Drunk Anuj taunt Anupama for her friendship with Yashdeep - Page 2

Ok. I have a doubt.

Anuj is wrong (and mind you the accusations are Correct) because he led Shruti and did NOT clarify his feelings to her, until the truth came out by itself.

Yashdeep has been ALL over the place and as can be seen by everyone, his intentions speak of more than friendship, something that his friend showed to Anupama, Paritosh and Anuj in their own way told her. He even called a couple of their times out together as "dates". Her interactions with Beeji have also spoken of how she is wanting a bahu like her for her heartbroken son, Yashdeep. From cleaning and waitressing to cooking to "kind-of chief of staff" in a matter of weeks, may be months despite hardly ever working, staying at his place.

Anupama still pleads innocence? She does Not owe an answer to Vanraj, Anuj and even Paritosh. But does that give her a license to lead Yashdeep?

What would it take for Anupama to Clarify to Yashdeep that she is not seeking love but just pure friendship

How are the two sequences different?

If Anuj wanted a "Nanny" for Aadhya, should it mean, Anupama needs a means for her sponsored udaan?

About employer and employees:

It works both ways right.

There are cases of men falsely accused of harassment and cases where women are subdued due to fear.

If there is the bad, there is the good as well, right?

Have we not seen many instances of co-workers being happily married? Bosses in love with their team members and couples leading a happy life?

So, how does one determine which is which unless

when either of the parties raises an alarm and is thoroughly and impartially investigated?

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

About employer and employees:

It works both ways right.

There are cases of men falsely accused of harassment and cases where women are subdued due to fear.

If there is the bad, there is the good as well, right?

Have we not seen many instances of co-workers being happily married? Bosses in love with their team members and couples leading a happy life?

So, how does one determine which is which unless

when either of the parties raises an alarm and is thoroughly and impartially investigated?

Corporate rules (particularly in America) are very clear about the dynamic of an employee boss relationship. The power balance is so off. Take the case of Anupama here, she is dependent on her job to just be in America, she lived in his house and had nowhere to go. He could easily blackmail her about informing authorities to be deported or to fire her and throw her on the streets. 

When there are genuine emotions or attraction brewing, the suggestion is for the employee to find another job and then the two indulge in a relationship without any conflict of interest.

Think of it also from the viewpoint of other employees. Your boss is in an affair with your team member, you will always see bias, if the employee is ever promoted, no one will believe they deserve it, etc.

Most corporates including the one I work for are very clear, you shouldn't report to someone you are having a relationship with (even for managers managers manager, relationship between equals are fine but you still need to be in different teams and cannot join same one). Corporates have to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest even if no actual conflict exists. 

Kabhi  vanraj  kavya  ka boss  tha aur kavya  uski junior thi 

Dono  vanraj  aur kavya  saath saath  office  ke lunch break  mein akele kamre main baith saath  saath  lunch Kiya karte they aur is Tarah  Tarah  boss vanraj   aur employee kavya  nastha  karte karte office  apna  dukhda rote they   unme dosti  hui phir vanraj  aur kavya  ek doosre ke Ghar jaane lage 

Vanraj  seedhe Bina shaadi  ke kavya  ke Ghar jaakar kur Bed pe rehne laga 

Phir boss  vanraj  ne employee kavya  ko resort le gaya aur wahan  se  use ring di aur kavya  ka favorite  flavor  that is Red velvet  cake mangwaya aur  kavya  ka birthday  maanaya,

So this is the love story  boss vanraj  and junior kavya when both  use to work together  at office

Koi nahin, agar Anupama-Yashdeep ki shaadi hoti hain toh successful love story bhi dekhne mil jayegi boss-employee ki.

Waise dekha jaye toh Anupama-Anuj were a successful employee-boss love story, nahin?

Originally posted by: Criticiser

Anooj is just jealous that someone else was able to woo his masaledani 

Funny how he is becoming drunk after being with Doshu. Wonder what sasta Kabir Singh Crapadia will do next..

Unlike Vanraj or Toshu, Puppy Kapadia, the biz tycoon does not have the gall to taunt/call out Maa when he is sober. He could only do it in his dream or when drunk!! 

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

About employer and employees:

It works both ways right.

There are cases of men falsely accused of harassment and cases where women are subdued due to fear.

If there is the bad, there is the good as well, right?

Have we not seen many instances of co-workers being happily married? Bosses in love with their team members and couples leading a happy life?

So, how does one determine which is which unless

when either of the parties raises an alarm and is thoroughly and impartially investigated?

Where do you see Anupamaa falsely accusing anyone let alone a man who signs her paycheck? Any time anyone bring any form of sexual harrassment, someone has to bring up fALsE ACcUSAtioNs as if the first reaction to anyone speaking of surviving through sexual violence the logical reaction should be "were they asking for it?" and thEY mUst BE lYing."

