Katha Ankahee -- #11 daily episode DT - Page 114

Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

But I dont like is the mindset of itv creatives who thinks they can stretch a tv show like a rubber band and keep it running like never ending saga. Only for this reason they keep bringing one afer another illogical tracks, never completely resolve issues between main leads.

And more than above what I seriously hate about itv creatives is that they bring social topics and problems through their FL like dark skinned girl, uneducated girl, abusive marriage, abusive in laws, EMA, forced marriage etc. and give false hope to show something progressive as in how FL fights against society and deliver justice finally. But due to the tendencies of creatives to stretch a tv show, they keep showing the injustice done to FL, her tortures, her pain, her trauma. Viewers keep patience that at the end atleast FL will fight back and punish everyone. But when that "justice" finally come, its too late and too little that it doesn't even have any impact.

Means they spent so much time in showing us abuses that it almost glorifies such behaviour and they dont show FL's fight back, justice, punishment at all or very less is shown that it has no impact at all. Thus itv creatives end up in contributing to social problems not eradicate them. The number one show is a classic example of this. How in the garb of progressive show creatives keeps giving us regular doses of regressiveness.

I have the same thoughts. I feel movies and serial run 5-10 year backward than current timeline.

The reason could be there are not many broad-minded people like us. People living in cities are less compared to people living in small town. Also culture k thekedaar shouts more than modern people. I guess they have to make to suit large audience.

Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

I dont mind second or third chances that much or seperation or leap. If they show everything in finite series then probably all those tracks will not bother that much.

But I dont like is the mindset of itv creatives who thinks they can stretch a tv show like a rubber band and keep it running like never ending saga. Only for this reason they keep bringing one afer another illogical tracks, never completely resolve issues between main leads.

And more than above what I seriously hate about itv creatives is that they bring social topics and problems through their FL like dark skinned girl, uneducated girl, abusive marriage, abusive in laws, EMA, forced marriage etc. and give false hope to show something progressive as in how FL fights against society and deliver justice finally. But due to the tendencies of creatives to stretch a tv show, they keep showing the injustice done to FL, her tortures, her pain, her trauma. Viewers keep patience that at the end atleast FL will fight back and punish everyone. But when that "justice" finally come, its too late and too little that it doesn't even have any impact.

Means they spent so much time in showing us abuses that it almost glorifies such behaviour and they dont show FL's fight back, justice, punishment at all or very less is shown that it has no impact at all. Thus itv creatives end up in contributing to social problems not eradicate them. The number one show is a classic example of this. How in the garb of progressive show creatives keeps giving us regular doses of regressiveness.

I am posting here an old spoof video of tvf. Its was popular video, most of us must have seen it already. I find it so funny that I have seen it many times.😆 But these tvf guys were genius. They got the working, thinking of itv makers so correctly. This is how itv show is made-

https://youtu.be/ewFiQVw-IkY

Thanks for sharing the spoof video! Never saw it before but it's more entertaining and relevant than what we see on ITV, the idiot box, nowadays!🤣

I agree with everything which you have written! These shows contribute to social problems and the lack of morality! I have had these conversations with my online friends before. My conclusion was that most people are unhappy in their lives, and generally lack a willpower to improve their situations. These people mostly make up the TRP audience. They connect to the suffering and participate in perpetuating it. I do not understand how people watch shows like Ghum, the bhagyas etc. What is so entertaining about a man who plays around with the lives of 2 women? Why do women fight for a man who cannot give them the basic right of respect? You and I could list all the things which are wrong but unfortunately, we will not be able to change the mindset of these people who tune in to watch these shows, and give their consent for the regressive content. I cannot explain why my own mother watches ghum! I think that there is something addictive in these shows. People just keep on turning up to watch it. Compare it to a KA,which is modern, has relevant characters but do not give dhoom tana moments. I suppose it will appear dull to the TRP audience. As much as I would like to hold the producers responsible for the content, I feel like the blame lies more with the audience. Compare the TRP of KA with that of Ghum. From a business perspective, even I would sell a Ghum rather than a KA!

Originally posted by: Shalzie

Thanks for sharing the spoof video! Never saw it before but it's more entertaining and relevant than what we see on ITV, the idiot box, nowadays!🤣

I agree with everything which you have written! These shows contribute to social problems and the lack of morality! I have had these conversations with my online friends before. My conclusion was that most people are unhappy in their lives, and generally lack a willpower to improve their situations. These people mostly make up the TRP audience. They connect to the suffering and participate in perpetuating it. I do not understand how people watch shows like Ghum, the bhagyas etc. What is so entertaining about a man who plays around with the lives of 2 women? Why do women fight for a man who cannot give them the basic right of respect? You and I could list all the things which are wrong but unfortunately, we will not be able to change the mindset of these people who tune in to watch these shows, and give their consent for the regressive content. I cannot explain why my own mother watches ghum! I think that there is something addictive in these shows. People just keep on turning up to watch it. Compare it to a KA,which is modern, has relevant characters but do not give dhoom tana moments. I suppose it will appear dull to the TRP audience. As much as I would like to hold the producers responsible for the content, I feel like the blame lies more with the audience. Compare the TRP of KA with that of Ghum. From a business perspective, even I would sell a Ghum rather than a KA!

