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Once again, I am going to mention it beforehand that this is my reaction to the old, VERY OLD posts made on this forum but considering those topics are locked so it's pretty obvious why I made a new topic for it 9 years later 😆. Also I'm well aware of the fact that not a soul right now is interested in the forum, nor the post and most likely neither the show, so I'm doing it mostly for my own self because the comments are just bubbling inside me. 😆




I had seen some things being repeatedly said here. So I'll just address them. Also most of these points are not THAT important. Once again, it's just a rant session. Also most of these points constitute things before Jalal and Jodha got married.




1) Paridhi isn't beautiful:


BLEH. It is objectively untrue. She's one of the most beautiful faces I've seen. Or most people have seen in fact. I'm much of a whiner so I did whine about this part on twitter and people were in fact shell shocked to find out that there are people who thought Paridhi is not good looking, including myself. I mean, how does one even form that opinion? I could only reach one conclusion that those comments brewed from the self hate we all women have been taught in India where we run behind eurocentric features. And the constant mentions of how women who are "fair skinned with light skin and skinny" are prettier just solidified my point. I hope all the girls who said this back in the day are now more accepting of their own ethnic features today. It would be a shame if they are still judging themselves and/or other women on standards the whites decided for us even today after almost a decade.




2) Rajat speaks too fast and low.


Now, unlike the above point, there's no objective opposition to this point because this is actually something that can be called an opinion. But personally, I absolutely loved his dialogue delivery most days. I was glad he wasn't speaking like some sort of Akbar-Birbal, Mughal-e-Azam Akbar with his voice louder than the drums and slower than a sloth all clueless or desperate to create fear. His dialogue delivery managed to create a feel of urgency and superiority which in my opinion was much needed for a young Jalal still in the process of finding a way to become a conqueror of the entire subcontinent. Jalal was arrogant, self centred, too prideful. He was a ruthless oppressor. He was feared, there was no need for him to scream his lungs out to make people fear him. His fast paced speaking also created a sense of, like I said, urgency for me. He's the emperor, he doesn't have much time for small talks so he is only used to speaking like that. And once again, he was the emperor that cut people's limbs for touching his shoes, who had the guts to tell him, "Shehenshah, speak slow be a good boy" 😆



3) Jodha was too fiery for a princess


Ahhhhh the take that has managed to annoy me the most. Reading all those discussions had me wanting to scream in the void. First of all, she was a rajputani princess. The community of women famous for jumping into the pits of fire to protect their honor from any invaders that wanted to have them. How do you say they were anything but fiery? It was established from the very beginning that she wasn't a rule follower. I do not understand why did people expect her to be princessy all the time, especially when she was getting married to her people's oppressor and her biggest enemy against her will. Calling what she did "tantrums" just felt very sexist to me, a dismissive way of reacting to female rage. She was allowed to be angry, in fact she was allowed to be furious. Anyone would be, all the graceful princesses included. And especially Jodha, who was not much a princess anyway as established from the first episode. She was no one interested in dolls and jewels, she had one goal in her mind. Jalal ka sar.




3) Oh, the infamous "Jalal ka sarr" 😆

I see it became quite a topic on the forum. People found it annoying. Now I don't know if it's just my own hate for that gender or my rage to imperialists, but it was one thing that attracted me to Jodha as a character. She was someone who couldn't see a bird hurt and would go running bare-headed out of the palace to tend to an injured pigeon, forgetting all the rules of a princess and a woman for that matter. That was her kindness. And in such a kind heart, there was a hate so big, so cruel for someone. That intrigued me. It was one of the highlights of that character for me. A woman who was capable enough to hate passionately, a rare specimen in ITV. And unlike how people said that her hate was unjustified, it wasn't. Another place where I wanted to scream. How is her hate unjustified for the invader of her land, who sends people to loot her subjects, her temples, her Devi maa? How's her hate unjustified for the oppressors who looked at her best friend like a piece of meat and abducted her, her poor best friend left with no option than try to immolate herself? How is her hate unjustified for the invaders that are killing her people, forcing them convert from their roots? All the "she's a princess, she shouldn't behave like this" sounded much hollow to me now when people forgot that being a princess does not only mean to be calm, poised and classy. It also means having a responsibility towards your people. It takes me 0.007 seconds to hate a man who thinks of women any less than their absolute equal, how could she not hate a man who treated her subjects worse than animals killed for meat? So, I was always cheering for Jodha's blood-thirst for Jalal. I mean, the m!sansdrist in me loved it hehe.




