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Originally posted by: Mrieshka

Hahaha. Ye dil Maange more( I hope you understand hindi) . I will wait for the day when Arnav will destroy La and show her on her face where she stands in life.

Until that day , meri Aatma bhatakti rahegi😳🥰.

Ok — sleep time. Have early start tomorrow am at work abd here I am involve in discussion of a story🤣

Yes, I do understand Hindi :) Yes, waiting for that day with bated breath. Arpitaaaaaaaaaaa, I hope you are hearing our cries!

I agree that here he is angry but still somehow he always seems more angry with Ma than la.

And I have also read each chapter and line in much details.

I have tried to stay unbiased to both characters and given a lot of slack to Arnav.

I clarified “ my expectations “ and which may be different from yours— right.
Lets just agree to disagree and respect each other’s opinion as mine is not going to change and I don’t expect you to change either.😀😀

Swati, just going to address one issue out of your comment because I really need to get to bed now, but since you are having trouble with accepting that Arnav was violated at a rave just because he chose to stay back at a rave, I would request you to please focus your thoughts on Khushi meeting Shyam. She couldn't handle him touching her arms without consent. She also went to meet Shyam on her own volition, "CHOSE" to go meet him. Had Shyam raped her or done anything untoward, to her, does that mean it was her fault because she chose to go meet Shyam *despite* knowing what he was capable of in the past?? Despite feeling uncomfortable after meeting him again during the first meet?

Isn't going and meeting a degenerate like Shyam despite knowing who he used to be or who he was, analogous to getting drunk at a rave? Isn't this irresponsible? Getting into a car with Shyam knowing that she was going to be driven through a possibly remote village?

When people are dealing with huge issues in their lives, they DO NOT think straight! This does not make them bad, immoral, stupid, or characterless. It is just a bad decision, period.

And none of this, not the setting, not the decision made before hand, justifies non-consensual acts. NO MEANS NO in *any* setting. Just because it cannot be proved legally, does not mean it is not right.

Since you have quoted movies before, I would urge you to watch this excellent thriller called Game Over. In this movie, Taapsee Pannu deals with the trauma of blaming herself after being violated at a New Year Party. Another excellent movie to watch is Pink!

Originally posted by: coderlady

11A

It was heartbreaking to see how she kept reaching out to him and he kept distancing himself, pushing her away, and saying away from their room. He made her feel like an unloved, unwanted person. The relationship was on the rocks for more than an year. The cracks kept getting deeper and deeper.

He knew he was not doing right by her and that is what was suffocating him so much. His defense mechanism was kicking in and emotional distancing was the only way he could deal.

What he failed to realize was that Khushi was unhappy more due to his treatment of her than the want of a child.

To his credit, he did intend to talk to her, but Lavanya derailed it all.

In any case he was already late, he had discussed divorce with his friends before talking to Khushi. She should have been the first one to know.

Arnav has weird mental psychology. She stopped talking about kids with his, tried to be normal then too he was unhappy. This is like I want to bake the cake and eat it too situation.

Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

yeah I had the similar argument :)

He did try for Khushi’s sake once right. He couldn’t. He called himself names of all kinds when he saw Khushi with leher again and asked himself what kind of a person keeps the person he loves away from such happiness? He was crying in the car that he tried to fight his demons for her sake but failed. This is a deep issue. I understand when he says he doesn’t want a responsibility. That’s all he has done since college. Nearly gave up every desire he had had for himself. Good engineering college, mba postponed because of marriage, gave up on mba altogether because job and savings were more important. These issues could be psychological. During Payal’s delivery, he needed Khushi to tell him that he can be useful with just his presence. He didn’t need to work. It’s emphasised every time that scene is written.

What we see as Khushi’s weakness is just her being very attuned to Arnav. Arnav never said it explicitly but She is probably the only figure in his life who ever told him that his presence was enough. He didn’t need to do something to get her love. This is exactly what she told Arnav the first time she confessed her love. He thought he was doing the bare minimum and Khushi was just in awe of his thoughtfulness. She convinced him that whatever and whoever he was, he was enough for her.

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I also want to join in on the Khushi and her absolute devotion discussions that you guys just had. I am glad we all agree on one thing. Khushi says so in the last present chapter as well. She wished she was more of her own person. I hope she goes on that journey.

But I don’t think her love and devotion to Arnav is baseless. She is the one who thought Arnav had laid the world at her feet. She is the one who says except for one thing, Arnav had never said no to her. That he had taken care of her every step of the way. These are Khushi’s exact words.