that is a good serious question but I am not sure if we have the answer. I think the problem lies in having infinte serials.

like bechain mentioned couple of pages back, when we had finite serials, the quality was good. I was not familiar with the serials she mentioned because I only started watching hindi serials during the EK era. however, in tamil, during DD days, we had author written novels translated to serials and so the quality was very high.

however, even now, we do have some good serials now and then. bepannah was high emotional voltage drama but I loved most of it for the actors as well as the writing. it asked the question -- why love isn't enough to sustain a marriage? -- so apt for the modern age and very relevant to think about. so it is not like there weren't good and different serials now and then but they disappear quickly.

when it comes to movies though, I can tell you that I am not generally a fan of independent cinema or award winners. in fact, if I read something is oscar nominated or got awards, I know it will be dreadfullly serious and depressing and slow. so I avoid like the plauge. my personal feel is that commercial cinema like avengers and pacific rim are a masterpiece because it is not easy to create 2+ hours of entertainment. 😂

that said, I don't think commercial cinema means it has to be mindless. within south indian cinema, I like the family movies segment where the stories are clean, sweet, funny and still very different. you get great stories that are out of the box but meant to be watched as a family and are not depressing.

I think good storytelling has a lasting quality. I still enjoy watching movies from the 80s and 90s which were extremely well-written and talk about social themes. no matter how many times you have watched them, they are entertaining.

like you said, there has to be a middle ground -- yes, we want to see new stories but the key is it has to be entertaining. many are watching after a long day and that half hour is a way to unwind.

Originally posted by: Ssp123

Sorry to say but Vian is way more smarter than Katha in terms of handling things (shown several times in the show )

Right now after Katha ki sangati i agree he has turned stupid still the inspiration AKA Katha takes the cake the baker and the bakery

Just bcoz he made an indecent proposal and people do Katha jaap that doesnt mean she is more talented

In terms of work : What is the point of even comparing two people who are not doing the same job

Ehsan and Vian can be compared they both are bosses

Also Katha did not go to swarg/nark to ask Viraj for money 😂

My point is when i write a leave application i have to cite the reason for leave its not my boss's responsibility to ask me

Same goes for Katha the ONS would not have happened had she used her brain (if she actually has i doubt sometimes)

Acc to me Vian was wrong in asking for ONS and testing her but as soon as she accepted it

The actual deed happened due to both of them

And whether that money saved Aarav's life doesn't even matter ,the moment she took that money she lost the right to file a case against him

Yes she can give her statement against him in this case but what about her own terms and conditins

Agree with you on both are responsible .

ONS was definitely with both parties consent . Even the last minute Viaan said she can back out if not comfortable .

ONS is the last thing to resort when she needed money so badly , she could have requested PapaG again and again or spoke again with MamaG .That is what most women do than opting for an ONS . Actually before she entered the room she had a call from MamaG which she didnt pick up . Had she picked the call just to know why she called the entire scenario will be changed .She had called twice i guess . Its a drama and they need story to progress so let it be . But her putting Viaan guilty alone is not acceptable for me at all .Both are equally responsible for it .

And just because Shamitha complained first doesnt mean she has an advantage . Her case was false and that is why she made such drama .

But in reality if a women is harassed it might be difficult to react so fast . It depends on the mental status at that time .Me too cases were about harassment that occured ten years before and so ... So complaining fast or first doesn't make any sense in sexual harassment cases .

Based on how Sony channel started promoting KA with much more zeal & efforts in Feb & how more buzz is getting created by viewers as well, feel KA will be run by Sony atleast upto Jul 2023 that's like 180-200 episodes, unless it majorly loses viewers love.

Since its official adaption of a finite Turkish series, we mostly know basic story layout, major twists & gladly there's no scope to run KA as infinite serial.(at most Sony can bring next season of KA after a time gap)

Originally posted by: ajacob31

What kind of nonsense was Katha saying today? Grabbing attention from the boss for no reason is normal? Smiling to grab attention, trying physical contact by colliding with your boss is ok!! She seems to be the abnormal one here. Is she justifying her over friendly behavior with Ehsan and the close dance she had with him.It looks like Katha is totally biased because of her ONS with Viaan. She forgot that it was with her full consent and not forced or blackmailed. I always felt that Katha wants to play victim, she wants to justify her act by making Vian the culprit. Also the interrogation started with what Ehsan’s statement which looked totally against Viaan. What was the need to bring Viaan’s previous thinking about women into the picture here?

Yes that is wrong but she didnt mention touching. She just justified flirting from far.

It is logical that Katha now see Viaan again in a wrong way like before because he did ask her ONS and now he is accused twice. It is normal to see him in a bad light. Iam surprised to see more people are blaming Katha than Viaan. May be is is bcos though the show is named Katha is is Viaan's POV.

Keeping her agreeing it due to her dire situations, it is WRONG for Bosses to propose ONS for an employee!

Originally posted by: AbhijitAdityan2

Yes that is wrong but she didnt mention touching. She just justified flirting from far.