4) Why was Jodha scared of Jalal if she hated him so violently?


Ah, I'm gonna make a lot of pro-jodha points because the forum seemed to do all the excusing for Jalal itself, leaving nothing for me to say. Jodha being scared of the Mughals while also keeping the hate she felt for them has nothing to do with her being a hypocrite, or scaredy cat for that matter. It's okay to be scared. She knew the power they held. She wasn't scared to fight if it came to that but that didn't mean she wasn't scared of what they were capable of. People really do love to dismiss female emotions and looking at them single dimensionally. It's okay for women to have layers. It's a character, not a caricature.




5) And finally, the Mughals weren't that bad


Um.. I don't think you all understand how invasions work. There are documented works of what Mughals did to our people from themselves and from their victims. So unfortunately, they were actually that bad. While the show was highly fictionalized, it was one thing I appreciated in it. They showed a close to reality depiction of what the foreign invaders did in India. At least for the first few months.




These are not all the points that pissed me off, there are maaaanyyy more but I guess I will keep coming back to this as I keep reading more into the forum. smiley36 This post has become to big I see. Kaash itni mehnat apni job mein kar leti main. 😆

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Oh, one more.


I also didn't understand the hate for Ruqaiya. I mean of course I get why would people dislike her actions and be annoyed by them. I was too. But I didn't like how she got no benefit of doubt at all, which Jalal did. While her actions weren't justified, they made sense. (I'm totally excluding the parts of Salim here) What did poor Ruqaiya had left? Unlike today, she couldn't also walk out of a loveless marriage to start a new life. She could either accept her fate or fight for what she wanted. She chose to do the latter in her own twisted way.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: wohradhahai

Once again, I am going to mention it beforehand that this is my reaction to the old, VERY OLD posts made on this forum but considering those topics are locked so it's pretty obvious why I made a new topic for it 9 years later 😆. Also I'm well aware of the fact that not a soul right now is interested in the forum, nor the post and most likely neither the show, so I'm doing it mostly for my own self because the comments are just bubbling inside me. 😆




I had seen some things being repeatedly said here. So I'll just address them. Also most of these points are not THAT important. Once again, it's just a rant session. Also most of these points constitute things before Jalal and Jodha got married.




1) Paridhi isn't beautiful:


BLEH. It is objectively untrue. She's one of the most beautiful faces I've seen. Or most people have seen in fact. I'm much of a whiner so I did whine about this part on twitter and people were in fact shell shocked to find out that there are people who thought Paridhi is not good looking, including myself. I mean, how does one even form that opinion? I could only reach one conclusion that those comments brewed from the self hate we all women have been taught in India where we run behind eurocentric features. And the constant mentions of how women who are "fair skinned with light skin and skinny" are prettier just solidified my point. I hope all the girls who said this back in the day are now more accepting of their own ethnic features today. It would be a shame if they are still judging themselves and/or other women on standards the whites decided for us even today after almost a decade.


-->>> I strongly disagree man! seriously! I've too , come across such nasty comments on IF and Instagram ..like seriously, she was called unprofessional just because she refused to have a lip-lock? this was at the times of JA .. and speaking about beauty- man! , she is the most beautiful person both inside and out ... she's an angel ❤️ her nature is really very good. she is down-to-earth person (I've had experiences of that, trust me) Love her like anything ❤️


2) Rajat speaks too fast and low.


