Aryan Singh Rathore = Arnav Singh Raizada? - Page 2

Also fave song for fave Imlie-Imla.

https://youtu.be/pcIo1kQrg6Y

Originally posted by: _AmyChoco_

Oh my goodness! Amazeballs! Girllll (assuming you are one), this is gold..pure gold. Now, I haven't watched IPKKND. But the well thought out analysis makes me see why the character is loved even till now (well, you also had Sobti playing it😆).

I love how you went into detail with Aryan's characteristics. I was like Yes, Yes, Yes! Yes to everything that you pointed out!

(Pfft..Amy,you should be ashamed). I have watched the post Aryan episodes and yet if you ask me to at least sketch him out..the max I would be able to sputter out would be .."He is good. He is good looking and he likes to walk the talk. " 😆

Saying that, I am very well capable of talking about in detail how he is wrong now. 😆 But not gonna go there. He has either some untreated head injury from the prev episode or he badly needs another one cuz this whole "Tum kya karlogi" isn't sitting well with me..however noble he might seem. Fingers crossed he has a change of mind..and truly go with a 50-50 partnership. Imlie is in the wrong, needs guidance.. does not equate to I will also be a dhakkan and be in the wrong. And then he sulks when Imlie misunderstands him. My Boi, deej eej not de way to do bujiness here. I was hoping that he would spill the beans to Arpita who would make him see sense. But then Imlie who can't hurt apne interferes.

You mentioned Aryan breaks word as per convenience. Apart from this fake turning to real shaadi, did any other incident occur which made you conclude that?

Hahah omg thank you girllll - assuming you're one as well! I'm so glad you loved this take. I was nervous because I didn't want it to be Arnav V/S Aryan thing! Of course Sobti playing Arnav made the biggest difference - but it was also because Arnav is the only character who was written out well as an antihero.

After which 4Lions really screwed up in making antiheroes or even heroes for that matter.

Enter Aryan - they hit a goldmine after ten years in creating a character who is unique, not a ripoff of the previous versions of heroes and is consistent for roughly 100 episodes! And above all, they finally realised how to make a feminist. Almost. I think that happened because they needed Aryan to be opposite of what Aditya is and Aditya has a lot of internalized misogyny and patriarchy even though he's a decent liberal.

My Boi, deej eej not de way to do bujiness here 🤣🤣🤣

What Aryan is doing to Imlie now is bina anesthesia ki amputation. And telling her "don't worry, I'm not gonna actually cut your leg" proceeds to OR and binds her to the surgery table.

Ladki chillaegi nahi toh Bhangra karegi?

Imlie is stupid but I get her. Because ITV female leads are sacrificing type stupid, but also because she finds her identity with the people who's approval she's worked hard to get and above all she's 19. Who among us was rational at 19?

What I don't get is the otherwise smart Aryan being stupid. Aryan, this ain't maths ki two negatives make a positive. - that was the domain of Advay Singh Raizada who also used negative logic to proceed.

Two stupids leads to more stupid.

And yes, by Aryan breaking his word as per convenience - we see him make multiple deals with Malini to see him breaking his words or manipulating as and when required. That's the smartness one needs. He gets the upper hand with Malini because of that. She expects Aryan is like Imlie - jo keh diya woh satya hai. But Aryan give's a flying fig about his words.

If he has someone's trust - he'll ensure that. If he has made a promise in his head, he'll follow it. He often makes a promise and walks around it. Something small like him promising not to force Imlie down the slide at the playground, to amending it to the fact that he can push her - which has a positive outcome - to telling Imlie this is going to be a fake shaadi and then turns it real because in his head the pros of a real marriage outweighs that of a fake one.

And since this was written mainly to contrast with Arnav - that man was was honest and straightforward to a fault. He'll call a spade and spade and be done with it. If Arnav was in Aryan's shoes and this marriage deal was on fore, he'd tell her on the first day that it's going to be a religiously valid marriage if that's what the aim was for. He wouldn't pull the rug from Imlie's feet like that. It doesn't mean Arnav is better - he's not - but he's different and his way of dealing things are different compared to Aryan.

