Is Ranveer appropriating queer culture? - Page 13

The ones indulging in personal attacks, demanding citations, then rejecting even those, or posting lame GIFs are ones throwing a hissy fit.

Not me.

It does not matter if someone disagrees with me or not.

Amused you made up a stat yourself saying '99% disagree' with me.

Yeah right.

I missed that Malhari post. So sorry for not responding earlier.

I am no one to speak about those women. But if someone else feels they appropriated someone else's culture or identity or aesthetic then I would reckon they probably have a point and want to discuss and read their POV why they think so and why they felt it was appropriation or wrong or problematic in any way. I would not rush to dismiss them at once or accuse them of making mountain of molehill or non issue or call them haters or other names.

Just as I sort of understand if some community hates their symbols used by others for fashion or fun. Even if I disagree with them. But I can try to see where they come from.

I hope I have made myself clear.

BTW, Ranveer dressing a certain way and doing certain antics is way more common than a bunch of women dancing to Malhari. He has not done it once. His choices, colours, accessories etc have a certain pattern to them which has been very consistent from past decade or so. Comparing an isolated case of women dancing to Malhari to sustained antics of RS is a tad misplaced.

I want to know how many women danced to songs of men, did scenes trying to wear men's innerwear or wore certain colours or clothes etc.

Keep repeating those lines gurl and keep acting like you do not know which posts I responded to.

And keep pretending as if you do not understand what I wrote or what sources I posted or pretend as if I never posted sources at all.

The style of responses and use of words and GIFs says it all.

I am not going to waste any single second on your this type of posts quoting me and pretending as if you do not even know what I replied to.

Imagine asking for something yourself and then pretending you do not know what line or post I replied to! LMAO! I did not expect atleast you of all members of this forum to behave like this.

But to each their own. Everyone has their moods, phases and pet peeves or probably irked by other posts in some other thread at some point so projecting baggage and irritation of another thread in this one (like some other respondents here).

Dostana and Bol Bachchan or those Kantaben jokes in KHNH only caricatured sexual minorities.

Did nothing positive for them.

Abhishek is a flop for a reason.

Originally posted by: atominis

Dostana and Bol Bachchan or those Kantaben jokes in KHNH only caricatured sexual minorities.

But if the actors in questions had reservations about performing that content I guarantee the groups and activists would've had issues with that as well

Originally posted by: atominis

I did not write essays on Korea at all.

I just shared some links of what I read and saw of them.

I do not follow CC. So sorry for missing your post.

Sure you can write about India. Who stopped you?

I just disagreed with your line accusing me of hating India just because I criticised remakes, plagiarism in content here and male actors paying attention to looks and fitness only in last 3 decades but ignoring it earlier.

You can write what you want. But accusing someone of India hate is just off the mark when that person is Indian herself.

Hope that answers your question.

I didn't like how you called me Psudo Nationalist or something thinking I'm Indian and when I told you I'm not Indian you laughed it off by saying I'm King or something. Didn't like that.

But okay now peace out from this side.

Now that I read the thread, I would agree that the discussion didn't really find 'takers'...

We can only assume what motivations Ranveer has...I don't think he was outspoken about any interest into the queer community.

I think that those who think of him as someone who cultivates flamboyance in acting and real life behaviour have a valid point. SRK is known for his charme, Ranveer for his flamboyance.... it's part of their image, imo.

Nevertheless it could very well be that he has a fanbase among the queer community. And why not. They are humans and react to something or somebody that attracts them. SRK, too, has queer fans, I'm sure. But his LUX ads weren't a statement about queerness, neither are Ranveers Tiffany ads a statement in that direction - in my feeling.

As I hadn't watched Karan's movie yet, I avoid to discuss it although I can't avoid to come across some remarks in various threads.

I silently bet that he would include scenes alluding to gay behaviour and obviously, he did (reading some comments). When I saw Minion's post (p.7) quoting Supari's "Alpha male" and the pic of Elsa in Frozen, it gave me a biiiig grin as I associated Karan with 'being frozen' and probably having (falsly) wanted to portray Ranveer as an Alpha male. (Well, one day I'll see for myself 😉).

