Ye didi kaun se himmat ki baat kar rahi hai ? - Page 7

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Pakhi is too delusional to be relatable. But as a fictional character, she can be analysed.

At the start of the show, Pakhi is shown to be a care-free girl, travelling and enjoying her life. She is quite polite. The first important information that we gather about her is her unmarried status (at 26 years) - and the reason is she is waiting for destiny to show her THE ONE - who by her definition is someone who will look into her eyes and be lost. I don't know of I'm right, but to me that sounds too much like a fairytale view of love.

Looks like. Something that I really couldn’t understand. From what I understood about those times, Pakhi could see Virat as a nice guy. She has seen love for his family in him. He had borrowed power bank from her so that he can make a video call to his family. He did look like a decent guy, who was ambitious and also a family guy. His chivalry, his decency, his interest in her had all made her like him from what I know. I have watched a part of it but not all but this is what I could gather. It was too soon to fall in love with anyone. It is not that she wouldn’t have found anyone with these qualities. I think it was a time when she was being pushed by her mom to settle down in her life, to meet prospective groom and when she met Virat, got impressed with him due to all the above said qualities, started to look at a prospective groom in him. That’s how I could understand it as.

She meets Virat and feels an instant connection and she decides that destiny has finally found her the one. Fate separates them even before they can confess their feelings. This brings another important aspect of Pakhi's personality. When Virat fails to recognize her voice, she feels rejected - because according to her if Virat truly loved her, he would know her voice! This assumption is very juvenile and she reacts to this childish belief by switching off her phone. And henceforth, she never even tries to take things into her own hands, to fight for her love. Which makes one wonder about Pakhi's upbringing - has she never faced any disappointment (even small ones) in her life? Perhaps, she was her father's princess - had everything served on a platter; never had to struggle for anything? Had a cocooned life which never gave her a taste of real life? Just as a difficult childhood can blight an individual's life even after they grow up, an upbringing that is too sheltered and never prepares you to face the realities of life is highly dysfunctional one as well.

@bold beautifully worded. Just amazing 👏.

Well, I am not sure if she has never faced disappointment in her life or not. It could be the truth and need not be too. I think the problem with her is just what Virat is facing too though they both are different from each other. Her emotions for Virat are too strong. She started to like Virat for a few reasons and could see a very good person in him. Her hopes had shattered and she was completely disappointed and hence reacted that way. The expectations that she had from him was too high that she couldn’t even tolerate the thought that he had not saved her number. I think it is due to her high expectations from her that she reacted that way more than not able to face disappointment. She had thought that she had found a right life partner in him and couldn’t accept that he was a person who thought her to be a time pass. She couldn’t accept that her judgment about him and her choice turned out to be wrong. It was her misunderstanding but she had even then let her emotions take over that she didn’t think of any other possibility of him not saving her number failing to recognise who was talking.

After the failed phone call, Pakhi has already given up on her love. Dejected and heartbroken, she agrees to an arranged marriage for the sake of her parents. As misfortune would have it, on the day of her wedding, she meets Virat and also learns that he was blameless in their 'relationship'. I don't believe she was planning on an EMA with Virat, I don't think she even knew what she was doing - she was overwhelmed with emotion and her only instinct was to not let go of Virat. This decision was the biggest mistake of her life. When we end our relationship with someone, we move as far away from that person as possible and try to rebuild our life. But Pakhi's situation became exactly opposite to what would have helped her move on - seeing her Ex everyday and that too with a young wife he was quickly getting attached to - she got sucked in a whirlpool.

I agree.

@bold ideally that is what one would do.

I had a different notion about her accepting to get married. I have always felt that she never thought of EMA. She accepted to marry Samrat for her parent’s sake, for Virat’s sake, also so that she didn’t want him to think that she couldn’t even do that for him. I even now can’t believe that she thought she can stay close to him if she got married to Samrat 🤦‍♀️. But she did.