I am waiting for Aryan to realizing that pursuing the greater good in his head has no use if it truly shatters all the trust and faith Imlie has on him. Cause that took months and experience to develop. My favorite line of Imlie's will be "just like death isn't a matter of joke for, marriage isn't one for me"

And I have my own personal gripes when men do things thinking they know the ultimate better for a woman than she can for herself.

I loved Aryan because he was just not that. He believed Imlie should have her own agency in her life and actually fought tooth and nail to enable her to fight her battles. He literally joined hands with Imlie to fight off Malini because Imlie asked him. As a mentor, as a friend, as someone for whom Imlie means a lot - he would fight with Imlie.

One of the biggest things that attracted me to Aryan was that he treated Imlie like an independent woman. Whenever he'd do things for her - it would come in the role of mentor where he knows this younger person is going to make a mess because of her inexperience in dealing with people and the continuous waves of trauma and attachment issues. She's adulting the worst way possible and hence he's there next to her, telling her to wake up from her breakup, seek identity in herself and move on.

Yet with marriage it's a removal of agency and addition of ownership. There is no 'sweet' way to interpret it.

Omg so sorry this became another essay!!!! But yesss, thank you so much for commenting - I got very excited

Originally posted by: Deltablues

I don't think we have ever seen him metting out promises to anyone apart from Meethi? And the ones he gave out in his monologues? He hasn't broken those. Eeeeish

I was comparing him with Arnav at that point. If Arnav makes a promise to even a fly, he'll fulfill it. Aryan is selective with the word 'promise'. For him it matters who he's speaking to, what's the context, what's going on.

One can argue that perhaps nothing is a promise for Aryan except for the one he makes to Meethi and now to Aparna. Then yeah, he doesn't break a promise.

But in my broader definition a promise if often "I'll do this xyz," which of course changes character to character and person to person.

Originally posted by: Deltablues

Also fave song for fave Imlie-Imla.

https://youtu.be/pcIo1kQrg6Y

Omg nooooo! Sorry I'm so attached to background score for every show individually that I'll cry if I see this on anyone apart from Arshi.

My fav for Imlie and Aryan is their Jaaniya because it's very soft, like a curiosity and denial at the fact that love is on the doors. I love how it says that ishq ka kasoor, dil ki manmaaniya.

Originally posted by: IPodcastKKND

Omg nooooo! Sorry I'm so attached to background score for every show individually that I'll cry if I see this on anyone apart from Arshi.

My fav for Imlie and Aryan is their Jaaniya because it's very soft, like a curiosity and denial at the fact that love is on the doors. I love how it says that ishq ka kasoor, dil ki manmaaniya.

Oh I don't think they will ever rehash any of the songs. And Arylie deserve their Jaaniya tbh. But the metaphors in this one is going to be apt for gadheda-gadhedi for a lil while.

Jaaniyaaforever tbh.

Originally posted by: Deltablues

Thoughts on the marriage track : it could be better written. Like, you cannot give me a gaping plothole like Aru letting those idiots go scott free.

This marriage has been triggered by his own unhealed trauma of losing people + his need to stop Imlie from self-destruction. He truly is the Shiva to her unfettered Shakti.

I understand what he's trying to do by converting himself into a dummy villain for Imlie to grow back her spine and fight him. To think for herself once in her life. And I honestly I don't want her to go the Arshi or Shivika way. Make him pay, Imaliya.

But, my god, him using her trigger to do this is sooooo idiotic. Like, I geddit, you wanna keep the girl invested in a game of chess but no. I don't think that Imlie doesn't love Aryan yet. I think she's someone who values labels a lot. So whatever sense of heroism she gets from being self-sacrificial for the Tripathis keeps her from every recognising anything else. She really needs any sort of reassurance that he's doing this for her and not the badla. I DON'T THINK THEIR EQUATION WAS EVER ENTIRELY PLATONIC OR DEVOID OF ATTRACTION. THE ATTRACTION ALWAYS SIMMERED UNDETECTED BECAUSE OF IMLIE'S BAGGAGE WHICH KHUSHI DID NOT HAVE.