Now, unlike the above point, there's no objective opposition to this point because this is actually something that can be called an opinion. But personally, I absolutely loved his dialogue delivery most days. I was glad he wasn't speaking like some sort of Akbar-Birbal, Mughal-e-Azam Akbar with his voice louder than the drums and slower than a sloth all clueless or desperate to create fear. His dialogue delivery managed to create a feel of urgency and superiority which in my opinion was much needed for a young Jalal still in the process of finding a way to become a conqueror of the entire subcontinent. Jalal was arrogant, self centred, too prideful. He was a ruthless oppressor. He was feared, there was no need for him to scream his lungs out to make people fear him. His fast paced speaking also created a sense of, like I said, urgency for me. He's the emperor, he doesn't have much time for small talks so he is only used to speaking like that. And once again, he was the emperor that cut people's limbs for touching his shoes, who had the guts to tell him, "Shehenshah, speak slow be a good boy" 😆


-->>> can't understand a thing he says in english, truly !! In his live sessions while I'm trying to fathom what he's saying in sentence 2 .. he is on sentence 7 by that time 🤪


3) Jodha was too fiery for a princess


Ahhhhh the take that has managed to annoy me the most. Reading all those discussions had me wanting to scream in the void. First of all, she was a rajputani princess. The community of women famous for jumping into the pits of fire to protect their honor from any invaders that wanted to have them. How do you say they were anything but fiery? It was established from the very beginning that she wasn't a rule follower. I do not understand why did people expect her to be princessy all the time, especially when she was getting married to her people's oppressor and her biggest enemy against her will. Calling what she did "tantrums" just felt very sexist to me, a dismissive way of reacting to female rage. She was allowed to be angry, in fact she was allowed to be furious. Anyone would be, all the graceful princesses included. And especially Jodha, who was not much a princess anyway as established from the first episode. She was no one interested in dolls and jewels, she had one goal in her mind. Jalal ka sar.


---->>> she was perfect ❤️

3) Oh, the infamous "Jalal ka sarr" 😆

I see it became quite a topic on the forum. People found it annoying. Now I don't know if it's just my own hate for that gender or my rage to imperialists, but it was one thing that attracted me to Jodha as a character. She was someone who couldn't see a bird hurt and would go running bare-headed out of the palace to tend to an injured pigeon, forgetting all the rules of a princess and a woman for that matter. That was her kindness. And in such a kind heart, there was a hate so big, so cruel for someone. That intrigued me. It was one of the highlights of that character for me. A woman who was capable enough to hate passionately, a rare specimen in ITV. And unlike how people said that her hate was unjustified, it wasn't. Another place where I wanted to scream. How is her hate unjustified for the invader of her land, who sends people to loot her subjects, her temples, her Devi maa? How's her hate unjustified for the oppressors who looked at her best friend like a piece of meat and abducted her, her poor best friend left with no option than try to immolate herself? How is her hate unjustified for the invaders that are killing her people, forcing them convert from their roots? All the "she's a princess, she shouldn't behave like this" sounded much hollow to me now when people forgot that being a princess does not only mean to be calm, poised and classy. It also means having a responsibility towards your people. It takes me 0.007 seconds to hate a man who thinks of women any less than their absolute equal, how could she not hate a man who treated her subjects worse than animals killed for meat? So, I was always cheering for Jodha's blood-thirst for Jalal. I mean, the m!sansdrist in me loved it hehe.


--->> no comments 🤬


4) Why was Jodha scared of Jalal if she hated him so violently?


Ah, I'm gonna make a lot of pro-jodha points because the forum seemed to do all the excusing for Jalal itself, leaving nothing for me to say. Jodha being scared of the Mughals while also keeping the hate she felt for them has nothing to do with her being a hypocrite, or scaredy cat for that matter. It's okay to be scared. She knew the power they held. She wasn't scared to fight if it came to that but that didn't mean she wasn't scared of what they were capable of. People really do love to dismiss female emotions and looking at them single dimensionally. It's okay for women to have layers. It's a character, not a caricature.


