Pathaan - discussion (with spoilers) - Page 24

First of all thanx to you, Heisenberg, to balance the positive view on the movie with your negative perception. I respect that.

Still, there are some misinformation in your review.

I'll start with Jim as he was an excellent antagonist to SRK's Pathaan, superbly played by John Abraham. Jim - through his personal trauma - has become devoid of ANY humanitarian or patriotic thinking. Like Exol rightly states:

Originally posted by: EXOL

Jim’s revenge is not against India as he said. He just disassociated from the labels of country and soldier and patriotism. Hence, was working with similar mindset people devoid of any emotions for humanity . And Pathaan says , so many incidents which countries think was done by some terrorist groups was actually done by Jim . whoeven knows what all he did in India .. you need another spin off movie for that ..

Jim has become a mercenary, but the assignment he took he would even have executed without taking money (as he says to the general). But be assured, even if he had accomplished the deed, he would not have felt better inside. I guess that he has forbidden himself to feel anything anymore except smirking about patriotic or humanitarian thinking.

Now to Deepika's role. If one goes into the movie with an open and attentive mind, it has become clear that she plays an ex-agent. She joined the Pakistan intelligence service AFTER what had happened to her dad as she - certainly - had a rather romantic view on the ISI. We don't get to know, why she left the agency and joined Jim's group, but we get to know why she leaves the group and helps Pathaan and his group of JOCR members.

Jim assignes her to honey-trap Pathaan who himself spies on her (even in previous assignments, I guess that her task was oriented on that...and manage the money). It became clear that her "I work as an undercover ISI agent" was a lie to get Pathaan out of the game by using him instead to steal the smallpox virus (the "mate-check - checkmate" scene!). She won't go back to the ISI...in no way! She rather would join JOCR - as Pathaan's partner.

No love story between her and Pathaan although the mutual attraction is there. But Pathaan is much too wary to give in to the sexual attraction (and later maybe deeper feeling) right from the start. From the first viewing of the Besharam song I wrote about my feeling that it is a play from both of them (I just was mistaken about the Jim-angle).

I very much liked the fact that the motive of her u-turn wasn't the love for Pathaan but Jim's crime (supported by extremist Pakistan people - without the Pakistan government's knowledge!!!) against HUMANITY (she even says it). Also for Rubina, politics don't play the main role here....

Sorry...it got long...and it will continue...so much to say/write...

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

So I watched the movie last night 😆 I don't even know where to begin, I knew what I was getting in to, I knew I'll have to leave my brain at the door, but seeing people going gaga over this movie here, there was a small glimmer of hope, that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be as bad as I was expecting it to be.

Lo and behold! I was proven wrong, it wasn't as bad as I expected, it was several times worse. This has got to be one of the worst movies I've seen in a while, never have I regretted spending time/money at the cinema.

To start off with, there's no story, it's just a series of action scenes, nothing that you haven't seen before, cheesy dialogues, and bad CGI. The characters are all stupid, the movie doesn't even make an attempt to at least stay true to the geopolitics of the region.

John plays a renegade RAW agent who runs a terrorist organisation, he turns against India cause terrorists captured him and his pregnant wife, and the Indian government refused to negotiate with the terrorists, so they kill his wife. We are are told that this is the inflection point in his life, and the alleged motivation behind his actions, except it's not. He doesn't actually attack India until he's hired to do so 😆 there is no ideological/personal motivation behind his actions, not even his personal tragedy is enough of a reason for him to do anything, he does it for purely for money. Of course, he's angry at the government, so decides to kill innocent people instead.

Some people here have said that the movie shows the ISI as the bad guy, well, that is a half-truth. Yeh, the ISI is shown as a bad guy (because it's literally just one guy) but not the organisation, we are told that it's just a "few bad extremists" in the ISI, like the guy who hires Jim, as if the rest of the ISI is all about peace. We're talking about the ISI that has a military doctrine called "Bleed India with a thousand cuts". The same ISI that has been involved in every terrorist attack against India, the same ISI that funded and supported the Taliban, but sure, it's just a "few bad extremists". Btw, Pathaan thinks that Rubina (Deepika) joined ISI to "serve humanity" 🤣🤣🤣

Pathaan is a complete idiot, he meets Rubina knowing she's an ISI agent, and completely trusts her within 5 mins, probably couldn't think beyond his dick after seeing her gyrating in skimpy clothes to Besharam Rang, and then gets lured to Jim, where he's captured. 😆 If that isn't bad enough, he's shocked when Rubina betrays him 😆 and then the moron trusts her again. The movie is so bad that you can't help but laugh.