This idiot, too, c-ckblocks himself by never clarifying this. She goaded him to complete his teesri baat on Monday, and he brought up the stupid badla again???????🤡

Make the marriage a consensual one, damnit!

I see an "I love you, damnit." for these two clowns.

I think the one thing that's bugging me about the whole marriage track is not Aryan's anger or vengeance mode for Aditya - I genuinely think he never truly expressed to Imlie (and therefore, us) to what extent he can go in his hatred for Aditya. I feel he kept it down until now.

So the thing that's bugging me is he's trying to believe he's doing a "good deed" when he's appearing monstrous because it's horrifying that he's giving Imlie an "illusion of choice". He's making this marriage real to prevent Imlie from self destruction and not go into Aditya's life again. And I get it that people do stupid things when they're in love and all...

But it would've been nice if they didn't show Aryan to be so calculated about it. I can easily accept he's not thinking straight. I cannot accept he's doing this for greater good and helping Imlie.

And as you said - Imlie needs that assurance. I feel so sad for her. She's probably going through a tornado in her head. She was comfortable sharing close quarters with him in PD, and her face when he came in the same room. She literally kicked him. Why wouldn't she?

She's 19, even with the best intentions this does seem manipulative. And Imlie is being vocal about why she feels suffocated. Aise nahi ki he has no idea on what Imlie is going through.

I do feel their relationship began platonically. And there was a lot of mutual trust. I don't think attraction started until the very first Jaaniya played. Since then we, the audience, can clearly say Aryan bitwa is having feelj phor Imliya.

AND IMLIYA JUST STARTED WITH FEELJ WITH FEMALE JAANIYAAAAAAA *ugh*

I swear I watch the Chaap Tilak waala reel on loop. The chemistry is so good.

This whole track would've seriously worked if Imlie went "acha chalo, shadi karleti hoon, and I'll make your life hell" or her being "meh, at this point I'm numb cause every guy I meet is disappointing so I'll enjoy wedding preparations for once cause yoooo these dresses are fab". Lol Imliya enjoying the wedding without caring for the dulha would be hilarious.

Or even better, "great, we'll marry now and divorce after a year?"

Whatever it is, manzooori truly honi chahiye.

Should I write a crack OS of Imlie enjoying the wedding cause there's amazing food, clothes, jewelry and her not giving two flying figs about what's happening otherwise - like join them when you can't beat them 🤣

(I have certainly stopped thinking at this point)

Originally posted by: IPodcastKKND

I was comparing him with Arnav at that point. If Arnav makes a promise to even a fly, he'll fulfill it. Aryan is selective with the word 'promise'. For him it matters who he's speaking to, what's the context, what's going on.

One can argue that perhaps nothing is a promise for Aryan except for the one he makes to Meethi and now to Aparna. Then yeah, he doesn't break a promise.

But in my broader definition a promise if often "I'll do this xyz," which of course changes character to character and person to person.

That is also because, I think, Aryan is more consummate in negotiation than Arnav ever was. Negotiation was a matter of prestige for Arnav but Aryan has no such baggage.

Aryan is honourable and shrewd without being impulsive. So his brain literally works like "Tripathi presented me with a loophole and Imlie kept quiet. She should have objected/opposed/ figured her way out." That's something he's trying for her to learn.

This girl is weird honestly. Her subconscious is all over the place. She doesn't break her team with Aryan in front of anyone even if its her own so-called family. And i think, she's emotionally tired of Aditya's myopic persual.

Originally posted by: Deltablues

I have my tashan with Aruji so not commenting on the handsomeness quotient.

Another very important similarity, but it's marvelous how diametrically opposite it works in both of them : both are super possessive about their ladies. But while Arnav could be very toxic about it, Aryan literally rectifies and checks it. Till he couldn't with the wedding track. But even now it's more about stopping Imlie from self-destructing and having her in his life than yeh kisi aur ki nahi ho sakti bullshit.

Aru is a top-notch brown munda.

OMG ONE MAIN SIMILARITY.

