GHKPM WU & Episode Daily Discussion #63 - Page 16

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Yes I too see that they will shut down after 1000 episodes or 2 years. SaiRat are made such that if their MUs are cleared, it is hard to keep them separate. May be ujjanpur track will be played where virat will win them back. Pakhi is redeemed. May be a small track of misunderstanding that they are getting married but she will move on. One more small track of showing girl kid is as much chirag as the boy kid.

What else they have? They should close the show without any hurry and spoiling the plot and when SaiRat are still being loved.

Originally posted by: Sherry24

Thank you for taking up my rant. But it is very disturbing. Sai is not immune to pain and heartbreak. Yet she is made to go through it. And I agree to all that you wrote. It is satisfying😊

And most importantly as you said, why would you risk the kids in all the mess. They may not be able to voice it out or speak for themselves, but they will suffer due to V’s actions. So the question again is P above all this? Even an infant child?

Virat is not putting Pakhi above all, in his POV. He thinks Sai is not trusting him, being by his side while he is uplifting a woman who was wronged by circumstances. Thats why he gets pissed off if Sai doesnt give time for him to clean up the mess. He will ignore Sai's pain because he thinks she has him by her side to share her worries. His usage of 'HUM" in everything suggests that. He wants them to be a team. :D Typical savior man.

If anything goes wrong, they will blame the wife saying I was doing samaj seva. Here Pakhi is a wronged woman, widow of his brother etc. etc. He would turn upsdie down to help her. Not as his ex, . Even if he knows Pakhi had wrong intentions on him back then, and now she will say she changed, he will melt again. He has no objective look towards Pakhi. And virat believes that people change...that is his wiring. What to do now? These kind of people will cause trouble at home.

Pakhi above all these? Yes it will look like that but Virat didnt plan that it will go this way. He counts on Sai while taking all his decisions. But how much can a wife take his crap! especially if his actions are wronging the children?

Thats why I am thinking Pakhi should redeem now, seeing virat lose everything to stand by her!! Otherwise she is not human at all...

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

Whether we like it or not the show is one of the successful shows of SP . They won’t shut down soon hence they brought kids early one so they can plan for generation leap . If this separation track doesn’t fetch them the trps they will show generation leap and the stage for leap is already set with two kids with two different mothers and different upbringing. If one of the actors put papers then they accelerate this

I meant, they will shut SaiRat and move on to another story

I see a Gen leap after this track. Where the 2 kids will grow up with different upbringing and cross paths. Thats how this will go. Dont think they will end this in a happy note

As things stand if Sai leaves after V puts PP first and gives baby to PP in a manner that Sai cannot get his custody then Sai should NEVER return to be with him as a wife. She can always "love" him because that isnt in her hands but never again should she trust or respect him enough to return. He can be in Savi's life because Savi deserves to atleast know her father but not in hers. It'd probably be easier to forgive him if he had only committed physical infidelity even - like meaningless sex with a stranger when he was drunk or something than to forgive this- him mistrusting and abandoning her on a matter related to their baby. Sai has already told him what Vinu means to her. This was their baby. He cannot just handover that child to a supposedly mentally ill suicidal lunatic and say it is just to support a family member when she is depressed. she needs to be institutionalized and this whole 2 mom thing needs to STOP. PP is not a MOM! Period. And he has no right to bail pp out which has been confirmed in the spoilers, when Sai has clearly taken that step for a reason. PP has parents to bail her out too. who the F is he?! He need not interfere in the proceedings of the case filed by Sai against her, but we know he is going to. likely he will go as far as fabricating evidence to help pp get acquitted or figuring out loopholes to protect pp from punishment. so essentially he is not just supporting his "friend/family" but completely disregarding his wife. If she has chosen to file a case against the woman she was hugging and thanking for giving her a baby, she is doing so for a reason. Sai is NOT stupid to be doubting PP for no reason at all other than just "prejeudice"!

Originally posted by: Sherry24

There are a few things that I ethically and morally feel incorrect. But then when has Ghum really considered any of it.

As per promo Sai and P have a kid each with them. It is V, whose whereabouts are uncertain.

Now I agree the promo can be misleading. So could this be P’s delusion? And she is in asylum where she keeps dreaming about a life like this?