So maybe she doesn’t ask for anything because she never needed to. Arnav was the one who anticipated her needs initially too. He was struggling day and night and still made time for her. The first news of promotion was given to her and especially the way he cared for her in the hospital. He shows his vulnerability. He was the first one to say ‘I don’t know what I would have done if you hadn’t come back to me’

In my mind, the relationship was not as imbalanced as everyone is making it out to be. Everyone’s calling him a decision maker but exactly what decisions has he taken? Buying a home? He took Khushi there. They were going to visit with the realtor anyway. Divorce? He assumed things but he never made the decision without talking to her. He never had the papers ready. Financially, he trusted Khushi immediately after marriage.

So please do help me understand where does this notion comes from that he was the driver of everything in the relationship. Yes he is more assertive than Khushi, but I never could read an instance where he was controlling IMO.

I think we are still carrying his persona we made up in our minds prior to whole Lavanya chapter was revealed. That he fell out of love and decided everything. Clearly not the truth and not what happened.

All I got from 2005-06 chapter is that Arnav was the giving one. Do this for family, that for Khushi. And Khushi saw it all. She thinks it to herself several times. How strong must he be to keep on going like this. Probably she wants to be the one who is taking care of him while he takes care of everything but himself. Look how he reacted to la and Manali taking him for a ride. Too tired to fight back.

And Khushi does have her wifey moments and Arnav does entertain them. She gets angry at him for putting his health at risk and he listens immediately. When she went on to sit in his lap in Lucknow chapter, Arnav’s first reaction was to close his laptop and snuggle with his wife. Later also that night, she is tricky enough to not let him work even though she smiles to herself when Arnav was trying to use his charm.

I think they had a fantastic relationship up until this baby thing came along. Arnav pulled back and things got bad. Lavanya episode a cherry on top.

But probably I am the only one who thinks that their relationship was not half as bad or imbalanced as everyone is making it out to be. They had issues, but they only surfaced during these last one and a half year.

Thank you darling!!!
I was about to post the same words!!! You saved me typing all of that😃

To me they were a happy couple till this baby issue came. Their one big issue though is internalise all the pain and try to be like how the other wants them to be… that’s where their relationship got into turmoil at the first conflict of interest!!!

They both handled it poorly. People are saying khushi should pack her bags and leave. She can ,but to me it will be like staying with him until he could give it’s now he needs her more. Their struggles for money and her adjusting accordingly was not a big challenge . She came from humble patriarchal background, for her Arnav giving her so much space and rein on finances was big. He never agonising her for whatever she wanted to do was enough for her but him being supportive was what made her love him so much.

This is the first they are thrown a curveball and I’m yet to see khushi’s strength as a woman as a wife!! Yes she is hurt , Arnav shut her up , she did the same the moment she heard about divorce from third party. They both are similar. Someone needs to butt them on head.

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Again, half of it is not what has happened or been mentioned anywhere in the chapter. I do think you are messing up the order of how things have gone down.

Arnav at the rave

Your whole argument is resting on the fact that he knew what goes on there and still drank. You did not respond to my counter argument. I don’t care if he was at the sixth drink or the eight drink. When he got up to leave, HE WAS IN HIS SENSES. he even says that to Akash ‘that Lavanya was drunk last time he spoke to her coherently’

How is that reckless behaviour? At best it is irresponsible and even then he is leaving at a REASONABLE hour ,IN HIS FULL SENSES.

And yes, he holds NO RESPONSIBILITY if someone like Lavanya then spikes his drink. What if it was a normal party and not a rave? Where Arnav went on a business trip and not to have a few drinks? Would Lavanya then need a reason to spike his drink? Will he then be less of a criminal here in your eyes in a scenario where he is clearly the victim?

By that logic, a young rich guy should never be at any party because to spike a drink it doesn’t have to be a rave. You point makes it feel like just because he chose to stay back at a rave (for a few moments, until he was sober), then it changes everything. It doesn’t. He has been violated. Period.

It is beyond CHEATING, it's crime. The woman he had ONS dares to come and visit him in his house and he doesn't care to inform his wife. Is he special that he meets the other woman whom he impregnated by adultery and he goes meet her without getting his wife into confidence no matter how many times and his wife has no clue, you think its ethical, moral? Amazing... He had to inform or it's cheating in day light, there is no argument about it, even in legal terms this is clear cut cheating, no excuses what La, Ma told him. He had a choice to take Aman with him but he chose to go alone, again stupid, reckless behavior putting his own reputation at stake.

Meeting Lavanya without Aman-

again, it clearly mentions in the chapter that he was shocked to see Manali there. He had kept Lavanya’s name even from his lawyers. Thinking it could be a false alarm. Hoping that it was a false alarm. He specifically thinks and gets angry about it. That he didn’t even involve Aman, a guy he would trust with his life while Lavanya chose to involve her manager who is famous for her litigious ways by the way. Because Lavanya was a public figure, a woman who would face horrible slander. That’s just him being a decent human.