The utter victim-blaming attitudes on this forun about literally everything is nauseating. "Dimpy wasn't grateful enough so her MIL slapping her is a-okay." "There is no fault in Vanraj, the baby-trapping adulterer, domestic  abuser because his victim called Anuj "Mr." because who doesn't call their friend's fiance-cum-ex with special pet names." "She isn't draWing BoUNdAries wiTh heR bOss's brothER. SHe iZ rEZpoNsiBle for AnY hYpOtHeticAl HArrAsmEnT" Bruh, maybe she likes Deepu's company/attention/friendship. As if taking a lift from a boss in the dead of the night in a strange country allows them to creep on a subordinate.  Anuj is not her HR that she'd need to justify her conflict of interest with him. Anuj or Vanraj have no moral or social grounds to question her. Bhai tumhari mangetar ke maa-baap ka dehant ho gaya, tum uss par dhyaan do na.

And the onus of appropriate workplace conduct is anyhow on the superior. If a subordinate is being inappropriate, they need to report the subordinate to HR instead of creeping up on them. Say, Upma even asks Yashdeep to not spend time with her, a) what is stopping him from retaliating and kicking her out of a job and risking her immigration status (even if we forget the fact that Anupamaa might be completely okay with his friendship) b) Her being okay with his behaviour now doesn't give him a right to harrass her later c) Anuj ka kya lena dena? 

She is a blue-collar migrant in a small diner in a foreign land, and people here really think that it is a two-way street with the boss/boss' family lol.

Workplace harassment laws are designed the way they are because consent is fraught when the other person holds the power to render you homeless and insuranceless lol. U.S has even stricter laws about this where "consented" workplace relationship between boss-employee is still open to a sexual harassment lawsuit precisely because a boss always has power not only over an employee's job security but also access to healthcare and immigration status.

This show is not and never was about Anooj's pheelz but whatever.

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

Where do you see Anupamaa falsely accusing anyone let alone a man who signs her paycheck? Any time anyone bring any form of sexual harrassment, someone has to bring up fALsE ACcUSAtioNs as if the first reaction to anyone speaking of surviving through sexual violence the logical reaction should be "were they asking for it?" and thEY mUst BE lYing."

The utter victim-blaming attitudes on this forun about literally everything is nauseating. "Dimpy wasn't grateful enough so her MIL slapping her is a-okay." "There is no fault in Vanraj, the baby-trapping adulterer, domestic  abuser because his victim called Anuj "Mr." because who doesn't call their friend's fiance-cum-ex with special pet names." "She isn't draWing BoUNdAries wiTh heR bOss's brothER. SHe iZ rEZpoNsiBle for AnY hYpOtHeticAl HArrAsmEnT" Bruh, maybe she likes Deepu's company/attention/friendship. As if taking a lift from a boss in the dead of the night in a strange country allows them to creep on a subordinate.  Anuj is not her HR that she'd need to justify her conflict of interest with him. Anuj or Vanraj have no moral or social grounds to question her. Bhai tumhari mangetar ke maa-baap ka dehant ho gaya, tum uss par dhyaan do na.

And the onus of appropriate workplace conduct is anyhow on the superior. If a subordinate is being inappropriate, they need to report the subordinate to HR instead of creeping up on them. Say, Upma even asks Yashdeep to not spend time with her, a) what is stopping him from retaliating and kicking her out of a job and risking her immigration status (even if we forget the fact that Anupamaa might be completely okay with his friendship) b) Her being okay with his behaviour now doesn't give him a right to harrass her later c) Anuj ka kya lena dena? 

She is a blue-collar migrant in a small diner in a foreign land, and people here really think that it is a two-way street with the boss/boss' family lol.

Workplace harassment laws are designed the way they are because consent is fraught when the other person holds the power to render you homeless and insuranceless lol. U.S has even stricter laws about this where "consented" workplace relationship between boss-employee is still open to a sexual harassment lawsuit precisely because a boss always has power not only over an employee's job security but also access to healthcare and immigration status.

This show is not and never was about Anooj's pheelz but whatever.

I think you misunderstood the poster, they were talking about office relationships in general and not from Anupama's point of view. They were actually countering the point saying it's not inappropriate for employees and boss to have a relationship it's consensual. They were just using multiple examples of what could happen. The intention was to start a discussion around possible scenarios and not to blame Anupama. 

BTW your signature is very interesting, what is the context and what is the interpretation? 

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

Where do you see Anupamaa falsely accusing anyone let alone a man who signs her paycheck? Any time anyone bring any form of sexual harrassment, someone has to bring up fALsE ACcUSAtioNs as if the first reaction to anyone speaking of surviving through sexual violence the logical reaction should be "were they asking for it?" and thEY mUst BE lYing."

