Meethi & Imlie -- two hearts in two separate worlds

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* @krishnasourav -- I saw all your tags yesterday but I was feeling rather zapped from the heat. Plus, I wanted to see the episode to get the full gist. So from many of the twitter feeds you had shared, there were questions on why Imlie is not seeing the value of Meethi and whether Meethi did what was right. Anyway, thought I will just make a separate post because there is actually a lot to discuss if people are interested.....


Imlie valuing the T family above Meethi?

I was reminded of this whatsapp forward I got during the lockdown and it was shared by multiple people I knew. It is from a Bangalore based psychologist and it is a super practical video on why children shouldn't be pampered and the second video is about how to teach your children gratitude. His videos are really good because they are centered around the Indian context and the issues that we face. Both are only 5-7 minutes long or so.

https://youtu.be/Jiv2R2gyuYE

https://youtu.be/kmiC24Q1xeg


From the video, "Unless they actually know the cost you are paying for their lives, unless they can look at your difficulties from your perspective, they won't understand the depth of what you are going through for them" -- this is a problem for many Indian parents because they don't share.

Meethi keeps saying that she is an illiterate woman and she downplays the efforts she took to bring up Imlie. Aryan as a business leader who values hard work in his employees is able to grasp the effort she took and therefore sees her as someone valuable. Now, has Meethi told Imlie of all that she has done? So there is a lesson in that if children are not taught the value of what they have been given, they will take the parent for granted. They will bristle when the parent puts boundaries and asks for something -- that is what happened here. Meethi initially tried to reason with Imlie about why Aryan is a good match for her. When Imlie refuses to listen, she puts down the law and Imlie sees it as betrayal. The question that arises is this the first time that Meethi put boundaries and asked Imlie for something?

The other dynamic to consider is how much of a child Imlie was. There is this term about delayed teenager rebellion -- basically adults who never were problem kids start acting out almost like teenagers far later into their adulthood. Now there are several things that go into it -- it could be the child was forced to be an adult too soon because of responsibilites. Sometimes it could be life's bitter lessons like addiction issues at home or economic issues and other family problems. Basically, rather than the child being the child, the child is in some ways treated like an adult (or forced to be one) -- this means the equation between the parent and child is a bit lopsided. Rather than the parent being on top and child being on bottom, it is either equal or reverse. In some ways, that is what has happened -- this results in Imlie who is some ways super mature but also super immature. Basically she is having a delayed teenager rebellion.

In one earlier episode, she said something about she felt like she had family for the first time with the Tripathy house. That sounded absurd but maybe what she was conveying was that she was in a relationship where she was the child and they were all adults. Now, she is still trying to save them and all but basically, it is a top down kind of relationship and maybe something she craved. It is also possible that she is enamoured with them because they are educated and all the things she had wished her family was. So she idealized them and want to be a part of them.


Meethi vs Imlie conflict?

So I see a more complex picture here on why Imlie got upset. By Meethi calling it "debt", she reminded Imlie of the enormous losses that she had to endure as an unwed mother. Meethi had always assured her that Imlie was a blessing and therefore not a burden. It is why Imlie reacts with such hurt. The other reason is what I posted above.

The other part of the conflict is the questions it raises. All over Asia, we strongly believe in this concept of filial piety -- but at what point do we honour and respect our parents and what point do we live our lives? Depending on how you feel and what your experiences were, you might get upset that Meethi strongarmed Imlie into getting married to man that she picked. The other side is how far will you go to prevent your loved ones from being stupid -- as many would say that part of being a parent is being a villain at times. If you child cannot see reason, then do you lay down the boundaries and take the hit?

The last question this scenes raises is the transition to a parent-adult child relationship. This is something that many Indian families struggle with and fail. There is this movie where the opening line says this -- "when your child is two and you are holding their hand to help them walk, it is fine. but when they are 25, can you still be holding their hand?" Basicallly Indian parents are overinvolved to the point that they are not able to see the child has grown up and therefore the equation has to change. While this happens, there will be plenty of arguments and teething issues. Both sides need to see each other as human and accept each other. Both sides need to learn about who they are as individuals and what their world views are. Meethi-Imlie conflict fits right in with that -- Imlie had this vision of her mother from as a child -- someone who pampered her and thought the world of her -- but Imlie didn't understand or see that Meethi has her own views, she is her own person. Meethi is capable of making decisions and drawing conclusions about people. Now, they will have to rebuild the relationship not as parent-child (teenager) but as parent-adult child.


So I know that we apparently have a rather cute episode airing today but feel free to post your thoughts and what we can take away in terms of real world learning as well as within the drama

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Tagging more people --

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Let me phrase it too from my point if view, from last 1 year this girl has never thought her own village home as the base of her origin. Just look how she called Meethi when Aditya made her sign the divorce papers. But what she said was Amma don't come, how will I provide for you when I am living off in other's kindness. That episode I realized the gap between Imlie and Meethi, she considers Meethi her amma but not a spot where she can run off if she have any problem. She is just a 19 year old but she didn't ask for help from her mom to solve her problems as she knew she will not get an answer that can actually solve it. What bugged me she didn't even need her advice but just a support in the form of words.