SRK face looks completely CGI'd, he looks less like a Raw agent, and more like someone suffering from midlife crisis, also I do have one problem with this movie, because it's deliberately done, definitely not coincidental. This is the second SRK movie where the terrorist is an ex-Indian soldier, the first being Main Hoon Na, why is he so hesitant at showing radical Islamist terrorist groups in his movies? the ones who have ACTUALLY carried out terrorist attacks against India? India has not been attacked by disgruntled ex-Indian soldiers. In the movie, there is a scene where someone is listing out various terrorist attacks around the world, carried out by ISIS, Boko Haram etc, then Pathaan jumps in, and is like, "these attacks weren't carried out by them, not directly anyway, it was all done by Outfit X"

Especially in the backdrop of the revocation of Article 370, even in an imaginary world, why that hell would the ISI hire an ex-Raw agent? we know they went nuts after Article 370 was revoked, and have thousands of terrorists at their disposal, acknowledged by Imran Khan himself, at least try to have some semblance to reality that makes some sense.

Anyway, the Buffalo makes an appearance in this movie, all of us just started laughing, the last time I saw him was in Ek Tha Buffalo, if they wanted a renegade Raw agent, why not send Pathaan after Buffalo, who betrayed his country for a piece of ass, and then capture and bring him back to India to face sedition, that would've made for a better movie.

There is a lot more nonsensical things, but this is long enough, to sum up, RAW is portrayed as a bunch of incompetent bumbling gullible idiots who can't figure out anything until an ISI agent helps them, the ISI are not really against India, it's just a "few extremist people" acting independently, the messaging/narrative is terrible. Even if you ignore all of the above and just watch it as a generic action movie, it's bad, about 10-15 people walked out in the second half, I was inclined to join them but had come with a group of people. Deepika looked hot though, probably the hottest she's ever looked! so I give the movie 1/10 just for her hotness. There were a couple of girls who got up and started dancing during the Jhoome Jo Pathaan, that was the only best part of the evening. 😆

My advice is, only watch this if you're an SRK fan, or have absolutely zero expectations from a movie. 😆

@bold — oh bouy. ISIS and Boko Haram is also operated by outfit X (imaginary terrorist outfit) and RAw agent supports it?

Yeh toh jyada se bhi upar wala PROPAGANDA ho gaya. This is a clear attempt at setting up a narrative. Yeh log toh ab isis ko bhi justify karna chahte hai.. using soft power.
Refuse to believe that srk doesn’t know what was he sprouting off. Didn’t expect him to fall pray to identity politics. Major disappointment!

And Not only Main Hoon Na..

Srk has tried to justify gangster Latif in Raees.

Srk fans ko TKF mein propaganda dikhta hai Pathaan mein nai. 🤣

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

So I watched the movie last night 😆 I don't even know where to begin, I knew what I was getting in to, I knew I'll have to leave my brain at the door, but seeing people going gaga over this movie here, there was a small glimmer of hope, that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be as bad as I was expecting it to be.

Lo and behold! I was proven wrong, it wasn't as bad as I expected, it was several times worse. This has got to be one of the worst movies I've seen in a while, never have I regretted spending time/money at the cinema.

To start off with, there's no story, it's just a series of action scenes, nothing that you haven't seen before, cheesy dialogues, and bad CGI. The characters are all stupid, the movie doesn't even make an attempt to at least stay true to the geopolitics of the region.

John plays a renegade RAW agent who runs a terrorist organisation, he turns against India cause terrorists captured him and his pregnant wife, and the Indian government refused to negotiate with the terrorists, so they kill his wife. We are are told that this is the inflection point in his life, and the alleged motivation behind his actions, except it's not. He doesn't actually attack India until he's hired to do so 😆 there is no ideological/personal motivation behind his actions, not even his personal tragedy is enough of a reason for him to do anything, he does it for purely for money. Of course, he's angry at the government, so decides to kill innocent people instead.

Some people here have said that the movie shows the ISI as the bad guy, well, that is a half-truth. Yeh, the ISI is shown as a bad guy (because it's literally just one guy) but not the organisation, we are told that it's just a "few bad extremists" in the ISI, like the guy who hires Jim, as if the rest of the ISI is all about peace. We're talking about the ISI that has a military doctrine called "Bleed India with a thousand cuts". The same ISI that has been involved in every terrorist attack against India, the same ISI that funded and supported the Taliban, but sure, it's just a "few bad extremists". Btw, Pathaan thinks that Rubina (Deepika) joined ISI to "serve humanity" 🤣🤣🤣

Pathaan is a complete idiot, he meets Rubina knowing she's an ISI agent, and completely trusts her within 5 mins, probably couldn't think beyond his dick after seeing her gyrating in skimpy clothes to Besharam Rang, and then gets lured to Jim, where he's captured. 😆 If that isn't bad enough, he's shocked when Rubina betrays him 😆 and then the moron trusts her again. The movie is so bad that you can't help but laugh.