I don't think she was a manipulative person before, but in her desperation to prevent Virat from slipping away from her life, she developed a lot of negative skills almost instinctively. The more Virat leaned towards Sai, the greater was her desperation. Like Asmi said, hatred for Sai would have been an understandable emotion but alas she went too far in her actions.

I agree.

I agree with Anamika - I also found Virat - Pakhi's dialogues on 'himmat' powerful. Pakhi who was thus far, always focused on retaining Virat's favour by acting demure (at the cost of her self-respect) but cloaked under the guise of maturity, Samrat, family - finally let her real feelings show. She resents Virat for not standing up for their love - and that anger, she projects on Sai. It is ironic because she herself never found the courage to either fight for her love or to own up to her mistake in the failed 'romance' or hell, even to confront Virat. I liked @cheekukabeej's take on this - she doesn't take responsibilty because she hasn't even realized it - and realization is always the first step towards taking responsibility.

It might seem Virat lacked himmat when he refused to marry Samrat - to me he lacked motivation. For all his 'dard and 'zindagi ujad jaana' feelings - somwhere his heart did not really value that 'love' (unlike Pakhi, he has seen the real world after all).

That is why I felt a little bad for Pakhi the girl during Virat Pakhi confrontation after Virat returned from GC. She is still holding on to him. He did confess his love to her on the day of Pakhi’s haldi which I never thought was necessary especially when he had planned to not take their relationship forwards and planned to request her to get married to Samrat as already planned. He did tell her a few times that he see her only as his brother’s wife and his friend but did mislead her through some of his actions. But when Sai had left to PDs house for lunch, he has clearly told her that he has no feelings for her. And even after he returned from GC, he not only said he probably had started to develop feelings for Sai, also had conveyed to her that they never really shared anything in their past. He had kind of let her know that it was a mistake.

Now, when Pakhi can see that he didn’t value that love since she can clearly see how he would behave when he is actually in love when he does things for Sai, she is getting hurt. She is getting hurt every single time when she realises that he probably never meant when he said that he loves her. At the same time, she isn’t willing to accept that could be the case which makes her pursue him and guilt trip him.

Whatever Virat lacked, he did sacrifice whatever they shared for his brother and family’s sake after confessing his love for her.

His overwhelming emotions and resulting ridiculous vaada came from a confusion over the idea of love.

I agree. It was also for Samrat’s happiness.

It is interesting what he tells Pakhi during Samrat's wedding - "Main Samrat ke liye apni jaan dene ko taiyaar hoon, pyaar to choti si cheez hai" 😆. Will he ever say that his love for Sai is "choti si cheez"? Or give up Sai just as easily as he sacrificed Pakhi?

I think his jealousy is taking over him at the moment but when he is in his full senses, he can let go of Sai too if that is what Sai wants or if that is where her happiness lies in.

Next point - we keep discussing about Virat and Pakhi's proximity in the scenes. What if they are actually deliberate? Are the writers trying a bad attempt at imagery and symbolism - that Virat and Pakhi are mirror images of each other? Both highly emotional, extreme in their love and crossing boundaries when their love is under question? Difference is that Virat got the love of his life and Pakhi didn't? (I hope that I'm mistaken 😆).

I am not commenting on the proximity part since I have a different view on it.

@bold I have also felt this. If you look at it Virat and Pakhi are very similar in many ways but there is also a big contrast. Virat has a strong moral compass. Even if he commits mistakes by getting carried away by emotions, he would do things for others, would want happiness for others. If Virat was in Pakhi’s position, he would have wished for her happiness with her spouse.

Loved reading your take 😊. Have replied in green.

I am reading thoughts here … I feel even if virat and pakhi had confessed their love .. if they had got engaged or about to be engaged .. .. whatever happened in gharchiroli.. after Kamal Sir’s death .. virat would have married Sai .. and we would have got a story of pakhi as a jilted fiancée ..

Pakhi n virat did not even exchange full names addresses .. she was not even aware that he’s a police officer .. his surname is Chavan .. it’s a filmy meet .. which we give the name of love .. both being on their best behaviour..