Right now she feels detached, very detached from Meethi. While Tripathis stayed in front of her and tried their best to stand for her, for example the actress interview case or every time Adi misbehaved. She saw those things from her eyes when her mom was in the backseat whose facial expressions were also not much available to her.

The reason why she didn't understand Meethi's intentions for her was the gap between them and how she put people on pedestals. Right now for her immediate past she was only a moral support with words there were no actions much involved and hence she presumed that her mom is not seeing things correctly as she was not there to see what happened in her life. She is thinking since she judged wrongly she is just ruining her life by giving conditions. She never faced her share of struggles or protected her from problems. Hence rebel is not okay to term it but there is a big distance between this pair of mom and daughter.

She feels Meethi more as a support than a mother who can advice or control her.

So the gap between Meethi & Imlie was filled by Tripathis from the last 1.5 years which got her deluded that Meethi also don't care for her happiness but only her right as a birth mother.😵

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Posted: 3 years ago
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"She feels Meethi more as a support than a mother who can advice or control her."


spot on! I wonder how much is it because Meethi had a tough time following Imlie's problems when they talked. I mean if this drama happened in real life, I would have a tough time figuring out how to respond as well. 😂

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Originally posted by: mango.falooda

"She feels Meethi more as a support than a mother who can advice or control her."


spot on! I wonder how much is it because Meethi had a tough time following Imlie's problems when they talked. I mean if this drama happened in real life, I would have a tough time figuring out how to respond as well. 😂


So true I would have felt numb if I would have seen such drama in front of my eyes.🥱

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first v beautiful writing n v nice video i hv seen before this video.

i dnt know if u write as experience of a mom urself but child can only understand parent when they have child of their own n tht is biggest truth in world. imlie will understand one day why mitthi force her today n she will also regret talking like tht to her amma. anyway mitthidnt say anything wrong. every child got mom ka karz u can nevr give n even if mom say in anger about it mom will never take anything from child for that kaz anyway

i hv not watched show since starting so i dont know wht they show about mitthi n imlie (n SK) snce start but i feel SK made imlie this dahade wali khookhare wali ladki like she call herself n she go to mitthi only when she need word of support (like MiuniS saying) cos she only seen talking with mitthi on phone to get comfort only. she never ask mitthi for any help unlss it about babusahab lost in PD. i think SK n mitthi nvr had any thing less for living. they r not shown very poor who dont have food or struggle for things (m saying what i saw from 310 epi) so imlie dont know value of hardowrk tht mitthi put to make her life. like u say aryan know value of hardwork n how much struggle to make money n give life to children. wht u write abt children-parent conflict is also correct n it happen not only in teenage but since birth n at many stage in growing. even small child from age of 1 start want to be idependent, then when they become 3 yr old they think they independent n many time they dont understand who has authority n they wnt to make decision but at that tiem cos they r 3 yr old no one question parent if they force them to do or not do sthng so tht the child is not in danger. v can talk abt any age but for a parent, child alwyas remain child. i m mom but my mom think i am a child she still feel she want to protect me always n i know why she feel that. if we say in marriage issue there r many parent who want full control on child life for many reason of their own izzat n other such thing but there r many parent who allow child to take decision n marry (love) person of their choice but if something goes wrong then the parent get protective n it is natural feeling. i am totally meethi side cos she did best for imlie cos mitthi also seen imlie madness in PD after all the pain AKT give her n then giving full money for loan but that time also mitthi didnt stop her from giving money cos she allow her to make decision. she say ok u give u want to but not all. think of urself. so till mitthi see that imlie is thinking of herself mitthi will not stop her from doing good for T. but mitthi willnot stay quiet if imlie going to destroy her life. no mom will n it dont matter how old child is.

imlie cant understnad mitthi cos she only know mitthi emotional struggle cos dev left her but she dont know (maybe) how mitthi struggle in life to make her study n why mitthi want her to dream big why mitthi dont want her to live lfe of 'second woman' (imlie is second woman for AKT, whether anyone like or not cos malini ws his first choice n still his wife) cos mitthi not yet given her tht truth talk i thik (dont know about prev epi) so like for parent child doesnt become big, for child also at any age to hear harsh word in anger frm parent is always very hurting. imlie is angry n she say u r not my amma but she know amma is only one for her.actually her conflict with mitthi is cos she dont have answer from aryan to her Q. when her anger with aryan become less she will talk to mitthi also n better say sorry. aryan ws right mera gussa amma pe mat uratro but all kids do that. mom always taken for granted. always.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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That's a great analysis...

