage to all out state that this is a situation where Arshi is already installed as a wife ( it’s like Leena saying maaf kardo main shadi ka rasm dikhana bhul gayee) My point is Ani’s situation will be more amenable to me as an audience if I can sense that Arshi is installed as a wife ( galti se hi sahi) coz I can appreciate that getting out of a problem isn’t as easy as a non committed bond cos there is a price to pay at least in the legal terms. Then at least it is possible to understand why Ani ki majboori but as of now he is made to look like an idiot.

By simply saying she is a “wife” will not make her a wife… and the audience isn’t going to react to this well; this is not her regional audience that may not have an issue about a man living a dual life. The Hindi audience is an odd mix… they can watch endless senseless kitchen politics play out over two women fighting for a man ( man isn’t even in the picture 😂😂) but oddly they have clear demarcation on what constitutes wife’s Haq and who the other woman is… they don’t enjoy any vacillating on that.

My observation is the way other serials manage longevity is by adding the kitchen politics and senseless drama. AY made a very good point the other day about this serial being oddly irreverent about these things and in my view that’s a comforting thing about this serial. But it also means it has a shelf life too..I hope Leena has a view of this while she is busy mixing her content from various serials.

You asked an interesting question about ends and means projecting on the story… I can’t claim to know Leena’s mind so difficult to say if she wants to make such a point but I have different perspective about this. I want to understand what’s exactly the thing Ani is considered guilty of by the writer? She has built the love story with such a solid basis making a lot of us including the trp audience invest in that love story…. If now she wants to say that such unions aren’t easy or whatever may be her perspective… I can only say she has no understanding of the concept of love itself. It is perspective that matters most in a story. I haven’t seen Leena build any perspective for Arshi so I am unable to empathise with her situation beyond the very basic that she was owed an explanation and a decent closure… I can’t install her in this story as Ani’s partner cos I never saw them as compatible ever. I don’t know if I have answered my question but that’s my twopence 😂😂😂

Sorry it turned out be a long rambling post 🤗 aadat se majboor.. something about this story that I find oddly fascinating 😂😂😂

Leena is new to the Hindi serial market.. that's why she didn't show Anishit marriage in fear of losing audience...but in her regional shows she without any hesitation shows PL ML marriage and rishta!🤣 And you're right ..atp Ani's majboori has no real basis except proving him to be a weak man who cannot stay true to his words..

Originally posted by: MayaFruitbae

So like the Diwali promo , the party promo was also fake...exposure is on stage.....

Pata nahi what they are trying to shoot, so much waste of money is all I see...😏😏

They are badmaash people

Just fooling the audience and taking advantage of our love for Krushal/Hiba & Runak 🤦🏻‍♀️

Originally posted by: shanakanj

https://youtu.be/h8VZJltEH3I?feature=shared I want this to happen . Please makers IF anchor ki baat sun lo aur ANI ko vamp se bachaao. As of now Arshi didi is only listening to her mother but when she will know about multiple affairs of her mom will she listen to her. Also whenever ANI wants to normalise his life kuch to hota hai jisse runak ko milna padta hai. Till Arshi does not know Nutan is jhanak she will keep trying pyar se but when she will know that she is jhanak then she might plan fake pregnancy. But pyar se try karne ka ANI par koi farak nahi padega he is already sold to jhanak .

Ani ne jhanak ko pehchan bhi liya toh bechara kya hi ukhad lega? She'll be back to her mujhe aaram se rehne dijiye papa ke paas,go back to your married life and .......give didi some babies pls 🙏

Originally posted by: ninaMAXWELL08

Ani ne jhanak ko pehchan bhi liya toh bechara kya hi ukhad lega? She'll be back to her mujhe aaram se rehne dijiye papa ke paas,go back to your married life and .......give didi some babies pls 🙏

Ub to new excuse behan bhi ha didi🤨😜

Originally posted by: ninaMAXWELL08

Ani ne jhanak ko pehchan bhi liya toh bechara kya hi ukhad lega? She'll be back to her mujhe aaram se rehne dijiye papa ke paas,go back to your married life and .......give didi some babies pls 🙏

I am worried for Bhola Ani ... Dusra HA k alawa J wapas nahi anewali! 🤧 Goshhh!!! Leena Mata bas Ani k izzat ko baksh de! 🥴