If samrat had stayed on .. and virat not been related to him .. if they had met after 7-8 months of pakhi’s marriage to samrat n Sairat wedding .. both would have smiled and moved on .. love does not happen by just looking at each other .. atleast not these days .. because we are not willing to compromise like our parents did ..

Virat was not aware of how she behaves .. he was enamoured with her for the first month of his marriage .. after the mirchi grinding episodes .. his blinders started coming off .. and by now he’s not even fond of her .. virat by telling Sai that pakhi is his best friend that itself was a big lie because he knew nothing about her .. he gave an exaggerated picture of his lost love to Sai .. and Now is regretting big time .. serves him right to stew ..

I love watching the jeep coming back episode where he tells Sai.. don’t expect anything.. he can’t commit to her .. bla bla bla .. I am like Wah beta .. this statement is going to bite u so badly .. it’s a lesson for every man to not give words to their wives in Tashn .. because the wife never forgets 😂

Good one! First para I would like to diverge though. Virat if he had committed to pakhi would not have married sai. Engagement is a big thing. Also aaba didn’t ask him to marry sai, did he? But yeah if it had happened just like what happened here with 2 days yoga love and samrat had not been in picture, he still would have married sai. Because as he told later, the relationship didn’t start for him. But as Lakshmi pointed out above, he set wrong expectations with pakhi when he confessed about his feelings to her in haldi. He made all the mess with his mind muddled with emotions. Things happen out of control sometimes and virat just went through them setting wrong expectations everywhere. Even with sai, as you said he spoke more than what he should’ve. He just came from pakhis marriage and he is in guilt mode and on top of that he is marrying someone just after few days after giving that vaada. So obviously yiu are guilty. And in that state he said things to sai. But I felt that even just after marriage when they came back home, on terrace he spoke to sunny about Sai’s haq in the house and being accepted by the family etc. so he knows that a marriage is a life long commitment. He was willing to give it a chance always … his slip ups are all his guilt. But damage is done. As you said, wives don’t forget things easily

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Good one! First para I would like to diverge though. Virat if he had committed to pakhi would not have Engagement is a big thing. Also aaba didn’t ask him to marry sai, did he? But yeah if it had happened just like what happened here with 2 days yoga love and samrat had not been in picture, he still would have married sai. Because as he told later, the relationship didn’t start for him. But as Lakshmi pointed out above, he set wrong expectations with pakhi when he confessed about his feelings to her in haldi. He made all the mess with his mind muddled with emotions. Things happen out of control sometimes and virat just went through them setting wrong expectations everywhere. Even with sai, as you said he spoke more than what he should’ve. He just came from pakhis marriage and he is in guilt mode and on top of that he is marrying someone just after few days after giving that vaada. So obviously yiu are guilty. And in that state he said things to sai. But I felt that even just after marriage when they came back home, on terrace he spoke to sunny about Sai’s haq in the house and being accepted by the family etc. so he knows that a marriage is a life long commitment. He was willing to give it a chance always … his slip ups are all his guilt. But damage is done. As you said, wives don’t forget things easily

the circumstances after Sai tried taking her life .. was impossible for virat .. he would have married Sai .. if he was still unmarried .. and available.. there was no way in Indian scenario he could have become her guardian.. without any blood relation .. her father meant in a guarded way for virat to marry Sai .. things were impossible for her dad too .. he had the gut feelin he was about to die .. and jagtap was still alive .. to safeguard his daughter he did it the oNly way possible .. virat was standing before him .. I do believe Kamal Sir meant virat to marry his daughter ..quite clearly

Originally posted by: msin

the circumstances after Sai tried taking her life .. was impossible for virat .. he would have married Sai .. if he was still unmarried .. and available.. there was no way in Indian scenario he could have become her guardian.. without any blood relation .. her father meant in a guarded way for virat to marry Sai .. things were impossible for her dad too .. he had the gut feelin he was about to die .. and jagtap was still alive .. to safeguard his daughter he did it the oNly way possible .. virat was standing before him .. I do believe Kamal Sir meant virat to marry his daughter ..quite clearly

I never got this answer that what made KJ choose virat to take zimmedari of sai ? He had known virat not more than 3 yrs . what made him trust virat so much ?