---->>> I don't think she was scared of mughals .. first of all , I don't like saying this but it's a fact that Jodha yeh word real history mein hai hi nhi .. not even in Akbarnama ... toh what she feeled or wha she was most scared of is a topic to debate who's solution lies nowhere ... 🤬I mean it's must have been or may not have been .. who knows ... kuch sites toh, they call Jodha as Akbar daughter-in-law .. (i find this daughter-in-law thing s*it)🤪


5) And finally, the Mughals weren't that bad


Um.. I don't think you all understand how invasions work. There are documented works of what Mughals did to our people from themselves and from their victims. So unfortunately, they were actually that bad. While the show was highly fictionalized, it was one thing I appreciated in it. They showed a close to reality depiction of what the foreign invaders did in India. At least for the first few months.


---> 🤬🤬🤬

These are not all the points that pissed me off, there are maaaanyyy more but I guess I will keep coming back to this as I keep reading more into the forum. smiley36 This post has become to big I see. Kaash itni mehnat apni job mein kar leti main. 😆


@bold, LMAOOOOO 🤣

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: awesomeava

-->>> I strongly disagree man! seriously! I've too , come across such nasty comments on IF and Instagram ..like seriously, she was called unprofessional just because she refused to have a lip-lock? smiley18 this was at the times of JA .. and speaking about beauty- man! , she is the most beautiful person both inside and out ... she's an angel smiley27 her nature is really very good. she is down-to-earth person (I've had experiences of that, trust me) Love her like anything smiley27


ahh, I think you've misunderstood what I was meaning to say. 😳 I think Paridhi is one of the most beautiful women I've seen. I've not watched much of either PariJat off screen so I don't know how they are as people but I think Paridhi is gorgeous. I was just addressing what people said in the forum that made me mad.



Originally posted by: awesomeava

-->>> can't understand a thing he says in english, truly !! In his live sessions while I'm trying to fathom what he's saying in sentence 2 .. he is on sentence 7 by that time smiley39


Hahahahaha, poor Rajat! I identify with him a lot here. Maybe I don't have a problem with his speech because I myself speak very fast, both in Hindi and especially in English. 😆 It's just a thing with me. As for Jalal as a character, I think it was a pretty good touch. It just adds to the intimidating aura of a person.


Originally posted by: awesomeava

---->>> I don't think she was scared of mughals .. first of all , I don't like saying this but it's a fact that Jodha yeh word real history mein hai hi nhi .. not even in Akbarnama ... toh what she feeled or wha she was most scared of is a topic to debate who's solution lies nowhere ... smiley35I mean it's must have been or may not have been .. who knows ... kuch sites toh, they call Jodha as Akbar daughter-in-law .. (i find this daughter-in-law thing s*it)


No she was definitely not "scared" of the Mughal. She was scared of the situation. She would bravely fight many of them at a time if it came to that, even if she has to give up her life in the battle. She would consider it good fortune to go as a martyr for the freedom of her people. But yes, she was scared in a way anyone would be, the better word would be cautious. Like the say, bravery isn't in not being scared, bravery is in fighting despite being scared.


Jodha is a misnomer, yes. There's no mention of this name as far as I know. However, it is a name in many folklores. Jodha, as we know her, is referred to as Mariam-uz-zamani in texts across the Mughal history and literature. And as shown in the show, it is a title given to her after she birthed Salim. It means "Mary of the age" which goes in line with many Islamic and Christian texts talking about Jesus' birth. There are some speculations, with no more proof than that of Jodha being Akbar's wife, that Jodha was Jehangir's wife but like you said, they are just as shit. Jodha, many say, was the name of one of the princesses of Jodhpur. But that again is only a theory. It is totally possible that Jodhpur was named after the Princess of Amer. Nonetheless, there did exist a Rajputani queen of Jalal who refused to change her religion unlike his previous primary and secondary wives. And just how the show shows, she had a major hand in Akbar becoming more tolerant than his ancestors towards his Hindu subjects. Mariam-uz-zamani even had some strong power in the court considering she was the only begum of Akbar that was allowed to formally indulge in the royal court. Also she was an extremely smart and efficient businesswoman who managed the export of spices and several ships, including one that took pilgrims to Mecca.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: wohradhahai