Again, this is classic. I started with saying It works both ways. I also said there are women suppressed due to fear. I also spoke of thorough and impartial investigation.

Convenient for you to ignore that isn't it?

So, while there have been real life instances of BOTH happening, we Cannot paint them with a single brush or a single colour.

False accusations are also real. It definitely is Not as rampant as the horrific crime itself but there are many instances of people's life being ruined thanks to false accusations.

Again, when and where did ALL this happen in the show?

The utter victim-blaming attitudes on this forun about literally everything is nauseating. "Dimpy wasn't grateful enough so her MIL slapping her is a-okay."

"There is no fault in Vanraj, the baby-trapping adulterer, domestic  abuser because his victim called Anuj "Mr." because who doesn't call their friend's fiance-cum-ex with special pet names."

"She isn't draWing BoUNdAries wiTh heR bOss's brothER. SHe iZ rEZpoNsiBle for AnY hYpOtHeticAl HArrAsmEnT"

You keep saying that by drawing parallels with two SEPARATE instances and out of context.

In fact, the cherry picking is really astonishing. These actions of the leads have been called out in multiple threads. The forum is open, so are the threads and can be accessed if so desired. Else we can exchange thread links 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Bruh, maybe she likes Deepu's company/attention/friendship. As if taking a lift from a boss in the dead of the night in a strange country allows them to creep on a subordinate.

Anuj is not her HR that she'd need to justify her conflict of interest with him. Anuj or Vanraj have no moral or social grounds to question her. Bhai tumhari mangetar ke maa-baap ka dehant ho gaya, tum uss par dhyaan do na.

Again, very convenintly, you chose to skip parts where it has been mentioned that she is NOT answerable to Vanraj, Anuj or Paritosh.

That said, if Anuj leading Shruti is incorrect, then Anupama leading Yashdeep (even after knowing it) is incorrect too.

And the onus of appropriate workplace conduct is anyhow on the superior.

The onus of appropriate conduct lies with EVERY EMPLOYEE. With the advent of social media, the power dynamics is volatile and the responsibility of conduct lies with every individual.

The benefit of doubt is given to the sub-ordinate for obvious reasons and rightly so.

In such cases, men are naturally disadvantaged and hence when we talk of gender equality at workplace, there is a natural resistance and dare I say, fear by companies towards employment of women.

If a subordinate is being inappropriate, they need to report the subordinate to HR instead of creeping up on them. Say, Upma even asks Yashdeep to not spend time with her, a) what is stopping him from retaliating and kicking her out of a job and risking her immigration status (even if we forget the fact that Anupamaa might be completely okay with his friendship) b) Her being okay with his behaviour now doesn't give him a right to harrass her later c) Anuj ka kya lena dena? 

Again, in the context of Anupama, ALL of these are hypothetical scenarios.

But at any point, should she feel threatened or uncomfortable, she should:

1. She should file a complaint with the local police, notify the Embassy to seek protection (considering he is shown as being an ex-serviceman, i doubt the makers would stoop so low).

2. Move out of Dhillon's to a facility like a rented place, hostel (if she desires to keep out Paritosh out of the matter).

Fair?

She is a blue-collar migrant in a small diner in a foreign land, and people here really think that it is a two-way street with the boss/boss' family lol.

I did not understand this.

Workplace harassment laws are designed the way they are because consent is fraught when the other person holds the power to render you homeless and insuranceless lol. U.S has even stricter laws about this where "consented" workplace relationship between boss-employee is still open to a sexual harassment lawsuit precisely because a boss always has power not only over an employee's job security but also access to healthcare and immigration status.

This show is not and never was about Anooj's pheelz but whatever.

Where did Anuj's pleas come here, but, Anyway.

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Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

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Why were false accusations brought up when a) that is separate issue and b) bosses, especially owners like Yashpal/Yashdeep with less than 50 employees have absolutely unchecked power and internal investigation is a moot point

You do know filing a case and going through the US legal system as an immigranr requires immense money that she doesn't have. And no court of law in the U.S at least would ever ask her why she chose to live at her employers' place while incapacitated instead of sleeping at her workplace  This is assuming she has any issues with Yashdeep's behaviour. She might not or she might actively want Yashdeep's companionship and this entire discourse is based on "Anuj can see it but she pretends to not see it." Anuj is a non-factor in how she should police her behaviour around people. 

Whatever her lapse in professionalism, no one and especially not her boss has a free pass to harrass her.  She is not responsible for how her superiors behave and no court of law will take that stance. U.S has extremely strict laws regarding this lol. And the fact that people expect a blue-collar immigrant to go risk her job, take up a legal expenditure, risk her healthcare access, her immigration status rather than hold the boss responsible for his behaviour to prove some satitva status to her engaged ex is ridiculous lol.

Show me you know nothing about power dynamics without showing me you know nothing about power dynamics.