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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

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At least they got the order right.

Ya. I think many idiots were expecting Hiroshima and Nagasaki devastation shown on IMAX. That's twisted.

I surprisingly learned about Oppenheimer during my MBA. We went through Howard Gardner's "Leading Minds" in our leadership class and Oppenheimer is one of the leaders mentioned there. Very unusual and fascinating as a leader.

I'd say even knowledge of it is sufficient. Just learn some history.

Gojira/Godzilla and the entire Kaiju genre are a metaphor for nuclear warheads. But most people lack the awareness of why and how the genre emerged.


You have so much of insight into everything. I enjoy reading your posts. I was once obsessed with WW2, holocaust, nuclear bombings. It was during my 1st year of medicine. At that time only I read that book Hiroshima. What happened to Japan was sad, but then I dug more and Japan's atrocities were inhumane and the effects were immeasurable .

Anyways, that time I read a book American Prometheus -the Triumph and tragedy of Robert Oppenheimer. That book gave me a great insight into Oppenheimer's mind

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Posted: 2 years ago
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I see people bemoaning about Nolan not touching upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Oppenheimer, but not every issue of surrounding the atomic bomb needs to be discussed in a mainstream movie. The movie was biographical and attempted to study Oppenheimer - his motives, guilt, and his inner monologue. There is a vast body of works from Japanese directors that particularly studies the disastrous effects of the droppings. It's a movie, not a documentary. If every detail were to be part of any movie that attempts to focus it's plot on one subject, then really the art of filmmaking will be lost. We'll just be listing out facts over here. The aim is for it to be a reflective and introspective experience.

Knowing about the droppings and it's history would help understand the gravity of it but I don't think the movie did any disservice by not including those details. There's a scene where the leaders say let's not have Tokyo be a target because one of them honeymooned there. That itself shows the callous attitude of the whole operation. If we are gunning for HS and NS, then it's imperative to include Shinkolobwe too. The allies and the US particularly made killed millions in Congo so they could extract uranium for the manhattan project. They destabilised democratically elected leaders and installed dictatorship in order to control the Congolese and the mine. Congo has never recovered from the decades of civil wars and political unrest instituted by the US which continued well into the cold war. The worst part is they kept it all hush hush so that the Soviets don't get their hands on the uranium. If we are talking of war crimes, there's never been a greater evil than US in the modern history of mankind. They are at par with Britain when it comes to destabilising governments and countries of their resources.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: Alpenliebe


You have so much of insight into everything. I enjoy reading your posts. I was once obsessed with WW2, holocaust, nuclear bombings. It was during my 1st year of medicine. At that time only I read that book Hiroshima. What happened to Japan was sad, but then I dug more and Japan's atrocities were inhumane and the effects were immeasurable .

Anyways, that time I read a book American Prometheus -the Triumph and tragedy of Robert Oppenheimer. That book gave me a great insight into Oppenheimer's mind

Likewise to so many people in this thread adding some deeper discussions to IF. 😊

Wow, how did you find time for history in med school? 😲

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: ohophelia

Knowing about the droppings and it's history would help understand the gravity of it but I don't think the movie did any disservice by not including those details. There's a scene where the leaders say let's not have Tokyo be a target because one of them honeymooned there. That itself shows the callous attitude of the whole operation. If we are gunning for HS and NS, then it's imperative to include Shinkolobwe too. The allies and the US particularly made killed millions in Congo so they could extract uranium for the manhattan project. They destabilised democratically elected leaders and installed dictatorship in order to control the Congolese and the mine. Congo has never recovered from the decades of civil wars and political unrest instituted by the US which continued well into the cold war. The worst part is they kept it all hush hush so that the Soviets don't get their hands on the uranium. If we are talking of war crimes, there's never been a greater evil than US in the modern history of mankind. They are at par with Britain when it comes to destabilising governments and countries of their resources.

Thanks. I learned something today about Uranium mining in the Congo. I always assumed it was the Belgians to blame for Congo. But today I learned more.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Did you watch the Alain Renais movie? or read Marguerite Duras' script-novel?

Initially, Renais wanted to make a movie about the bombing...

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Posted: 2 years ago
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It's not about the bombing, the movie...it's about how much scientist thinking can be pushed into a destructive direction because of emotions and the wish to thwart evil... and it is a movie about the fact that something beneficial to mankind and nature is also devastating to mankind and nature...and it is always, always about making a choice.

The snake in paradise will never die...or will it?

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Posted: 2 years ago
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History is written by the victors. We have mostly been taught to think American actions were unequivocally justified. But there has been a lot of information that has come out since that questions that narrative.


Firstly, America and its allies were blockading Japan's oil supplies in the Dutch East Indies which is why they attacked Pearl Harbour. It wasn't an unprovoked attack. Secondly, Truman's own chief of staff and 7 out of 8, 5 star Army and Navy officers agreed with the assessment that it wasn't the nuclear bomb but the Soviets joining the fight that pushed the surrender of the Japanese. Truman's chief of staff, Admiral Leahy also wrote this in his memoirs.


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-05/hiroshima-anniversary-japan-atomic-bombs


However, saying that, I don't think there was an option for America to not at least attempt to develop the technology given the risk of the Nazi's gaining it first. For that alone I think we can appreciate Oppenheimer's work.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Hiroshima, Nagasaki destruction happened under a democrat president, that's why it gets a pass


Jon Stewart one day off handedly called Pres Truman a war criminal for dropping the bomb, the next day he apologized and took it back

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Likewise to so many people in this thread adding some deeper discussions to IF. 😊

Wow, how did you find time for history in med school? 😲


Never into medicines. My mom is a doctor. She one kind of pushed me 😂. Found it boring in 1st year. There was a Japanese student in my class whose family was directly affected. He was from Nagasaki. We discussed a lot and that probably triggered something in me. Then only I started reading deeply about war history.

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