Kuch Ankahi - Mira Sethi, Sajal Aly, Bilal Abbas K, Sheheryar Munawar - Page 112

Originally posted by: columbia

In my case it was complete opposite, I found most of my brothers friends completely obnoxious, He had already told my brother that he was interested on the phone. Bhai was in army training, this fellow was almost done with his engineering, calls him up and tells him, Banda hi important aur urgent baat karni hai, my brother freaked thought something happened at home. And he says Kuch nahi, yaha sab thik hai. Buss Tujhe fikr karne ki load nahi hai, mai Kalyani se Shaadi karne vaala hun. My brother laughed and laughed on the phone telling him, voh tujhe ghaas bhi nahi dene vaali. Tu try maar le. And that’s it..between his final year exams and results and job, aisi try maara bande ne…ki his mom and my mom used to make bets on how long will I take to get convinced.

Your brother is also in the army? Mine too 😆

I am pretty sure my brother would have freaked out and broke his friendship if any of his friends said they are interested in me esp the school and college ones🤣. He is like the typical over protective brother. He can have gf but i am not supposed to have a bf type 🤣.

Originally posted by: spnfan

That scene in ddlj was not flirting but straight up harrasment. The bra scene is still fine since what was he supposed to do anyway but crawling into her personal space on their first meeting was creepy as hell. He was an irritating menace at the start and kajol's reaction towards him made sense. They atleast didn't show she was okay with his actions or she encouraged him. It's only after him helping her with the police she started being soft towards him and started trusting him only after he didn't take advantage of her at night.

I was mostly talking about his flirty dialogues and the way he says it like haarke jeetne Wale ko baazigar kehte hai and aise bade bade desho mein aisi choti choti baate hoti rahti hai senorita. Most of his dailogues are famous because of the way he delivers it. It's very evident in ae Dil hai muskil. There is zameen asmaan ka fark in the way ranbir and srk says the ek tarfa mohabbat dialogue. There is much more intensity and depth when srk says it and may be that's why they used his voice in the trailer.

Salman is clearly not the type to force his feelings on others. He knows not to cross the line and he don't even if Aaliya crosses her line. He isn't like since you crossed the line let me cross it too.

@ bold - Agreed

I also do think that our standard for a guy was definitely reduced by Karan Johar and YAsh Raj movies. Heroes in these movies didn’t have to do much to redeem their excessive harassment and that did contribute to a generation of girls who often pendulum between what is really ok and what is not. We definitely got lot of mixed signals from men when it came to proper behavior…and girls was always written as reacting to them, never as having their own personality o sense of self respect.

what I really love about how Aliya has been written is she has immense sense of purpose and identity, why she does what she does. She is involved in the banter, she smiles AND smirks. In this small role, there is enough layering to identify or relate to her.

Obviously this show is all over my feed 👍🏼❤️😎

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T81p8dZouJE

Originally posted by: columbia

She is oblivious to a lot of things, she essentially has not understood how to love. Her whole thing is about controlling the person, because that’s what she has seen. But the funniest part is her father sees through her. I must say the way she has been written, I know I won’t feel even an ounce of sympathy for her. Usually if this was a male character who was brought up dominating and was dominating towards his lover, there would be enough people wanting to watch him “change”. Here when they have flipped the gender, there is no sympathy for her. We don’t want Saif to be with her at all.

I like shagufta. She might be twisted but she is a strong and independent. I always prefered to watch grey female characters with questionable morals than holier than thou female characters. They are more interesting. I don't like completely negative one dimensional characters like haya from tere bin who don't have any redemption quality but I like morally corrupt characters who have layers to them. Shagufta isn't a negative character. She is capable of being sympathetic but she chooses not to. If she wanted she could have saved samiya and gotten married to saif but she didn't because it's more important for her to compete with saif's mother. Saif was ready to run away with her and get married and she has the guts to go to samiya's house and tell them the entire truth but she didn't take any of the options. She wants to get married to saif in front of everyone and she knows if samiya's rishta gets broken his mother will find another. But if saif's marriage to a girl of his mother's choice fails then the mother can no longer force saif to marry another girl of her choice and shagufta can marry saif without running away with him. She will then always have an upper hand over the mother and she will have reasons to taunt the mother for the rest of her life.

Originally posted by: columbia

Nahi yaar, I am liking the distribution actually, things are slowly unfolding…slowly but surely.

Originally posted by: columbia

@ bold - Agreed

I also do think that our standard for a guy was definitely reduced by Karan Johar and YAsh Raj movies. Heroes in these movies didn’t have to do much to redeem their excessive harassment and that did contribute to a generation of girls who often pendulum between what is really ok and what is not. We definitely got lot of mixed signals from men when it came to proper behavior…and girls was always written as reacting to them, never as having their own personality o sense of self respect.

what I really love about how Aliya has been written is she has immense sense of purpose and identity, why she does what she does. She is involved in the banter, she smiles AND smirks. In this small role, there is enough layering to identify or relate to her.

I don't think Yash Raj and Karan Johar did it. Infact if we look they had the most decent ones from that time period. It's mostly other directors that normalised harassment like David dawan. Salman Khan used to play such cheap chichore characters in his movies who used to creep around the female leads. Same with Govinda.