ahh, I think you've misunderstood what I was meaning to say. 😳 I think Paridhi is one of the most beautiful women I've seen. I've not watched much of either PariJat off screen so I don't know how they are as people but I think Paridhi is gorgeous. I was just addressing what people said in the forum that made me mad.


--> I was generally saying this .. opposing those who say Paridhi is not beautiful .. 😆


Hahahahaha, poor Rajat! I identify with him a lot here. Maybe I don't have a problem with his speech because I myself speak very fast, both in Hindi and especially in English. 😆 It's just a thing with me. As for Jalal as a character, I think it was a pretty good touch. It just adds to the intimidating aura of a person.


-->🤣


No she was definitely not "scared" of the Mughal. She was scared of the situation. She would bravely fight many of them at a time if it came to that, even if she has to give up her life in the battle. She would consider it good fortune to go as a martyr for the freedom of her people. But yes, she was scared in a way anyone would be, the better word would be cautious. Like the say, bravery isn't in not being scared, bravery is in fighting despite being scared.


-->agreed


Jodha is a misnomer, yes. There's no mention of this name as far as I know. However, it is a name in many folklores. Jodha, as we know her, is referred to as Mariam-uz-zamani in texts across the Mughal history and literature. And as shown in the show, it is a title given to her after she birthed Salim. It means "Mary of the age" which goes in line with many Islamic and Christian texts talking about Jesus' birth. There are some speculations, with no more proof than that of Jodha being Akbar's wife, that Jodha was Jehangir's wife but like you said, they are just as shit. Jodha, many say, was the name of one of the princesses of Jodhpur. But that again is only a theory. It is totally possible that Jodhpur was named after the Princess of Amer. Nonetheless, there did exist a Rajputani queen of Jalal who refused to change her religion unlike his previous primary and secondary wives. And just how the show shows, she had a major hand in Akbar becoming more tolerant than his ancestors towards his Hindu subjects. Mariam-uz-zamani even had some strong power in the court considering she was the only begum of Akbar that was allowed to formally indulge in the royal court. Also she was an extremely smart and efficient businesswoman who managed the export of spices and several ships, including one that took pilgrims to Mecca.


-->absolutely true ... we would have known the truth .. only if Mr. Abu'l-Fazl would've given some more information about her 😆😳

Edited by awesomeava - 2 years ago
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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: wohradhahai

Once again, I am going to mention it beforehand that this is my reaction to the old, VERY OLD posts made on this forum but considering those topics are locked so it's pretty obvious why I made a new topic for it 9 years later 😆. Also I'm well aware of the fact that not a soul right now is interested in the forum, nor the post and most likely neither the show, so I'm doing it mostly for my own self because the comments are just bubbling inside me. 😆




I had seen some things being repeatedly said here. So I'll just address them. Also most of these points are not THAT important. Once again, it's just a rant session. Also most of these points constitute things before Jalal and Jodha got married.




1) Paridhi isn't beautiful:


BLEH. It is objectively untrue. She's one of the most beautiful faces I've seen. Or most people have seen in fact. I'm much of a whiner so I did whine about this part on twitter and people were in fact shell shocked to find out that there are people who thought Paridhi is not good looking, including myself. I mean, how does one even form that opinion? I could only reach one conclusion that those comments brewed from the self hate we all women have been taught in India where we run behind eurocentric features. And the constant mentions of how women who are "fair skinned with light skin and skinny" are prettier just solidified my point. I hope all the girls who said this back in the day are now more accepting of their own ethnic features today. It would be a shame if they are still judging themselves and/or other women on standards the whites decided for us even today after almost a decade.