SRK face looks completely CGI'd, he looks less like a Raw agent, and more like someone suffering from midlife crisis, also I do have one problem with this movie, because it's deliberately done, definitely not coincidental. This is the second SRK movie where the terrorist is an ex-Indian soldier, the first being Main Hoon Na, why is he so hesitant at showing radical Islamist terrorist groups in his movies? the ones who have ACTUALLY carried out terrorist attacks against India? India has not been attacked by disgruntled ex-Indian soldiers. In the movie, there is a scene where someone is listing out various terrorist attacks around the world, carried out by ISIS, Boko Haram etc, then Pathaan jumps in, and is like, "these attacks weren't carried out by them, not directly anyway, it was all done by Outfit X"

Especially in the backdrop of the revocation of Article 370, even in an imaginary world, why that hell would the ISI hire an ex-Raw agent? we know they went nuts after Article 370 was revoked, and have thousands of terrorists at their disposal, acknowledged by Imran Khan himself, at least try to have some semblance to reality that makes some sense.

Anyway, the Buffalo makes an appearance in this movie, all of us just started laughing, the last time I saw him was in Ek Tha Buffalo, if they wanted a renegade Raw agent, why not send Pathaan after Buffalo, who betrayed his country for a piece of ass, and then capture and bring him back to India to face sedition, that would've made for a better movie.

There is a lot more nonsensical things, but this is long enough, to sum up, RAW is portrayed as a bunch of incompetent bumbling gullible idiots who can't figure out anything until an ISI agent helps them, the ISI are not really against India, it's just a "few extremist people" acting independently, the messaging/narrative is terrible. Even if you ignore all of the above and just watch it as a generic action movie, it's bad, about 10-15 people walked out in the second half, I was inclined to join them but had come with a group of people. Deepika looked hot though, probably the hottest she's ever looked! so I give the movie 1/10 just for her hotness. There were a couple of girls who got up and started dancing during the Jhoome Jo Pathaan, that was the only best part of the evening. 😆

My advice is, only watch this if you're an SRK fan, or have absolutely zero expectations from a movie. 😆

Ye action movie mein apko itna plot dikh Gaya bhai 🤣

Shahrukh looked bad in the movie. Especially close up.

what was everyone’s reaction to ending of besharam song??? … it was the most unpredictable scene for me .. lethal tbh

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

@bold — oh bouy. ISIS and Boko Haram is also operated by outfit X (imaginary terrorist outfit) and RAw agent supports it?

Yeh toh jyada se bhi upar wala PROPAGANDA ho gaya. This is a clear attempt at setting up a narrative. Yeh log toh ab isis ko bhi justify karna chahte hai.. using soft power.
Refuse to believe that srk doesn’t know what was he sprouting off. Didn’t expect him to fall pray to identity politics. Major disappointment!

And Not only Main Hoon Na..

Srk has tried to justify gangster Latif in Raees.

Srk fans ko TKF mein propaganda dikhta hai Pathaan mein nai. 🤣

No, let me rephrase lol, basically they're holding a meeting in the office, and one of the team members is listing various terrorist attacks that have happened around the world, where ISIS, Boko Haram etc have been held responsible, Pathaan is then claiming that these terrorist organisations weren't involved in those attacks, they were actually done by Outfit X. 😆 So Outfit X doesn't operate ISIS, Boko Haram, but those terrorist attacks have been falsely attributed to them, they were all done by Outfit X. 😆

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

So I watched the movie last night 😆 I don't even know where to begin, I knew what I was getting in to, I knew I'll have to leave my brain at the door, but seeing people going gaga over this movie here, there was a small glimmer of hope, that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be as bad as I was expecting it to be.

Lo and behold! I was proven wrong, it wasn't as bad as I expected, it was several times worse. This has got to be one of the worst movies I've seen in a while, never have I regretted spending time/money at the cinema.

To start off with, there's no story, it's just a series of action scenes, nothing that you haven't seen before, cheesy dialogues, and bad CGI. The characters are all stupid, the movie doesn't even make an attempt to at least stay true to the geopolitics of the region.

John plays a renegade RAW agent who runs a terrorist organisation, he turns against India cause terrorists captured him and his pregnant wife, and the Indian government refused to negotiate with the terrorists, so they kill his wife. We are are told that this is the inflection point in his life, and the alleged motivation behind his actions, except it's not. He doesn't actually attack India until he's hired to do so 😆 there is no ideological/personal motivation behind his actions, not even his personal tragedy is enough of a reason for him to do anything, he does it for purely for money. Of course, he's angry at the government, so decides to kill innocent people instead.

