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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: GrilledCheese


This is an amazing post! I mentioned bits and pieces of this in some of my earlier posts.. I also thought that Raavi's description of Shiva was somewhat superficial, but I wasn't surprised because her character in general is like that.. she gives a lot of importance to appearance. She used the word "sirat" though for which I was glad, otherwise it would have just become all about the looks

Shiva and Raavi have a different understanding and expectations from their marriage and their relationship. They really need to have an open, honest, heart-to-heart conversation where they clearly spell all of this out.

Raavi seems to be satisfied with the "bare minimum" from Shiva and just being a Pandya bahu, but Shiva won't be. And if Shiva does not want to stay in a relationship that lacks passion, physical and emotional attachment and desire; and Raavi is unable to or does not want to provide him that, then both are right in their own places. The only logical course of action to take them would be a separation 💔

Unfortunately, ITV will not dig this deep 🤪

Thank you! Yeah it felt so generic and something one would say about a son they are trying to get rishtas for LOL


I couldn’t agree more. They need a heart to heart or something to help they realize, things can’t keep going like this.


@Bold Absolutely! In that case, they need to decide if they wish to remain together. You’re right, ITV will easily gloss over it with a dramatic but half baked apology and a quick reunion. Everything else will get swept under the swing in Pandya Niwas 😆

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: milkcakejamun


It was well worth the read, Esha! ❤️


You've perfectly described, what I think, the CVs are trying to do with this track. I'm unsure of why Raavi needs to be emotionally detached, myself. I don't know if it is related to her being an orphan and perhaps having the fear that she shouldn't ever grow emotionally attached just to lose it in the future.


In terms of what you wrote in the absolute beginning... I agree with you. She described Shiva very plainly as if she didn't have an childhood history with him. I'm not married, but if I had to describe my friends to other friends, I would use very different language. If I was her, I would probably roll my eyes and say, "He's the most annoying little creature to exist on the planet!! He's so stubborn, and when he gets angry you need to make sure there's nothing he can grab onto, oh and he's a terrible singer!!" and afterwards, with a smile, I would probably say, "But that's what makes him Shiva... he's a full package of emotions and keeps everything interesting!"


So, I understand what you mean. Her generic description is what I would tell pesky aunties that are inquiring about my love life. For anyone who calls me "catty cat" I would definitely give them more 😆

Thank you Avi ❤️


Tbh, I don’t know either. The writing is so lazy and half baked when it comes to her character. It’s all just us guessing because we dont have much to go off of.

@Bold Exactly! And even if I didn’t want to go into details, I would say anything but a generic sentence. The language was very off. It gave me the mohalle wale aunty feel.

Let’s say she didn’t want to elaborate. She could have said he’s quite interesting. But I’m still getting to know him better. It’s what the early days of marriage are all about. And then, she could have smiled politely to say end of discussion.

I was quite out off with how she described him. The only reason I let the “handsome” pass was because it goes with her character. Even if she doesn’t find Shiva handsome, she would want everyone to know that criteria is met. Knowing Raavi, that was probably close to number one on her list. Am I okay with her saying that if she doesn’t find him handsome? No. But it goes with her character. Unlike, the sentence after.

Edited by Raingoddess - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

This is a brilliant brilliant take on it all.

I think that's why I am so attached to them, because unlike normal enemies to lovers in an arranged marriage trope, there is this rich childhood history to explore along with their equation with each other. They didn't necessarily hate each other but weren't fond of each other either. Could not stand each other, could not be without each other. So much to explore and yet they are sidelined.


Originally posted by: Raingoddess

I don’t know if I was the only one, but I didn’t particularly like how Raavi described Shiva. The handsome part was okay. But she said jaisa uska naam, waisi uski seerat. It seemed so generic and something one would say in a marriage ad or when someone comes with a rishta.


