Siddhanth Kapoor detained by Police for allegedly consuming drugs - Page 18

Originally posted by: naaznin

Drug abuse is because its in supply. So rather than raiding these parties govt should focus on not drugs entering borders.

Without drugs too such crimes happen. It's about individual not drugs

That's also being done and is in news too..but xyz celebs in BW get more attention than those..

https://www.indiaforums.com/article/siddhanth-kapoor-listed-as-fifth-accused-in-the-police-fir-two-suspicious-contraband-found_188299

Originally posted by: AdrakKombucha

One small correction. At almost 33 crores, USA is the THIRD most populous country after China and India! So it can never be equal to any Indian state. 😆

Btw I'm with you on this - e.g. USA is undergoing a severe opioid crisis. It's a parent's worst nightmare to think their kids would be addicted! We need to double down on crushing this epidemic rather than encouraging drug use.

@bold — you are right. I meant as an example. Not exact numbers match but I was just making population comparison.

Drug is a menace. And it has reached Indian metro cities in every state. Next would be 2-tier cities. Nipping in the bud is long gone but whatever is left, it shouldn’t be a chalta hai attitude. Sab karte hai. Sab karenge. Say no to drugs.

Originally posted by: naaznin

Drug abuse is because its in supply. So rather than raiding these parties govt should focus on not drugs entering borders.

Without drugs too such crimes happen. It's about individual not drugs

@bold it is too late now... India is not a small country, with its huge population and considering many other factors, first government need to control its supply...

I never said crimes stop with drugs ride .. but they can atleast stop some innocents getting into the addiction

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

That the youths of India are any less fcuked up than the youths of America is another myth I don't believe in. Sorry! I have hung out with enough "youths" of India who came here to do their Masters and went back home after finishing ... or flunking out, whichever. I was more scandalized by their lifestyle and they were from India and only here temporarily. Some were doing coke every other day, and were addicted to it -- it was a habit they picked up back home. Whereas some people on this forum start clutching their "sanskaari" pearls the moment a celebrity is arrested for being seen with someone who might or might not have consumed drugs/pot. You can't generalize Indians either -- but people from India should know that already and an "ABCD" like me shouldn't have to spell that one out.

I'll let the rest of the members argue about rehab, etc. cuz I'm not the one who introduced that idea. Even decriminalization is not something I've thought about seriously but if someone makes sense in their posts and I'm sold on their ideas, I hit likes on them, that's all.

Anyways, I also apologize for my posts. Aapko maaf kiya for all the personal attacks, they were totally uncalled for but it's not everyday someone apologizes for their comments here and for that reason alone, I hold no grudges. Oh, do make sure to treat your lil ones with respect cuz I certainly remember what my mother was saying to me all the way back to when I was 3. 😆

@bold — I never say Indian youth is better than American. Samskar ki baat humne ki hi nahi hai.

We are discussing drugs. So in that context I said, American youth has been fcked up by drugs. It hasn’t reached to the same level in India yet. That’s all I am comparing against.

Rest for sanskar discussion, I am never available coz I don’t get involved in that discussion. I am not sanskari by Indian standards, so who am I to give that label to anyone!!

Oh my kids are!! What you are suggesting is not my parenting style. Ki India mein teri cousin yeh karti hai Aur Tu nai. Lol. I know what that cousin is upto. 😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

In the same vein, why not criminalize premarital sex? Or clubs? Or even just genders mixing?

Or steroids? They're medicinal but cause rage.

Edited to add: which states have made alcohol illegal and what's the underground consumption? Because that's all you're going to achieve by making it illegal.

its a question of tradeoffs- benefits vs costs. Most things in life are that way. Of course some people wont get that- they hold on to their rigid thinking and think everything is 2 plus 2 and it's all or nothing. Now in case you didn't comprehend that, let's elaborate- for the cases you cited above, the benefits seem to outweigh costs in most societies which is why they are legal. Of course, some of these activities might be illegal in the middle east and might get the participants whipped, but the point remains- every society weighs tradeoffs... at least the sensible ones. Hope you got that and we dont have any more of the all-or-nothing kind of absurd analogies. 😆

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

That the youths of India are any less fcuked up than the youths of America is another myth I don't believe in. Sorry! I have hung out with enough "youths" of India who came here to do their Masters and went back home after finishing ... or flunking out, whichever. I was more scandalized by their lifestyle and they were from India and only here temporarily. Some were doing coke every other day, and were addicted to it -- it was a habit they picked up back home.

You do realise how small of a sample size that is for you to draw conclusions about India's youth? You are quite literally equating the SoBo kinda kids who go for masters' in the US to the entirely of young population in India lmao. Masters in US is a lot expensive compared to Europe and mostly affluent kids (read: spoilt rich SoBo) go for them. They are accustomed to a certain kind of life which they continue to lead wherever they go. The rest scrape through to masters abroad either on scholarships or hefty loans taken back home. And they don't have the time or the resources to indulge in consumption of drugs. The ground reality is far different than what IF or a sub section of youths you hung out with would have you believe. While you're out here asking others to not to generalize opinions as an ABCD, you're doing the same with limited info.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

Every time there’s a drug discussion, lot of members start, sab log drugs karte hai. What’s the big deal. Decriminalize it. Provide rehabilitation.

I cannot speak for everyone. I don't think everyone does drugs. I don't think it's not a big deal. And I don't advocate for decriminalization because everyone does drugs and it's fine. We perhaps even agree on many aspects of drug usage like - drugs are dangerous and can cause life-threatening illnesses and even death, drug addiction is a terrible thing that can tear families apart and ruin people's lives, parental drug use can cause rare birth defects, physical deformities, and learning disabilities in children, and yes drugs do lead to violent crime in many instances.

The reason I advocate for decriminalization is that the war on drugs has failed in preventing these very things we find problematic in drugs. In fact, it has exacerbated many of these exact concerns people have about drugs. Many laws and policies are based on outdated and often racist perceptions of drug use. (Poor people using street drugs are a problem but pill-popping suburban moms mixing wine and Xanax are harmless.

- Drugs are unique chemicals. Each with its own properties. Each causes a different metabolic reaction in the human body. Each has a different level of dangerousness and addiction. Legislation should be based on chemical properties. This is why I believe marijuana and most hallucinogens should be legalized.

- Cocaine, Meth, Heroin and most other hard drugs that are chemically both addictive and toxic should remain illicit. Decriminalization doesn't mean it is fine to use them. Decriminalization means reshaping priorities and redirecting resources to be more sensible and affecting. The War on Drugs hasn't reconnected families, fixed financial woes, saved children from addicted parents, or prevented drug-related violent crime. Obviously, decriminalization is not a magic pill that will fix everything overnight. But it does attempt to prevent and minimize the effects of addiction.

- The war on drugs perpetuated a myth that drugs are a youth party problem or a low-income/people of color nefarious problem. Addiction is highest in older people and disabled communities due to the inability and lack of support to cope with pain. Today the opioid epidemic impacts mostly middle-class middle-aged people all over. So many children die or get injured because their parents are functional addicts frequently mixing prescription pills and alcohol - but it gets ignored because of the myth of nice safe suburbia. Professionals in high-demand/high-stress fields are the most likely to use stimulants like cocaine and meth. We need to rewrite the narrative on who uses drugs and how they get addicted.

I may not convince you and we may continue to strongly disagree. But its fine because I think the end goal is the same - safe healthy families and communities.