I've nothing to add, i agree all the points you raised here.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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I don’t think you’re wrong I just Don’t think the writers are that smart and they just needed someone to make a villain

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Posted: 3 years ago
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beautiful post

exactly space, equality ,understanding, gratitude ,sacrifice, struggle ,these r key words between parenting, child

indeed too much pampering can cause harm

n before the time if someone turns adult or has to behave like an adult will affect them in future

thanks for the tag

Edited by KrishnaSourav - 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango.falooda

* @krishnasourav -- I saw all your tags yesterday but I was feeling rather zapped from the heat. Plus, I wanted to see the episode to get the full gist. So from many of the twitter feeds you had shared, there were questions on why Imlie is not seeing the value of Meethi and whether Meethi did what was right. Anyway, thought I will just make a separate post because there is actually a lot to discuss if people are interested.....


Imlie valuing the T family above Meethi?

I was reminded of this whatsapp forward I got during the lockdown and it was shared by multiple people I knew. It is from a Bangalore based psychologist and it is a super practical video on why children shouldn't be pampered and the second video is about how to teach your children gratitude. His videos are really good because they are centered around the Indian context and the issues that we face. Both are only 5-7 minutes long or so.

https://youtu.be/Jiv2R2gyuYE

https://youtu.be/kmiC24Q1xeg


From the video, "Unless they actually know the cost you are paying for their lives, unless they can look at your difficulties from your perspective, they won't understand the depth of what you are going through for them" -- this is a problem for many Indian parents because they don't share.

Meethi keeps saying that she is an illiterate woman and she downplays the efforts she took to bring up Imlie. Aryan as a business leader who values hard work in his employees is able to grasp the effort she took and therefore sees her as someone valuable. Now, has Meethi told Imlie of all that she has done? So there is a lesson in that if children are not taught the value of what they have been given, they will take the parent for granted. They will bristle when the parent puts boundaries and asks for something -- that is what happened here. Meethi initially tried to reason with Imlie about why Aryan is a good match for her. When Imlie refuses to listen, she puts down the law and Imlie sees it as betrayal. The question that arises is this the first time that Meethi put boundaries and asked Imlie for something?

The other dynamic to consider is how much of a child Imlie was. There is this term about delayed teenager rebellion -- basically adults who never were problem kids start acting out almost like teenagers far later into their adulthood. Now there are several things that go into it -- it could be the child was forced to be an adult too soon because of responsibilites. Sometimes it could be life's bitter lessons like addiction issues at home or economic issues and other family problems. Basically, rather than the child being the child, the child is in some ways treated like an adult (or forced to be one) -- this means the equation between the parent and child is a bit lopsided. Rather than the parent being on top and child being on bottom, it is either equal or reverse. In some ways, that is what has happened -- this results in Imlie who is some ways super mature but also super immature. Basically she is having a delayed teenager rebellion.

In one earlier episode, she said something about she felt like she had family for the first time with the Tripathy house. That sounded absurd but maybe what she was conveying was that she was in a relationship where she was the child and they were all adults. Now, she is still trying to save them and all but basically, it is a top down kind of relationship and maybe something she craved. It is also possible that she is enamoured with them because they are educated and all the things she had wished her family was. So she idealized them and want to be a part of them.


Meethi vs Imlie conflict?

So I see a more complex picture here on why Imlie got upset. By Meethi calling it "debt", she reminded Imlie of the enormous losses that she had to endure as an unwed mother. Meethi had always assured her that Imlie was a blessing and therefore not a burden. It is why Imlie reacts with such hurt. The other reason is what I posted above.

The other part of the conflict is the questions it raises. All over Asia, we strongly believe in this concept of filial piety -- but at what point do we honour and respect our parents and what point do we live our lives? Depending on how you feel and what your experiences were, you might get upset that Meethi strongarmed Imlie into getting married to man that she picked. The other side is how far will you go to prevent your loved ones from being stupid -- as many would say that part of being a parent is being a villain at times. If you child cannot see reason, then do you lay down the boundaries and take the hit?

The last question this scenes raises is the transition to a parent-adult child relationship. This is something that many Indian families struggle with and fail. There is this movie where the opening line says this -- "when your child is two and you are holding their hand to help them walk, it is fine. but when they are 25, can you still be holding their hand?" Basicallly Indian parents are overinvolved to the point that they are not able to see the child has grown up and therefore the equation has to change. While this happens, there will be plenty of arguments and teething issues. Both sides need to see each other as human and accept each other. Both sides need to learn about who they are as individuals and what their world views are. Meethi-Imlie conflict fits right in with that -- Imlie had this vision of her mother from as a child -- someone who pampered her and thought the world of her -- but Imlie didn't understand or see that Meethi has her own views, she is her own person. Meethi is capable of making decisions and drawing conclusions about people. Now, they will have to rebuild the relationship not as parent-child (teenager) but as parent-adult child.


So I know that we apparently have a rather cute episode airing today but feel free to post your thoughts and what we can take away in terms of real world learning as well as within the drama

This entire post is brilliant. Thank you for writing and sharing. I empathize with all the points you’ve raised here and think quite similarly about the current situation Meethi-Imlie find themselves in.

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