Talking to Lavanya and offering support

No I am not kidding you. And it’s not cheating. By any moral, eithical or legal standard.

And no, it’s not as simple as stating the woman he had an ONS with had the nerve to enter his house.

That woman was there to tell him she was pregnant with his child. What should he have done in the case? Be a pathetic human and tell her to go away?

He had already decided to tell Khushi once the parents are onboard. Why would he then randomly tell her about this thing. He was going to confess it all anyway right? In front of his whole family? He chose to live with the guilt when at a time all he wanted was to tell her immediately and ‘break Khushi’s heart so he could breath’. He didn’t do that.

Meeting Lavanya once or twice because he thought he had RUINED HER LIFE. he blames himself for it. And when Lavanya texts or calls him, he puts her back in her place. Every time. To the extent of disconnecting the call altogether. And all this while he doesn’t think this action of his is innocent. He is still guilty. But no. He is not cheating on Khushi. That is a very big statement to make.

And that behaviour may be of somebody who is trying to own up to a colossal mistake. Rather than shameful, immoral or characterless.

And by the way, he did not put his reputation at risk. He did think that meeting her at SAKEE was safer because it can be passed off as a work meeting. He was vigil at near the doctors clinic too. So there’s no reason he would not have been cautious the next couple of times he saw her.

Ha ha, he was dumb enough to get into this situation in the first place and waited for Aman to do the investigation. His first reaction would have been to investigate on Lavanya when she claimed pregnancy irrespective of work relationship with La. He clearly acknowledged La was NOT a friend, so she cannot be trusted is a given. He was vigilant enough to guard his wealth for Khushi then what stopped him from investigating on La, he was clearly not thinking straight.

Why on earth would he ever investigate la? We as a reader know what went down. In his head, he had a drunken ONS. he wasn’t waiting for Aman to do an investigation. He wasn’t waiting for ANY investigation because he didn’t think life was a Hindi serial and someone is out to trap him. What exactly will he investigate?

And he did do what was the most sane choice at the moment demanded. He asked Lavanya if she was willing for a dna test. As soon as possible. And despite Lavanya being confident AF, he never said he won’t need the test.

Discussion with Akash and legal repercussions

Discussion with Akash happened on 18th December. One day ago, he had admitted to himself that he does not trust the guy Aman has confiscated. The leak he is talking about is photograph leak which could still be a possibility.

And he confessed to his lawyer too. He was keeping a constant check on that guy. Why would he assume this random photographer will have access to Khushi? Especially when his divorce was already being sorted without dragging in Lavanya mess.

The guy confessed to try and make a quick buck off him? Why would he randomly assume more malice and just imagine he will send the photos to khushi? When money is the more obvious and acceptable answer. We as a reader know what went down. Why are you assuming him to have the same insights?

Yes, Khushi saved herself, she had rejected Shyam a night before Arnav landed in her native. Had he made Payal call Khushi, he would have realized it.

Yeah? And what was Khushi planning to do about Panchayat? Which by the way was saved because Arnav was quick on his feet.

He was utterly selfish to let go of La and Ma when he found out she was not pregnant and he was able to take care of pics, his reputation was saved and no baby insight as he wanted.

Had he taken action in Jan against La and Ma and destroyed both of them, the divorce news would have never leaked and Khushi & family wouldn't have suffered.

Again, are you kidding me now? This entire logic is based on him seeing future which you and I as a reader know!

He let go of la and ma because according to him, he was the sole target and not Khushi. A wife he was already divorcing. There is no NEED to target her until Manali came over and showed her hand.

And did he not warn Khushi? About going to Uma Nagar? Asking if she will be able to live there? Doesn’t Khushi know what kind of place that was. She admitted ARNAV WAS RIGHT. She miscalculated in moving there. She admitted to that TOO.

He still handled the situation. The reporters never reached her. The local editors were taken care of.

That’s just some very random logic to say he should have punished Lavanya and Manali in January so that Khushi’s life won’t suffer in march. He was letting them when he thought only he was the target because we have had a literal scene where he is not willing to let go if you bring Khushi in between. He is a powerful man and he can get away with a lot. Even then he told Manali that character assassination was something that he will stoop to as a last resort.

I don’t know why him being a decent human being is so vile in your dictionary but half of your rage is incorrectly directed. Yes he had made mistakes. A lot of them. But none of it, not a single one of the, are driven by adjectives that you used to describe here. Narcissistic, control freak who did not care about Khushi and her family’s reputation is nowhere close to what this FF has portrayed.