For me, Paridhi is also one of the most beautiful faces. She is a beautiful woman who is self-aware. I love it when she wears a traditional saree. She looks great in it. I think she rests in herself and is a pure soul. I can't understand why many women don't accept their ethnic features. Every woman is beautiful and right the way she is. No one needs to be dictated an ideal of beauty. We women should believe in ourselves. As a "white" woman, I say that all people are equal. No matter what skincolour, no matter what origin...! White is not better or worse than other skincolours. Nor is someone who is thin better or worse than someone who has a little more on their ribs. Inner beauty is much more important than outer appearance. Maybe for some people it is simply envy that makes them belittle others. Unfortunately, (social) media suggests that only slim, beautiful people are successful. This causes a lot of suffering for women who do not conform to the "supposed" norm!




2) Rajat speaks too fast and low.


Now, unlike the above point, there's no objective opposition to this point because this is actually something that can be called an opinion. But personally, I absolutely loved his dialogue delivery most days. I was glad he wasn't speaking like some sort of Akbar-Birbal, Mughal-e-Azam Akbar with his voice louder than the drums and slower than a sloth all clueless or desperate to create fear. His dialogue delivery managed to create a feel of urgency and superiority which in my opinion was much needed for a young Jalal still in the process of finding a way to become a conqueror of the entire subcontinent. Jalal was arrogant, self centred, too prideful. He was a ruthless oppressor. He was feared, there was no need for him to scream his lungs out to make people fear him. His fast paced speaking also created a sense of, like I said, urgency for me. He's the emperor, he doesn't have much time for small talks so he is only used to speaking like that. And once again, he was the emperor that cut people's limbs for touching his shoes, who had the guts to tell him, "Shehenshah, speak slow be a good boy" 😆


I agree with you. He spoke quickly when it wasurgent or important for him. I can remember some scenes in the show when heexpressed his feelings to Jodha. It was important and urgent for him. That'show I understood it too. When something is important to me, I also tend tospeak quickly. But in my opinion, he did not speak too fast otherwise. His lifesessions on IG were sometimes difficult to understand.



3) Jodha was too fiery for a princess


Ahhhhh the take that has managed to annoy me the most. Reading all those discussions had me wanting to scream in the void. First of all, she was a rajputani princess. The community of women famous for jumping into the pits of fire to protect their honor from any invaders that wanted to have them. How do you say they were anything but fiery? It was established from the very beginning that she wasn't a rule follower. I do not understand why did people expect her to be princessy all the time, especially when she was getting married to her people's oppressor and her biggest enemy against her will. Calling what she did "tantrums" just felt very sexist to me, a dismissive way of reacting to female rage. She was allowed to be angry, in fact she was allowed to be furious. Anyone would be, all the graceful princesses included. And especially Jodha, who was not much a princess anyway as established from the first episode. She was no one interested in dolls and jewels, she had one goal in her mind. Jalal ka sar.


She was not fiery enough for me! There were so many situations where she endured everything silently! She was humiliated because of her origin and her religion and blamed for things she did not do. And never did she openly stand up against these humiliations etc. No one helped her. A princess in those times was expected to submit and obey her husband (unfortunately not only in those times). Why should she not be angry and feel hatred when she was married against her will to the oppressor of her people?