Atominis said:

I have seen campaigns like Yes we Exist India, almost relentless in their calling out BW and Indian pop culture, celebs etc. They opposed Sushmita Sen placing trans character in her next project.

I responded:

It would be better if you link or cite sources when you make statements.

There is a lot more nuance. Not all queer folks agree on the issues. A cis woman like Sushmita Sen would obviously never be transwoman. But we have no way of knowing of how Ranveer perceives his own sexuality or masculinity.

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After reflecting and rereading this post, I realized that I did not give a lot of clarity. I can see now how Atominis felt I was asking for citations for the Sushmita Sen comments.

I was trying to focus on the larger topic of this thread: is Ranveer Singh appropriating queer culture? I was trying to explain that it would have been better if the larger topic had been better, starting with citations that drove the discussion.

But where I posted this in my thread probably didn't reflect that best, and I apologize for the confusion. I muddied the waters and then got upset about it.

Whole post here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/163748640

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That being said.

INCIDENT 1

I first said this:

"Can you please quote me and try to address specific points? Without proper context, I am very lost on what is being addressed and discussed, and don't think I can engage in proper dialogue."

I thought it was a very respectful and polite request.

Whole post here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/163748331

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INCIDENT 2

Then Atomonis paraphrased me in a post:

Like your first line where you said 'I do not know what you think queer culture is'.

To which I responded:

'This is verbatim what I said.

"I am genuinely curious to understand what you believe queer culture to be and how Ranveer appropriates it. None of the examples you have stated seem cultural appropriation to me."

I genuinely do not have clarity on your stance. My response following this sentence is broad because I don't have clarity. That is why I will reiterate - quote, don't paraphrase. Provide context, not vagueness. '

Once again, I kindly requested that you quote me so I have better context and understanding.

I always try to quote people because I don't think it is right to paraphrase others in debates like this. If I am paraphrasing, I do try to paraphrase. I also sometimes break down an argument into points or address specifics of what people are saying. Because context really matters to me. It's not perfect. Sometimes I do fvck up like the example above. I was genuinely having a hard time following the specifics of what Atominis was trying to say and was sincerely attempting to request that I be addressed in a manner that works for me to engage in meaningful discussion. If Atominis had denied and explained that it doesn't work for her I would have tried to meet me in the middle.

Whole post here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/163748529

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I BROKE 3

Originally posted by: atominis

Stop acting like only you know it all and others are idiots talking without any evidence or making own stories. The patronising tone in most of your posts is nauseating. You could do better with toning down that 'know it all' attitude dripping in most of your posts and style of writing.

Complete version of above post: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/163748706

My twice nice requests were unheeded and this is what was said to me. And I lost it.

Originally posted by: atominis

Keep repeating those lines gurl and keep acting like you do not know which posts I responded to.

And keep pretending as if you do not understand what I wrote or what sources I posted or pretend as if I never posted sources at all.

The style of responses and use of words and GIFs says it all.

I am not going to waste any single second on your this type of posts quoting me and pretending as if you do not even know what I replied to.

Imagine asking for something yourself and then pretending you do not know what line or post I replied to! LMAO! I did not expect atleast you of all members of this forum to behave like this.

But to each their own. Everyone has their moods, phases and pet peeves or probably irked by other posts in some other thread at some point so projecting baggage and irritation of another thread in this one (like some other respondents here).

In most circumstances, I would have also apologized for losing it. It is not constructive to get snarky. But mind you, even when I did get snarky, I never got personal - I focused on the argument but not the person.

I would be more than happy to apologize for my missteps to someone genuine in wanting to engage. But with multiple posts like this that attack the person, not the argument, I am convinced that Atomonis is a bad-faith actor and not deserving of any of our apologies.

Originally posted by: mz.gigglez

Just obnoxious dressing sense esp in RRKPK.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Q for those who saw RARKPK?

WTF is Ranveer's persona in the movie? One forum member calls him an alpha. Another forum member says he appropriates queer culture.

These two directly conflict with each other. Which is it?