It is logical that Katha now see Viaan again in a wrong way like before because he did ask her ONS and now he is accused twice. It is normal to see him in a bad light. Iam surprised to see more people are blaming Katha than Viaan. May be is is bcos though the show is named Katha is is Viaan's POV.

Keeping her agreeing it due to her dire situations, it is WRONG for Bosses to propose ONS for an employee!

Its not that Viaan's deeds are being normalised or accepted . Its is absolutely wrong that he proposed ONS . If you check all the DT ( not practical but just saying 😬) or atleast this DT previous few pages u will get to know Viaan was never justified for his actions

For me its unfair that Katha is behaving like Viaan is solely responsible for the ONS .

That is what is said not that Viaan is correct in proposing ONS .

I dont think anyone is whitewashing Vian

It is Viaan money that saved Katha's son's life.- No it was Katha's stupidity that she used this option.

Katha didn't tell the reason for loan so Katha's mistake is bigger than Viaan - No,she is equally wrong or responsible

It is not Boss responsibility to ask for reason but he can ask for ONS. - No he can't ask for ONS but he can only be blamed if the girl is going to say NO ,if she has agreed for it without any blackmail then its just a deal.Like Vian cant ask for his money back similarly Katha cant blame him

When a situation is wrong its not necessary that one side is right and one is wrong ,both can be wrong equally

Like Vian cant be whitewashed similarly Katha cant be glorified in her own words Victim bhi katha,bechari halaat ki maari bhi Katha,strong bhi Katha sorted bhi Katha,talented bhi Katha ... I will just add two things Dumb bhi Katha and hypocrite bhi Katha

Katha can only snap back at people who care for her like Rewa and Falguni behan in initial episodes

And now her bosses baaki people who are actually mean to her she is bhiggi billi shows lot of problem with her mentally

One last thing in the hotel when Vian asked her to leave if uncomfortable and she didnt what exactly was the expectation Vian dhakke de k nikale usko ya 1 crore without knowing the reason de de charity me

Originally posted by: AbhijitAdityan2

Yes that is wrong but she didnt mention touching. She just justified flirting from far.

It is logical that Katha now see Viaan again in a wrong way like before because he did ask her ONS and now he is accused twice. It is normal to see him in a bad light. Iam surprised to see more people are blaming Katha than Viaan. May be is is bcos though the show is named Katha is is Viaan's POV.

Keeping her agreeing it due to her dire situations, it is WRONG for Bosses to propose ONS for an employee!

Jenny clearly said pass jake uncomfortable krti thi

@bold i dont mind her seeing Vian in that light ,i mind her being on the deciding committee and doing that .

I would have appreciated if she disclosed it even with the condition of being unnamed but as a witness like others ,def not the way she is doing now (if its not a dream)

I will like to add one more thing here i wont like it even when she will prove Vian innocent with Keith's video (thinking he cant do it )bcoz its not her job as judge

They have made a mockery of the entire process

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

that is a good serious question but I am not sure if we have the answer. I think the problem lies in having infinte serials.

like bechain mentioned couple of pages back, when we had finite serials, the quality was good. I was not familiar with the serials she mentioned because I only started watching hindi serials during the EK era. however, in tamil, during DD days, we had author written novels translated to serials and so the quality was very high.

however, even now, we do have some good serials now and then. bepannah was high emotional voltage drama but I loved most of it for the actors as well as the writing. it asked the question -- why love isn't enough to sustain a marriage? -- so apt for the modern age and very relevant to think about. so it is not like there weren't good and different serials now and then but they disappear quickly.

when it comes to movies though, I can tell you that I am not generally a fan of independent cinema or award winners. in fact, if I read something is oscar nominated or got awards, I know it will be dreadfullly serious and depressing and slow. so I avoid like the plauge. my personal feel is that commercial cinema like avengers and pacific rim are a masterpiece because it is not easy to create 2+ hours of entertainment. 😂

that said, I don't think commercial cinema means it has to be mindless. within south indian cinema, I like the family movies segment where the stories are clean, sweet, funny and still very different. you get great stories that are out of the box but meant to be watched as a family and are not depressing.

I think good storytelling has a lasting quality. I still enjoy watching movies from the 80s and 90s which were extremely well-written and talk about social themes. no matter how many times you have watched them, they are entertaining.

like you said, there has to be a middle ground -- yes, we want to see new stories but the key is it has to be entertaining. many are watching after a long day and that half hour is a way to unwind.

I haven't watched many shows , but i have felt that most shows after a point of time due to the stretching has same plot . Seperation track , marrying another lady ( but true love is for the lead ) the never exposing villians . Then death of leads . Enter generation two with new leads and same story with new faces .

Aree viewers are considered as fools sometimes i think .i usually watch first 50 or 100 episodes and stop.

Some channels had good social inspiring shows but hardly due they survive. Ishq ka rang safed was good in the start with widow remarriage nad the plight of widows , but after a point lost the track . That channel had such good concept shows compared ro the most popular channel i think.

Like Mango said regional movies are still more relatable to social situations and more appealing than colourful mass movies .