Can u answer main?

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

I never got this answer that what made KJ choose virat to take zimmedari of sai ? He had known virat not more than 3 yrs . what made him trust virat so much ?

Can u answer main?

Kamal sir was dying .. at that point he did not have too many options.. and also virat who was a brave man , well settled unmarried standing before him.. it was a gift from heaven .. let’s not forget Kamal sir called him to save Sai from jagtap.. and virat did save her .. leaving samrat wedding ..

there were many many reasons for the dad to chose virat as the best match for Sai .. knowing him for 3 years is a lot 😂😂most prospective father in laws know nothing about their damad..

I believe even if KamalSir had been alive he would have got Sai married off to virat ..

Originally posted by: msin

Kamal sir was dying .. at that point he did not have too many options.. and also virat who was a brave man , well settled unmarried standing before him.. it was a gift from heaven .. let’s not forget Kamal sir called him to save Sai from jagtap.. and virat did save her .. leaving samrat wedding ..

there were many many reasons for the dad to chose virat as the best match for Sai .. knowing him for 3 years is a lot 😂😂most prospective father in laws know nothing about their damad..

I believe even if KamalSir had been alive he would have got Sai married off to virat ..

Bold : I strongly believe this after Sai being settled as an MBBS grad and given Virat didn't marry anyone, he would have definitely proposed for marriage.

Well even if Virat had been in Gadchiroli, he would have definitely fell in love with Sai at some point of time so he would have definitely married her

I still feel that he was wrong. He could have felt betrayed, not talking to Virat is not the same as abandoning his wife like that and go on missing. I don’t want him to leave everything and act as a husband, I wanted him to end the issue. If not for then, after a few days. He could have chosen any decision but this. Not only has he wronged Pakhi, he has wronged his family and mainly his mom.

I agree everything you mentioned about Pakhi, wish she gets self awareness and mend her ways.

I also agree, Samrat should have stayed and sorted the situation at least for his mother’s sake. Here, he too was wronged by his Shiva and a wife, to whom he clearly asked if she wanted to marry him or there were any issues? Infact he asked Virat too if there was something wrong and they kept mum. It was shown in the janmashtami throwback scene that he too would do anything for his brother.

He should have thought about his mother.. first off what was he thinking? If he went missing Virat would move on with Pakhi? He should have known Virat better, he would wait for his return at any cost. How would his own family move on? When pain and anger controlled him, he did not deliberate on the repercussions of his actions and did what he thought was right. He was not right but he was too hurt to even realize it. Again an impulsive decision!

I strongly think that though Virat underwent a lot of pain and his intentions were not to hurt his brother, but him unilaterally taking the decision on Pakhi’s and Samrat’s future was fallacious. He controlled the outcomes of two other fates, who are now leading a forsaken life yet he moved on.

Originally posted by: AninditaB

Bold : I strongly believe this after Sai being settled as an MBBS grad and given Virat didn't marry anyone, he would have definitely proposed for marriage.

Well even if Virat had been in Gadchiroli, he would have definitely fell in love with Sai at some point of time so he would have definitely married her

i just written this somewhere else. It would have happened and virat would have agreed. 👍

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

I never got this answer that what made KJ choose virat to take zimmedari of sai ? He had known virat not more than 3 yrs . what made him trust virat so much ?

Can u answer main?

do you remember the first dialogues of Kamal sir praising virat in front of someone I think Usha maushi! He said ‘bade ghar ka ladka, bahut suljha hua and something’ . Dads see the same qualities especially for a single daughter. Suljha hua and bade ghar 😜

Usha maushi already had thoughts of marriage and she would have definitely planted the seed. I remember as soon as Kamal sir died and the folks in GC knew that there was a promise asked from virat, they pounced on him. 😅they all love sai and they wanted the best for her, hence forced virat. That’s what happens when you have Well wishers 😳. They made sure she is in good hands 👍