That Devi Maiyya and Sita Maiyya works hardest for the Jodis to work out than the Jodis themselves 🤣

Also Malini and Shyam worked super hard to make sure Arylie and Arshi end up in the same frame.

If Malini hadn't put away Imlie, we wouldn't have those hugs.

If Shyam didn't kidnap Arnav, we wouldn't have the "Khushi I love you."

Wait a second...

Did Malini and Shyam study in the same school as "how to get the leads together when they can't get together themselves?"

Originally posted by: IPodcastKKND

I think the one thing that's bugging me about the whole marriage track is not Aryan's anger or vengeance mode for Aditya - I genuinely think he never truly expressed to Imlie (and therefore, us) to what extent he can go in his hatred for Aditya. I feel he kept it down until now.

So the thing that's bugging me is he's trying to believe he's doing a "good deed" when he's appearing monstrous because it's horrifying that he's giving Imlie an "illusion of choice". He's making this marriage real to prevent Imlie from self destruction and not go into Aditya's life again. And I get it that people do stupid things when they're in love and all...

But it would've been nice if they didn't show Aryan to be so calculated about it. I can easily accept he's not thinking straight. I cannot accept he's doing this for greater good and helping Imlie.

And as you said - Imlie needs that assurance. I feel so sad for her. She's probably going through a tornado in her head. She was comfortable sharing close quarters with him in PD, and her face when he came in the same room. She literally kicked him. Why wouldn't she?

She's 19, even with the best intentions this does seem manipulative. And Imlie is being vocal about why she feels suffocated. Aise nahi ki he has no idea on what Imlie is going through.

I do feel their relationship began platonically. And there was a lot of mutual trust. I don't think attraction started until the very first Jaaniya played. Since then we, the audience, can clearly say Aryan bitwa is having feelj phor Imliya.

AND IMLIYA JUST STARTED WITH FEELJ WITH FEMALE JAANIYAAAAAAA *ugh*

I swear I watch the Chaap Tilak waala reel on loop. The chemistry is so good.

This whole track would've seriously worked if Imlie went "acha chalo, shadi karleti hoon, and I'll make your life hell" or her being "meh, at this point I'm numb cause every guy I meet is disappointing so I'll enjoy wedding preparations for once cause yoooo these dresses are fab". Lol Imliya enjoying the wedding without caring for the dulha would be hilarious.

Or even better, "great, we'll marry now and divorce after a year?"

Whatever it is, manzooori truly honi chahiye.

Should I write a crack OS of Imlie enjoying the wedding cause there's amazing food, clothes, jewelry and her not giving two flying figs about what's happening otherwise - like join them when you can't beat them 🤣

(I have certainly stopped thinking at this point)

So, right. Aryan's super idiotic badla is genuinely idiotic because Aryan Singh Rathore getting his archnemesis for a negligence charge is stupid because the dude is at least liable for bigamy/libel/ mob incitement charges. Let's not forget the workplace harassment. Then he let's him get off in exchange for a fake marriage with Imlie? WTF is this? I honestly don't think he ever meant anything more than professional ruin of Aditya by his badla.

He, in fact, gave fair chances to AKT as a boss too. I think shit went down when Arpita and he nearly died again due to AKT and he had the nightmare.

The supress your pain and work hard approach is really shitty and does not work. He's basically reacting out of four years of supressed trauma. Honestly, he's using badla as a strawman to get Imlie to do what he wants, this bast-rd. 🤬

But then again, his illusion of choice notwithstanding, this girl could have chosen herself over that incestous family at least thrice, why won't she? Ugh.

Both are such idiots.

Originally posted by: IPodcastKKND

OMG ONE MAIN SIMILARITY.

That Devi Maiyya and Sita Maiyya works hardest for the Jodis to work out than the Jodis themselves 🤣

Also Malini and Shyam worked super hard to make sure Arylie and Arshi end up in the same frame.

If Malini hadn't put away Imlie, we wouldn't have those hugs.

If Shyam didn't kidnap Arnav, we wouldn't have the "Khushi I love you."

Wait a second...

Did Malini and Shyam study in the same school as "how to get the leads together when they can't get together themselves?"

Don't we have the biggest shippers in the jijus?