Could this be a parallel families being supported by V, where Sai is no longer in a spousal equation with V, but she lets him be with their daughter?

There is a possibility of a leap which we will know of later. If they consciously got a younger girl to play the daughter it has to tied up. They may end Sat episode at some crossroads or cliffhanger and Monday they will jump to the bigger leap. The suspense of the changed equations will be revealed in a flashback referring which will constitute the mini leap a lil later.

I wouldn’t say that I don’t see this happening, but there is something which is disturbing me here. SH track Sai was eventually blamed and if this happens she will be blamed again. They have crossed that stage of trust. This is something else. About individual thoughts and views.

I know we have had these discussions before about husband and wife bearing the repercussions together for the deeds of one. And I completely agree as they are one unit. But it is unfair to always expect the wife to sacrifice because the husband decides so. They make decisions on each other’s behalf. But they cannot snatch away their rights. That’s unacceptable. V has done that repeatedly. He promises her his support and then himself snatches it away from her. Is that not betrayal? He took away the right with illegal surrogacy after promising to go by her choice. Now after reassuring her at every step that it is their baby, he will give him to P to raise. Is that fair to a mother? Even now with the ask of P raising the baby, it is Sai’s right that he is snatching away from her. Who is losing? V will have full access unlike Sai? A marriage along with partnership requires equality and respect. Just because Sai is stronger he was not by her side when she suffered a miscarriage. Is that her fault. Now because P is attempting suicide he will give the baby to P. Wife is also an individual, a human being who feels pain, and he has no right to put her through all this just because he wants to do justice to someone else or lessen someone else’s pain.

Tomorrow we will have that scene where V give the baby to P. Sai will be standing there witnessing this. Is it right to do injustice to one just because she is the spouse and is emotionally stronger?

I deviated from the post. But it was kind of pinching me since long. Where is V’s punishment for all that he did? He will eventually come out as someone who sacrificed and Sai will again be called out.

The family is seeing P’s state because she gave them the baby. Everyone is sympathetic towards her. V will try to justify his act to Sai. But is it fair to her?

In his defence, if we look at V’s actions he is just being sympathetic and considerate about P’s situation. He is not aware of P’s evil plans. But in all this why should Sai be the one to apologise eventually. If she leaves it will be because of his actions. It is not because she doesn’t trust him.
He has wronged her repeatedly and never apologised for it. And yet he comes out shining.

Exactly!

For highlighted part- I want to add one more point. Sai fought her best to not make Pakhi surrogate in her best ability. It was so clear that Pakhi pushed her self into this situation and no one thinks of that.

Sai even asked her to sign documents and what not, she denied it all instead she ended up being away from fetus. If you consider everything what Sai suffered is unbelievable!
i saw no team work just one person by anger n emotional manipulation making her do what he wanted.
Virat keeping her away to a point that she couldn’t be with fetus in his presence was not fair.

In general-
I dont see Shruti track was about establishing trust- I disagree. Demanding trust in relationship is fair but blind trust- No. And to a point that the person who had fair doubt for situation in front if them is abused brutally is not how trust works.Trust is earned not demanded.

Infact makers have used it in a bad way to show Sai accept everything Virat does in name on love. It looks like she stopped questioning him as if she is scared of living that hell again after what she was put through. And Virat is now miss using that .

Originally posted by: sadiltl

More than anyone, I want the CN wasis to suffer for their crassness, regressive behavior and support of hypocrisy.

They should not get 2nd gen chirag as well as 3rd gen chirag. Both should be missing from their lives..virat and vinu. Lakshmi of the house, who brought forture and smiles, Sai should leave and put them in utter distress. All those 5/7 years they should remember how they let the infestation called Pakhi breed in front of their eyes.

They should not get to see anyone of Virat's family for these years. Chirag chirag bolke sab ka jeena haraam kar diya hain BK ne.

On the other hand the actual chirag SaiRat’s daughter never takes their surname . They will be deprived of spending time with their grand daughter. It’s a karma to Virat where he has to sacrifice his only kid and accept some other man raising his daughter and having rights on her . It’s similar to what he wants from Sai .