I’m not married but I don’t know how many women would describe their husband like that. I understand what the dialogue is trying to say. In the end, being a man of good character is super important and it hints towards the concept of inner beauty. I just didn’t think the dialogue was well written and realistic. Didn’t seem like how one would describe one’s partner to college friends.

Having said that, I do believe it gives us an insight as to how Raavi views this marriage vs how Shiva does. I read a few comments in the last few pages that bring up this discussion. Adding to that, I think Raavi is happy being a Pandya Bahu which makes sense because that was her childhood dream. Dev was the best way of getting there. Her only option. She never imagined a different possibility. I think this is why if Shiva shows any form of kindness, Raavi is happy and doesn’t need anything else. She’s content with that.

The way she views her marriage is pretty much similar to how many of the women in the generations past have viewed their marriage (not all - there were some amazing women in my family who broke this illusion). Raavi has always cared for and loved Shiva in her own way. Now he’s her husband and she cares for him because they share a relationship. But that’s where it ends. He has a good character and if he’s kind to her, what else could she need. Her life is set. We see no other goals for her. The only issue is Shiva’s behavior but even that she’s used to from their childhood. She never really goes beyond that and it fits into her little world because it doesn’t require change. I wonder if that’s another reason why she wanted to marry Dev. He’s a package in the eyes of society and doesn’t involve himself in complicated emotions. She could happily be part of the family and not have to confront any of the messy stuff.

When it comes to Raavi, there is an emotional detachment. She avoids having to dealing with anything too intense (hence her not reflecting on the humiliation) and moves on (in her mind) by being bubbly the next second. This is why she never really sits down to think about exactly what is going through his mind. She just says it on the outside (why are you doing this, etc…) and moves on.


I know it’s not her responsibility alone to help him overcome his insecurities but if she wants to continue this relationship in a healthy manner, it’s important to understand where things are going wrong. And to get the help they need. I really wish the writers would help us understand Raavi better. This is all just me guessing based on what we see. Raavi is happy being a Pandya and if it were up to her, she would just let things go as is as long as Shiva can do the bare minimum.


But Shiva on the other hand, wants so much more. He wants a real relationship. Not what Raavi had planned for herself and Dev. He wants her attention, her acceptance and all those little moments that ensure that a couple go beyond just husband wife on paper.

Shiva has grown up watching GauRa. And Shiva is not dumb. He knows the passion his brother and bhabhi share. Not to compare the two couples but a lot of Shiva’s ideas do come from seeing a couple who share love, passion and a healthy relationship. They go beyond being husband and wife and are very openly affectionate. Dhara and Gaumbi may have started as the couple who fall in love after being married but they do represent a newer generation of couples who are openly affectionate despite being married for a longer period of time. They communicate and work on their relationship. They don’t take it for granted (no “we are married and that’s all that matters” kinda mentality) and make the effort to make the other person feel loved. I see such couples amongst my married friends or older cousins while my parents would fall into the “we are married and that’s all that counts” kinda couples. Both are unique in their own ways. But GauRa are def the former.


For example, if Dhara was to get up at night and pester Gaumbi for icecream, he might act like an older bro and tell her no but eventually the hubby in him will give in. They will go out for icecream but chances are it will become a date. They will be playful with one another and actually have lots of fun. They might even share an emotional conversation. Overall, a fulfilling night between two individuals. We saw something similar with Gaumbi and his nighttime snack. It’s a fulfilling relationship that goes beyond “he’s my husband” and “she’s my wife”. They aren’t just spouses but are almost like siblings, parental figures for each other, companions, best friends, lovers, and two individuals. All this comes together to define their relationship.

They weren’t always like this of course… they grew into it. This is where the biggest difference lies. The dynamic between ShiVi is so explosive that Shiva wants this now! But in their own way! He wants her to reciprocate his touches, give him the attention he wants, and go beyond being just his wife. For him, it’s all or nothing. And I understand where he is coming from.


For Shiva, it’s important for Raavi to want him. Physically and emotionally. For her to keep aside their legal and societal relationship and indulge in other aspects. That for him is a real relationship and he’s not wrong. Who doesn’t want a fulfilling relationship?