Some people here have said that the movie shows the ISI as the bad guy, well, that is a half-truth. Yeh, the ISI is shown as a bad guy (because it's literally just one guy) but not the organisation, we are told that it's just a "few bad extremists" in the ISI, like the guy who hires Jim, as if the rest of the ISI is all about peace. We're talking about the ISI that has a military doctrine called "Bleed India with a thousand cuts". The same ISI that has been involved in every terrorist attack against India, the same ISI that funded and supported the Taliban, but sure, it's just a "few bad extremists". Btw, Pathaan thinks that Rubina (Deepika) joined ISI to "serve humanity" 🤣🤣🤣

Pathaan is a complete idiot, he meets Rubina knowing she's an ISI agent, and completely trusts her within 5 mins, probably couldn't think beyond his dick after seeing her gyrating in skimpy clothes to Besharam Rang, and then gets lured to Jim, where he's captured. 😆 If that isn't bad enough, he's shocked when Rubina betrays him 😆 and then the moron trusts her again. The movie is so bad that you can't help but laugh.

SRK face looks completely CGI'd, he looks less like a Raw agent, and more like someone suffering from midlife crisis, also I do have one problem with this movie, because it's deliberately done, definitely not coincidental. This is the second SRK movie where the terrorist is an ex-Indian soldier, the first being Main Hoon Na, why is he so hesitant at showing radical Islamist terrorist groups in his movies? the ones who have ACTUALLY carried out terrorist attacks against India? India has not been attacked by disgruntled ex-Indian soldiers. In the movie, there is a scene where someone is listing out various terrorist attacks around the world, carried out by ISIS, Boko Haram etc, then Pathaan jumps in, and is like, "these attacks weren't carried out by them, not directly anyway, it was all done by Outfit X"

Especially in the backdrop of the revocation of Article 370, even in an imaginary world, why that hell would the ISI hire an ex-Raw agent? we know they went nuts after Article 370 was revoked, and have thousands of terrorists at their disposal, acknowledged by Imran Khan himself, at least try to have some semblance to reality that makes some sense.

Anyway, the Buffalo makes an appearance in this movie, all of us just started laughing, the last time I saw him was in Ek Tha Buffalo, if they wanted a renegade Raw agent, why not send Pathaan after Buffalo, who betrayed his country for a piece of ass, and then capture and bring him back to India to face sedition, that would've made for a better movie.

There is a lot more nonsensical things, but this is long enough, to sum up, RAW is portrayed as a bunch of incompetent bumbling gullible idiots who can't figure out anything until an ISI agent helps them, the ISI are not really against India, it's just a "few extremist people" acting independently, the messaging/narrative is terrible. Even if you ignore all of the above and just watch it as a generic action movie, it's bad, about 10-15 people walked out in the second half, I was inclined to join them but had come with a group of people. Deepika looked hot though, probably the hottest she's ever looked! so I give the movie 1/10 just for her hotness. There were a couple of girls who got up and started dancing during the Jhoome Jo Pathaan, that was the only best part of the evening. 😆

My advice is, only watch this if you're an SRK fan, or have absolutely zero expectations from a movie. 😆

eventhough i am an srk fan i am not comfortable with saying isis and boko haram were sponsored by outfit x kinda nonsense. what is the point of fake narratives to protect isi and islamist terrorists always ? why and is srk comfortable with all this nonsense ?

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17

No, let me rephrase lol, basically they're holding a meeting in the office, and one of the team members is listing various terrorist attacks that have happened around the world, where ISIS, Boko Haram etc have been held responsible, Pathaan is then claiming that these terrorist organisations weren't involved in those attacks, they were actually done by Outfit X. 😆 So Outfit X doesn't operate ISIS, Boko Haram, but those terrorist attacks have been falsely attributed to them, they were all done by Outfit X. 😆

Wahi baat ho gai na..

isis and boko haram innocent hai. Outfit x is the problem.
Clearly setting up a narrative.

Originally posted by: incrediblycute

OMG I couldn't have said it better..deepika srk love story is exactly lust story and there is no heart to heart talk to build confidence....Dimple kapadia even warned SRK against her then also he was completely clueless.

I haven't seen such an incompetent agent like Pathaan in an agent movie....

The film is so bad that John Abraham was the best part.

John was definitely the best, he kept outwitting everyone, not that it took much, cause RAW in this movie are a portrayed as a bunch of clowns. JOCR (read as JOKER), was a perfectly apt name for the team! 😆

Originally posted by: MET1995

I was hoping to see some real discussion here..instead its just mindless bhakt butthurt. Remember folks portraying Muslims as villians all the time is fine and not agenda driven. But daring to portray one bad RAW agent is evil and anti India.

There are Hollywood movies where the freaking President is The villian yet you don't see people crying because unlike bhakts they know its fiction and aren't insecure babies

Well you can all stay mad because Pathan is an All time Blockbuster!

At the cost of sounding very very very offensive to some people a particular community is shown bad in few aspects coz they have acted like that in real life.But RAW doesn't really have an officer that has gone rogue.