Yesterday when BK was again demanding sai give the child I was like who are you guys even to talk like this? Sai has become so patient. Older sai would have packed her bags and leave. But that’s how good people think! They can’t believe that pakhi can fall so low again so soon! It doesn’t occur to them naturally. that’s where pakhi takes advantage of sai and virat.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Virat is not putting Pakhi above all, in his POV. He thinks Sai is not trusting him, being by his side while he is uplifting a woman who was wronged by circumstances. Thats why he gets pissed off if Sai doesnt give time for him to clean up the mess. He will ignore Sai's pain because he thinks she has him by her side to share her worries. His usage of 'HUM" in everything suggests that. He wants them to be a team. :D Typical savior man.

If anything goes wrong, they will blame the wife saying I was doing samaj seva. Here Pakhi is a wronged woman, widow of his brother etc. etc. He would turn upsdie down to help her. Not as his ex, . Even if he knows Pakhi had wrong intentions on him back then, and now she will say she changed, he will melt again. He has no objective look towards Pakhi. And virat believes that people change...that is his wiring. What to do now? These kind of people will cause trouble at home.

Pakhi above all these? Yes it will look like that but Virat didnt plan that it will go this way. He counts on Sai while taking all his decisions. But how much can a wife take his crap! especially if his actions are wronging the children?

Thats why I am thinking Pakhi should redeem now, seeing virat lose everything to stand by her!! Otherwise she is not human at all...

That’s where the problem lies. His thinking and his views. He just thinks he knows it all. In his view he is only thinking about P. He is not even taking into account the collateral damage at its expense.
I agree if we look this from V’s lenses he is doing right, by supporting his SIL. He has no other feelings and he is not doubting P for any.
But through this he should learn that he is not always right nor are his judgements. And definitely not his way of handling things. He has this tendency of delaying things in a way avoiding them. But he doesn’t realise how much more grave these situations can turn out to be.
Sai has forgiven and ignored a lot in all the years. But this is about her child. And the game changes here. She is not a DIL or wife… she is a mother. And she will definitely not take such warning signs in waiting. She will react.
P redeeming is secondary. It is V who needs to get his act together for putting his family through this for such a woman.
I kind of detest such people as I have first hand experience. So it irks me to a different level. Their psychology is very twisted.

if V looked back now he'd see what Sai has been through

1. Sai said NO to pp being surrogate from the get go. She was not mentally, physically or legally fit

2. Sai wanted papers signed to make sure it was clear who the parents were

But everything was done against her wishes and now they want Sai to be all "understanding" and give away her baby to the surrogate to raise. not even just to spend more time because baby makes her happy. everyone wants PP to be mother! c'mon

Even if we all accept PP is truly mentally ill and depressed and everyone is sorry for her, is the cure to this - to further support her delusions or to get her treated?! he can be supportive by ensuring PP goes to live with HER Parents- no one cares for a child like parents, get her a 24 hour nurse, accompany her to every psych appointment, give her meds and find her another outlet. a hobby or a pet or something! since when is the cure for depression handing over a baby to take care of, especially when she is frickin suicidal.

Is she safe to handle a child when she just tried to take her life

Why would Sai hand over her baby to a suicidal lunatic?!

It was PP who claimed she was mahaan and was keen to give the child to Sai and V

the whole reason this surrogacy happened was because Sai has NO way of being a mother. (until later when miracle happens). but as of now Sai is in the crude words- baanjh- infertile.

So pp still has the option to have a a baby with another man, get married to another guy, shes still young enough....and if all she wanted was just to be kaku to the child, Sai would be cool with it. Sai herself said she can be a mother LIKE figure to the baby

V may be selfless about his own comfort etc when it comes to helping others since he is oh so "mahaan" and "righteous" but why should Sai pay the price?! why should a child suffer?! and if Sai doesnt agree with him what gives him the right to assume she is wrong and defy her. if he expects her trust and support can he ever think that she may expect the same from him.

He takes unilateral STUPID deicsions and doesnt have the audacity to man up and say sorry for it, rather he screws up some more. and then make Sai the villain and himself the victim.

I'm certain he is going to blame Sai for leaving him and Vinu. He is just that selfish and pathetic