Originally posted by You-Know-Who

Swati, just going to address one issue out of your comment because I really need to get to bed now, but since you are having trouble with accepting that Arnav was violated at a rave just because he chose to stay back at a rave, I would request you to please focus your thoughts on Khushi meeting Shyam. She couldn't handle him touching his arms without consent. She also went to meet Shyam on her own volition, "CHOSE" to go meet him. Had Shyam raped her or done anything untoward, to her, does that mean it was her fault because she chose to go meet Shyam *despite* knowing what he was capable of in the past?? Despite feeling uncomfortable after meeting him again during the first meet?

Please re-read my comments and do NOT compare normal world scenarios or even parties with RAVE world. Those two are completely different things. Rave parties are meant to break free, NOT follow regular rules and laws and do whatever you want. Read it's background over the internet. These parties are purely meant for drinks, music, dance, drugs and s*x - group or with anyone and everyone. RAVE parties have their own funda which are completely illegal in normal world, be it girl or a guy.

It is 100% Khushi's mistake to meet Shyam even the first time after the trauma she went through 10 years ago but she met him with family first time and was supposed to meet with his daughter when second time.

But meeting someone in normal world versus staying in RAVE party drinking are two different things. I never said what happened to Arnav is good, never but he knew what to expect in such parties and still stayed back was one of the biggest mistake. In fact I have said Arnav was guaranteed violated in my previous notes itself but how does it matter? He walked into trap and made bad decisions and was left with no choice but accept it is all I am saying. How does it help what he or others think, does he have any proofs to prove his innocence? Did he do blood test to find drugs or quantity of alcohol in his body?

So people like you who like Arnav will say he is not wrong and La took advantage, people who are on La's side will say they both were drunk, so what if she started first and he also involved and enjoyed. Rest world or law would say they both were under the influence, no one is hurt to declare anything by force and hence it consensual, It's as simple as that. Whether we like it or not..

And I clearly said Arnav paid bigger price for the mistake and he deserved, maybe not but awareness, being vigilant and the place are important aspect and he missed that. He is still lucky La is not pregnant and he managed to avoid pics leak in media keeping his reputation intact. Khushi was no where involved, she isn't even aware till date what exactly happened but just being his wife, she and her family are hurt the most. No one be it a man or a woman deserves to be forced ever... My conscious is very clear...

Isn't going and meeting a degenerate like Shyam despite knowing who he used to be or who he was, analogous to getting drunk at a rave? Isn't this irresponsible? Getting into a car with Shyam knowing that she was going to be driven through a possibly remote village?

Shyam I have never commented for a reason, Khushi meeting him or talking was complete mistake in my eyes. His daughter was with them and he would never do anything wrong to jeopardize his chance to marry her. It was exactly opposite, he tried to be on his best behavior though it was hard for him.

When people are dealing with huge issues in their lives, they DO NOT think straight! This does not make them bad, immoral, stupid, or characterless. It is just a bad decision, period.

Not really, this guy was still trying to be righteous for Lavanya knowing she is pregnant. Then why can't he be righteous to his wife and tell her the truth and not go behind her back or ill-treat her. Oh let me add, that makes him coward too then. ONS was guaranteed accident, meeting the woman who he got pregnant while keeping his wife in dark is guaranteed characterless and immoral. Was he not thinking straight, who are you kidding. This guys was talking to lawyers, safeguarding his wealth, discussed with Akash logically, only conveniently chose to inform his wife last... oh sorry, he didn't inform her, she found out and confronted after 3 months... He was planning to push it under the rug and never tell her... no acknowledgement, forget the apology.. So much for being righteous.

And none of this, not the setting, not the decision made before hand, justifies non-consensual acts. NO MEANS NO in *any* setting. Just because it cannot be proved legally, does not mean it is not right.

No means no is applicable again in real world, not in such parties. Don't go if one doesn't like the rules there, it's completely illegal but people do it, cheap thrills, break free or whatever.. good people don't go there, it's simple.. Please google how it started in US and it's culture, how police would be there but don't involve etc.

Since you have quoted movies before, I would urge you to watch this excellent thriller called Game Over. In this movie, Taapsee Pannu deals with the trauma of blaming herself after being violated at a New Year Party. Another excellent movie to watch is Pink!

I have watched both.

Damn I got a lot of things to catch on. Just saw things fleetingly.

Chill out guys!! Just a story 😂😂😂

Originally posted by: VeiledWords

Damn I got a lot of things to catch on. Just saw things fleetingly.

Chill out guys!! Just a story 😂😂😂

YOU DON’T GET TO SAY THAT!!!!

😀😀😃😃

Originally posted by: VeiledWords

Damn I got a lot of things to catch on. Just saw things fleetingly.

Chill out guys!! Just a story 😂😂😂

Story aise likho ki char log, char opinions pe lade😆