Not sure where I really went with this but I feel like both of them have a long way to go in terms of understanding their own emotions and each other’s. What is it that they truly want from this relationship? And if they don’t want the same thing, they should reconsider their relationship? Otherwise the misunderstandings will keep happening and resentment/bitterness will grow. Too bad ITV rarely indulges in heart to hearts. These two need that and counseling honestly.


Raavi has to realize that Shiva isn’t Dev. He won’t happily go along with her bubble. Weirdly enough, I feel like that’s what Dev wants from Rishita. He doesn’t want to confront any issues and is happy as long as they are living the role of husband and wife. Yikes!

Edited by srix - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Read your posts from the last few pages and completely agree.


Esha, well said. Couldn't have said it better. I was also not happy with that dialogue which prompted comment about how she could have gone in her dream zone describing Shiva in detail. First with all her anger at him and then listing out his good qualities, hardwork, caring nature, love for family, etc. That part I would liked if it came from her subconscious and then she realized it afterwards consciously what she truly believes and feels about him.


But handsome and seerat. Like you, I let handsome part pass too, but it was in hope that Shiva would somehow get to learn of it. He's concerned of his looks, buy then he'll know what she truly thinks of his physical attributes inspite of the way he dresses. But it can also come off as someonthing so generic. As Avi said, definitely not how a wife would describe her man. This was. Last minute and lazy dialogue by the makers to not piss off ShiVi fans online. Well get one such token scene a week.


And there's nothing for us to look forward for tomorrow. The only ShiVi scene we will get is the SBS one where Shiva forbids Raavi from coming along on the Yatra and Raavi gives him back. So outside of their usual bickering, there's nothing to look forward to tomorrow.

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Posted: 3 years ago

I just loved what you wrote ❤️

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Just saw a pic of little girl with dhara,gombi and suman on twitter while doing the scene..

She had a BTS pic with KD too.

Are they going ahead with adoption track?😍

Sry if this has already been discussed.i haven't done hw🤕.

Edited by Pixiepadhi - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Mountains_Lakes

Read your posts from the last few pages and completely agree.


Esha, well said. Couldn't have said it better. I was also not happy with that dialogue which prompted comment about how she could have gone in her dream zone describing Shiva in detail. First with all her anger at him and then listing out his good qualities, hardwork, caring nature, love for family, etc. That part I would liked if it came from her subconscious and then she realized it afterwards consciously what she truly believes and feels about him.


But handsome and seerat. Like you, I let handsome part pass too, but it was in hope that Shiva would somehow get to learn of it. He's concerned of his looks, buy then he'll know what she truly thinks of his physical attributes inspite of the way he dresses. But it can also come off as someonthing so generic. As Avi said, definitely not how a wife would describe her man. This was. Last minute and lazy dialogue by the makers to not piss off ShiVi fans online. Well get one such token scene a week.


And there's nothing for us to look forward for tomorrow. The only ShiVi scene we will get is the SBS one where Shiva forbids Raavi from coming along on the Yatra and Raavi gives him back. So outside of their usual bickering, there's nothing to look forward to tomorrow.

I have tried to reply to the handsome part in my post!

Your post is brilliant ❤️

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Pixiepadhi

Just saw a pic of little girl with dhara,gombi and suman on twitter while doing the scene..

She had a BTS pic with KD too.

Are they going ahead with adoption track?😍

Sry if this has already been discussed.i haven't done hw🤕.

They won't, or maybe! I don't know for sure. I have stopped expecting from PS anymore.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Transference

They won't, or maybe! I don't know for sure. I have stopped expecting from PS anymore.

Me too!

No expectations 🤕

But it would be beautifulll if they did❤️

I am not sure if shiny will agree to play pregnant on the show , if she doesn't then this can be the closure of the baby track with a social message as well .

Edited by Pixiepadhi - 3 years ago

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