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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

During Karna Shalya convo in Karna Parva

Karna was badmouthing about the regions of in and around Shalya (Sibbi, Madra, Kekeya, Sindhu, Ghandhar) etc. Calling them Adharmi and those who lack the knowledge of Dharma

Incidentally those were the areas which were the first to fall during Islamic invasions and are now in Pakistan/Afghanistan completely out of Dharmic fold

Can we assume that Karna was able to see the future😄😄😄

I know bad joke and cheap conspiracy theory

Actually most of the 'invaders/outsiders' used to come through Khyber Pass.

Presumably in that region intermingling with 'outsiders' was more than Hastinapura area. So the cultures were different. That's why Karna is calling them Adharmi. Human tendency to look down upon other cultures.

Due to the same reason percentage of Muslims was much higher in what is now Pakistan. So it is out of 'Dharmik' land.

Originally posted by: vyapti

Actually most of the 'invaders/outsiders' used to come through Khyber Pass.

Presumably in that region intermingling with 'outsiders' was more than Hastinapura area. So the cultures were different. That's why Karna is calling them Adharmi. Human tendency to look down upon other cultures.

Due to the same reason percentage of Muslims was much higher in what is now Pakistan. So it is out of 'Dharmik' land.

I know that is the reason Karna called them Adharmi not because they were bad people but because they followed slightly different rules and culture. He also badmouhed people of East (post Magadh and Anga) presumably to people of North East and current day Bangladesh

Obviously not every place has same culture and they felt others as Adharmik even archeological finding suggest the same

Additionally for people of North West they stayed closer to the Iran (supposed Asura worshippers) so they might have some influence of Zoroastrians in them making them all the more Adharmik for people of Central India

This was just a comical thing I said in jest

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I know that is the reason Karna called them Adharmi not because they were bad people but because they followed slightly different rules and culture. He also badmouhed people of East (post Magadh and Anga) presumably to people of North East and current day Bangladesh

Obviously not every place has same culture and they felt others as Adharmik even archeological finding suggest the same

Additionally for people of North West they stayed closer to the Iran (supposed Asura worshippers) so they might have some influence of Zoroastrians in them making them all the more Adharmik for people of Central India

This was just a comical thing I said in jest

I know that.

I was just telling that your comparison actually has some truth in it. The possible reason is---India is safeguarded from all sides through sea and mountains, so Khyber pass is one of the main entry points.

Originally posted by: vyapti

I know that.

I was just telling that your comparison actually has some truth in it. The possible reason is---India is safeguarded from all sides through sea and mountains, so Khyber pass is one of the main entry points.

Yes actually there were chances of intermingling more in the areas of khyber pass so they were always Adharmi in eyes of Central Indians

But I doubt there were many invasions by the time of Mahabharat (that is post Aryans that is) it had more to do with intermingling

The reasons why I think those areas were different in culture could be

1) Those areas had direct trade with Mesopotamia and Central Asia as we know (The trade was there during IVC times and even post that the we have found traces of Indian spices in Middle Eastern countries) and thereby there was a tinge of ME influence onto them which was a complete no no for Central Indians

2) As I said earlier they were closer to Iran and their area (Hapta Hindu- our Sapta Sindhu) was like a pilgrimage site for Ahura worshippers. I think despite their religious differences they would have been allowed by the rulers in certain occasions. The proximity with the arch rivals made them slightly like them. (Like Pakistani Muslims although dislike every culture of Indian origin still have functions like Mehandi and Haldi in the marriages which are the traditions of this land) making their practices Asuri for the more traditional Indians

3) If for once we don't consider AIT/AMT and go with Out Of India Theory, then it is more clear. The people of these areas were different tribe of RigVeda arguably Anus and Dhuryasus who were forced westward from Ravi Parsuni(Ravi) by Sudasa. Even Mahabharat which gives all tribes a common ancestry through Yayati mentions the children of Anu taking up these lands, Baudhadhayan Sutra states the same too

They were actually the proto Zoroastrians or I might say few of their community went further ahead to become Zoroastrian Iranis while these though remained in Dharmik fold had definitely more in common with their developmental cousins Zoroastrians (Ahur worshippers) than their neighbors RigVedics

4) They were matrilinear society and more freedom to women something which definitely different from Central Indian mindset

These are my opinions but could be different too

Dwaraka is literally Gateway. It was likely a trading port.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Dwaraka is literally Gateway. It was likely a trading port.

Dwarka was not the only one either. Poompuhar in south on eastern coast as well as many others on western coast like Gomantaka were trading kingdoms

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Dwaraka is literally Gateway. It was likely a trading port.

Haan but Krishna and team weren't Basically of Dwarika na, unka culture to central Indian raha hooga

Kuchh generation wahan rehte tab to cultural differences aata na

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Dwarka was not the only one either. Poompuhar in south on eastern coast as well as many others on western coast like Gomantaka were trading kingdoms

Yaar Karna raja tha koi geography cultural explorer thode tha ki poore India ka khoj khoj ke "Adharmik" regions dhoond k laata

I mean Karna was a king not a cultural geography expert that he would have had searched for the Adharmik regions from across the country and spoken about them. Definitely those regions would have had non Dharmik influence too

He had to fight Shalya so told about his region

Actually, Anga prob traded steel.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Actually, Anga prob traded steel.

Wow didn't know that. Thanks

But I don't think the areas of Anga are rich in minerals its the nearby area of present day Jharkhand

I only knew that Anga traded in something else wives and sons 😶😶😶😑😑