3) Oh, the infamous "Jalal ka sarr" 😆

I see it became quite a topic on the forum. People found it annoying. Now I don't know if it's just my own hate for that gender or my rage to imperialists, but it was one thing that attracted me to Jodha as a character. She was someone who couldn't see a bird hurt and would go running bare-headed out of the palace to tend to an injured pigeon, forgetting all the rules of a princess and a woman for that matter. That was her kindness. And in such a kind heart, there was a hate so big, so cruel for someone. That intrigued me. It was one of the highlights of that character for me. A woman who was capable enough to hate passionately, a rare specimen in ITV. And unlike how people said that her hate was unjustified, it wasn't. Another place where I wanted to scream. How is her hate unjustified for the invader of her land, who sends people to loot her subjects, her temples, her Devi maa? How's her hate unjustified for the oppressors who looked at her best friend like a piece of meat and abducted her, her poor best friend left with no option than try to immolate herself? How is her hate unjustified for the invaders that are killing her people, forcing them convert from their roots? All the "she's a princess, she shouldn't behave like this" sounded much hollow to me now when people forgot that being a princess does not only mean to be calm, poised and classy. It also means having a responsibility towards your people. It takes me 0.007 seconds to hate a man who thinks of women any less than their absolute equal, how could she not hate a man who treated her subjects worse than animals killed for meat? So, I was always cheering for Jodha's blood-thirst for Jalal. I mean, the m!sansdrist in me loved it hehe.


Her hatred was more than justified! An invader who oppressed her people, looted temples and committed many other atrocities. I could absolutely understand their hatred. I was impressed by her pride, which she was always and again accused of and which Jalal always wanted to break. He absolutely did not understand the Rajputs in the beginning. In the show, only Jodha helped him to be accepted by the people. The more he understood, the more her hatred crumbled. She stood for her own sake, for her people, women and the weak und has not allowed herself to be bent. A strong women!


4) Why was Jodha scared of Jalal if she hated him so violently?


Ah, I'm gonna make a lot of pro-jodha points because the forum seemed to do all the excusing for Jalal itself, leaving nothing for me to say. Jodha being scared of the Mughals while also keeping the hate she felt for them has nothing to do with her being a hypocrite, or scaredy cat for that matter. It's okay to be scared. She knew the power they held. She wasn't scared to fight if it came to that but that didn't mean she wasn't scared of what they were capable of. People really do love to dismiss female emotions and looking at them single dimensionally. It's okay for women to have layers. It's a character, not a caricature.


Agree completely


5) And finally, the Mughals weren't that bad


Um.. I don't think you all understand how invasions work. There are documented works of what Mughals did to our people from themselves and from their victims. So unfortunately, they were actually that bad. While the show was highly fictionalized, it was one thing I appreciated in it. They showed a close to reality depiction of what the foreign invaders did in India. At least for the first few months.


I guess, like all invaders, the Mughals brought much suffering to Hindustan. They were descended from the Mongols, who were famous for their cruelty. They ruthlessly invaded a country and subjugated it by force. Forcibly imposed their rule on the people, suppressed their religion. I don't think we can imagine what that must have been like for people back then.The show made me interested in learning more about that time and I started researching. Akbar was glorified by Abu'l-Fazl in Akbarnama. But who would cast his emperor in a bad light when writing his memoirs? Badayunis Tarikh-i-badayuni was much more critical of Akbar. What it was actually like? We probably won't know...


These are not all the points that pissed me off, there are maaaanyyy more but I guess I will keep coming back to this as I keep reading more into the forum. smiley36 This post has become to big I see. Kaash itni mehnat apni job mein kar leti main. 😆


Here are some notes from me in blue 😃

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Originally posted by: wohradhahai

Oh, one more.


I also didn't understand the hate for Ruqaiya. I mean of course I get why would people dislike her actions and be annoyed by them. I was too. But I didn't like how she got no benefit of doubt at all, which Jalal did. While her actions weren't justified, they made sense. (I'm totally excluding the parts of Salim here) What did poor Ruqaiya had left? Unlike today, she couldn't also walk out of a loveless marriage to start a new life. She could either accept her fate or fight for what she wanted. She chose to do the latter in her own twisted way.


Every series needs a villain. She was one of them. Basically, her character in the show was a poor soul whose love remained unrequited. As you write, she didn't have the opportunity to break out of that marriage, that situation. Her jealousy made her do things that were not justified. But really, who can blame her? She couldn't face "losing" and chose to fight.

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