SRK's career without KJo and YRF - what would it be? - Page 8

Atominis, concentrating only on what you write concerning SRK's career, I see some interesting arguments (like the jodi-angle, "making" Farah Khan). My initial post shows exactly the statements against which I wanted to go because of the unfairness of their negative exaggeration. So, there is no need to compare SRK with other actors if one wants to write something about SRK's career without KJo-movies and YRF-films.

Domestic box office arguments are beaten to death, imo, too

There is no need either to enlarge upon both the production houses and their work. I think, it is enough to state that SRK himself felt/feels emotionally attatched to Dharma and YRF...otherwise just forget them in your argumentation about "What would be SRK's career without KJo and YRF?".

I know, it's a question where one has to guess, to suppose, to assume (which seems to be an inherent part of many, many IF postings)...

So firstly, one has to assume that neither YRF nor a potential director Karan Johar would have WANTED to do a movie with SRK (tough task, I think) - otherwise kingkhan22's question (and deductions) would be redundant (and my question, too 😉).

I find HearMe Roar's hinting at another career-graph VERY interesting when she wrote that through the movies SRK did with KJo and YRF (except Darr) the actor in him got somehow sidelined by the star.

That's why I find Guddu's suggestion a good idea: to focus on "SRK's growth as an actor during his career" as we all know that KJo and YRF are a fact in SRK's career but this fact wasn't at all only positive for him (there is nothing positive without something negative...and vice versa).

Like seriously? Every superstar is superstar becoz of his talent + his director, producers, writers, music directors

Originally posted by: Jazzkapur

Like seriously? Every superstar is superstar becoz of his talent + his director, producers, writers, music directors

Yes Jazz, I totally agree with you. You are absolutely right ⭐️

I do agree that sticking to friends like YRF, Dharma, Farah somewhere lost us the actor in SRK and stereotyped him as just king of romance. His films became very predictable by 2004-2005. Same old Kajols, Preitys, Ranis, Madhuris, Ashs and romantic gazes and songs at exotic locations.

Even supporting cast was similar with Smita Jayakar, Reema Lagoo, Anupam and Kirron Kher, Johny Lever or Farida Jalal, Himani Shivpuri.

A significant section of audience began to get weary of him and outgrew him. And other Khans marched ahead with different genres and so did likes of Hrithik who carved their own niche, found own audience.

SRK has been struggling to find his groove since then and has had no big success post OSO nor a critically acclaimed hit since CDI.

I think Dharma and YRF stereotyped and caricatured him. MNIK was a different film and SRK attempted a good act yet Dharma marketed it solely on basis of return of SRK and Kajol jodi and love story, which is what backfired for film and the regular audience was unable to grasp subject of film and they went ahead thinking it was another romantic film.

SRK had potential to do a lot more diverse work as actor if he did not stick to YRF, Dharma.

Shocking how he refused films like Lagaan, RDB, 3 Idiots and Munnabhai series only to do crap like KANK or HNY etc. Others went ahead reinventing themselves but SRK is yet to find his groove. YRF gave ETT and D3 to Aamir and Salman who were not known for action or stunts originally yet SRK got same old romantic fare in JTHJ from YRF.

He is attempting action in Pathaan which is good. I do not want to see him in romantic films.

One doesn't know the reasons why he did not the movies you wrote about, atominis. I myself only know that he asked Hirani to do first Munnabhai movie with another actor because he had to undergo a difficult operation not knowing the outcome (there was the danger of partly being paralysed). When 3 Idiots was planned, he already had other comittments.

When Ashutosh asked him because of Lagaan, SRK had just founded his first production house with Juhi and Aziz and they needed the money for their own movies (and were preparing Asoka).

So, I would not like to pass any judgement about him not doing the movies you mentioned.

Anyways, I think, SRK always tried to go against this romantic image carved by KJo and YRF but that was a tough task because it seems to me that a big part of the audience wanted him in these romantic roles.

Farah did not cast him as a romantic hero!

No production house or super star actor like SRK will ever figure out a perfect algorithm for a BLOCKBUSTER

There will ALWAYS be some failures along the way of film-making.

It's a HIT or MISS business 🥺

Originally posted by: atominis

Honestly SRK owes a LOT of his hits, overseas popularity, media being kinder to him and awards to YRF and Dharma. Particularly the access he got through YRF was a dream come true.

YRF has biggest penetration in overseas markets and Indian markets and is biggest PH of India. Being their darling has its advantages.

To say SRK made YRF is a joke given how Chopras were always powerful.

This is something fans don't seem to realise. SRK was insanely popular overseas and in posh urban metros.

Go to Reddit's Bollywood subs and you will find a SRK appreciation thread every single day. As they're largely dominated by NRIs. SRK's PR game is unparalleled.

It would be unwise to claim that Dharma and YRF "made" SRK. That's not entirely true. But SRK being their golden boy helped elevate his superstar status.

If you want to look at box-office collections, SRK hasn't delivered an AtBB since KKHH. That's nearly a quarter of a century. He hasn't notched up 3 crores in footfalls since K3G. In the same timeframe, Salman and Aamir have three movies with 3+ crores footfalls.

As atominis mentioned, YRF (and Dharma later on) have always had the biggest penetration in overseas market. In India alone, YRF has been the biggest production house for decades. Dharma is second.

It would be unfair to pin all of SRK's successes on those production houses. But as we've seen with Alia, if you have the talent to back it up, YRF/Dharma will ensure that you are perceived as the best. They did it with SRK. They've done it with Alia. SRK obviously is extremely talented.

Then again, his big five blockbusters (DDLJ, KKHH, K3G, Karan Arjun, DTPH), 4/5 were with Dharma/YRF. His 3 crores footfalls came in DDLJ, KKHH, K3G and Karan Arjun. 3/4 with YRF/Dharma again.

No doubt they propelled his career to greater heights. It would be rewriting history if we denied so.

A symbiotic arrangement would be fair categorization.

SRK needed them greatly, and they him 💔

OmShantiOm (Red Chillies) and RabNeBanaDiJodi (YRF) and ChennaiExpress (co-produced by Red Chillies) were Blockbuster-movies, too.

Just on topic- I think he still would have made it somehow because he was talented and had immense charisma. SRK during the 90s was something else ❤️