Srk's characters from kal ho na ho and k3g were among the least problematic male characters. They stood and supported the women they loved till the end. Veer Zara is one of the best romantic movies.

Yash Raj clearly showed srk as a phsyco villain in Darr but it's the audience that fell in love with srk and his charms. Sunny deol and juhi chawla were bigger stars than srk when Darr released. Sunny deol was the quintessential nice guy who protected the girl he loved with his life but somehow people saw him as the villain🤣

Originally posted by: spnfan

I like shagufta. She might be twisted but she is a strong and independent. I always prefered to watch grey female characters with questionable morals than holier than thou female characters. They are more interesting. I don't like completely negative one dimensional characters like haya from tere bin who don't have any redemption quality but I like morally corrupt characters who have layers to them. Shagufta isn't a negative character. She is capable of being sympathetic but she chooses not to. If she wanted she could have saved samiya and gotten married to saif but she didn't because it's more important for her to compete with saif's mother. Saif was ready to run away with her and get married and she has the guts to go to samiya's house and tell them the entire truth but she didn't take any of the options. She wants to get married to saif in front of everyone and she knows if samiya's rishta gets broken his mother will find another. But if saif's marriage to a girl of his mother's choice fails then the mother can no longer force saif to marry another girl of her choice and shagufta can marry saif without running away with him. She will then always have an upper hand over the mother and she will have reasons to taunt the mother for the rest of her life.

Tere bin was mehh tbh. I was initially interested but lost interested when they started the entire manhandling and everything in episode 2 or so,ething so lost interest and watched clips but saw haya character started to increase her presence a lot even before haya became behaya.🤣so, all in all, i dont get the hype.

maybe im bit picky over shows after watching pakistani shows after like 10+ years later (started in 2022 lol but watched few for storylines on-and-off) after watching good shows like Daam, ZGH, Malaal, etc.

shagufta was somewhat better lol and has a spine to speak. 😂 🤣

Originally posted by: spnfan

I like shagufta. She might be twisted but she is a strong and independent. I always prefered to watch grey female characters with questionable morals than holier than thou female characters. They are more interesting. I don't like completely negative one dimensional characters like haya from tere bin who don't have any redemption quality but I like morally corrupt characters who have layers to them. Shagufta isn't a negative character. She is capable of being sympathetic but she chooses not to. If she wanted she could have saved samiya and gotten married to saif but she didn't because it's more important for her to compete with saif's mother. Saif was ready to run away with her and get married and she has the guts to go to samiya's house and tell them the entire truth but she didn't take any of the options. She wants to get married to saif in front of everyone and she knows if samiya's rishta gets broken his mother will find another. But if saif's marriage to a girl of his mother's choice fails then the mother can no longer force saif to marry another girl of her choice and shagufta can marry saif without running away with him. She will then always have an upper hand over the mother and she will have reasons to taunt the mother for the rest of her life.

I am agreeing with you on everything. I am also trying to present it through another lens. Shagufta does have sympathy in her, for example, her calling Samiya before the marriage was exactly to give Samiya a chance to back off. Her coming to the wedding was to show the mother that she isn’t defeated, in fact at every point, she makes it a point to state that the mother knows about her. She is saying, you think I am shameless, the boy’s mother is equally shameless. It’s brilliantly done!!!
I agree these layers make her so so interesting,

But my comment was on another lens…whether we as audience have capacity to be sympathetic towards her. Will she be pushed to a point where we are told this is how it ends for those of who are “not good” and we shall rejoice. I wonder about that. The thing is we are fed with so much of “change” stories, I wonder how they will treat this end.

Originally posted by: columbia

I do wonder if they will go the “Mujhe Shaadi mei koi interest hi nahi hai” with Tanya. Which frankly will be refreshing to come to terms with. Why can’t she and Ali just go abroad on a Fulbright scholarship and lead a life they choose for themselves. I fervently hope she doesn’t get latched onto Shakeel. I think Shakeel was only brought in to emphasize on the whole property and girl issue.

I also hope Tanya does higher studies and no marriage obsession around her character.

Originally posted by: columbia

I am agreeing with you on everything. I am also trying to present it through another lens. Shagufta does have sympathy in her, for example, her calling Samiya before the marriage was exactly to give Samiya a chance to back off. Her coming to the wedding was to show the mother that she isn’t defeated, in fact at every point, she makes it a point to state that the mother knows about her. She is saying, you think I am shameless, the boy’s mother is equally shameless. It’s brilliantly done!!!
I agree these layers make her so so interesting,

But my comment was on another lens…whether we as audience have capacity to be sympathetic towards her. Will she be pushed to a point where we are told this is how it ends for those of who are “not good” and we shall rejoice. I wonder about that. The thing is we are fed with so much of “change” stories, I wonder how they will treat this end.

I hope not. From whatever we are shown till now the drama don't look down on women and their choices. Phupho is never shown in a negative light because of her being interested in multiple men. Shammo is not shown in a negative light over her obsession with getting her daughters married. They wouldn't have waisted so much time on shagufta if she was meant to be a one dimensional bad character. I doubt she will end up having a bad faith. She might end up regretting her choices and not cherishing a guy like Saif enough but i don't think she will have the worst ending like commiting suicide or going mad like typical pak dramas.