Episode Spoiler - 22 June 2021 - Page 15

Today's episode was one example of how they cannot take it slow sometimes. Like please chillax and let us breathe too..

Raghav was seen following up on the plan of giving Sunny a chance and Keerthi understandably would have been happy with this, and could finally see that Raghav was being considerate of her. Raghav on the other hand did mental calculation and decides to escalate it further by announcing the engagement...Like let's see in this process if he is indeed a good person...They aren't marrying her off, it's an engagement... In the meantime he has the time to be off Keerthi's hatred and suspicion radar and can actually decode Sunny...

It could also be digestible that the scene was played out in this way - Keerthi considered Raghav's efforts and Raghav considered her feelings in return, and be like it's okay, you two, let's prepare for your engagement....

While any of the above two can be his reasons to accept Sunny, how it played out was absurd. The execution and the dialogues is what matters in convincing audience of character's behavior...and that was not upto Mark...Give audience some time dude, yesterday you were all guns blazing, yesterday Keerthi was like you are not my brother, and now she is accusing Pallavi of coming in between them... Give us a break please to let it all sink in... Ekdum se bardasht nahin hua Keerthi aur Raghav ka scene...aur nibba-nibbi, matlab kuchh bhi... khichdi scene.. 🤣

It was too much to take it all in. Ya toh dialogues kam karo, ya fir scenes ko thoda aaram se play out karo, I don't know what but it just didn't click. Except Pallavi being suspicious of Sunny and Amma being hilarious with that Ardhamaainda.. 🤣🤣

Originally posted by: BlueJayFire

I feel Pallavi purposely is trying to be the bad person, so that Keerthi can trust Raghav. Keerthi will look at Pallavi as her sole enemy and feed Sunny with pieces of information that Pallavi wants her to pass. I feel this is the dynamic that the Raghavi are playing. Sunny will expose himself in situations.

I am expecting a scene where Farhad-Sunny interaction happens and Keerthi see how Sunny will treat Farhad, as a servant. When in real life, he is more than family to her.

Think these two bought time now to show various scenarios and show Keerthi the mirror of who Sunny is..

Well, thats me thinking logically.

Is she that attached to Farhad? She's so madly in love, usse apni maa ki bhi fikar nahi. Apne murderer bhai ke saath akele chhod ke bhaag rahi thi, so Farhad ki itni chinta kyun hogi?

Plus, I think Sunny realizes Farhad is no ordinary employee, he won't be dumb enough to treat him as such.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Hmm, I don't disagree with you, but I do have a slightly different take. I don't think the issue as such is in accepting the marriage. I think he's reached that step wholeheartedly. I think the issue is in fully acknowledging the implications of what it means to be married, because he's not used to living with family. With Jaya and Kirti, he's absolutely convinced that he knows what's best. He's used to making it happen, by hook or by crook- if they don't accept his help straight up, he'd get it to them through twisted ways, but he'd do what he thought best. From my read, it's Pallavi as a DIL/SIL that's tougher for him to accept than her as a wife.

He does need to get a hold of his words. He says some really uncool things often- calling her middle class, criticizing her work. It's not fun beyond a limit, and it's starting to wear thin.

And yeah, we absolutely shouldn't underestimate Pallavi's emotional attachment to Mandaar either. Sure, we know they never got the chance to fall in love. But Mansi told us early on they used to talk for hours at end while long distance. They shared dreams and aspirations. They planned a future. It seemed like they were all set to have the most perfect arranged marriage that could be, which is nothing to scoff at.

I completely agree with Ashi on this.. Raghav is an alpha male and after his nana's death, he feels responsible for Amma and Keerthi being the only man in their household.. he has taken decisions for them without consulting anyone in the past so Pallavi's sudden involvement in the matter seemed like interference to him in his ways of deciding things for keerthi. His idea of getting Pallavi involved was to advice him what do it but in his head he will be the one who gets to decide how he is going to achieve that.. I am not reading too much into why he said what he said besides the fact that Raghav doesn't have the choicest of words to display his emotions when he is under some sort of a stress.. I think he has very much accepted Pallavi as his wife/life partner but they both are fairly new in this relationship.. Pallavi is obviously the more mature one of the two..she is careful with her words even when angry.. Also, no matter how her family dynamics were, fact is she lived with her family under one roof and hence is more accustomed to the ways things work.. For Raghav, its a huge change from how he is used to living.. from deciding everything on his own, to having to share and consult everyone in the family on every big and small issue.. so I will not hold this one against him though I want him to talk to Pallavi later about this whole thing..and apologize for his words..

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Hmm, I don't disagree with you, but I do have a slightly different take. I don't think the issue as such is in accepting the marriage. I think he's reached that step wholeheartedly. I think the issue is in fully acknowledging the implications of what it means to be married, because he's not used to living with family. With Jaya and Kirti, he's absolutely convinced that he knows what's best. He's used to making it happen, by hook or by crook- if they don't accept his help straight up, he'd get it to them through twisted ways, but he'd do what he thought best. From my read, it's Pallavi as a DIL/SIL that's tougher for him to accept than her as a wife.

He does need to get a hold of his words. He says some really uncool things often- calling her middle class, criticizing her work. It's not fun beyond a limit, and it's starting to wear thin.

And yeah, we absolutely shouldn't underestimate Pallavi's emotional attachment to Mandaar either. Sure, we know they never got the chance to fall in love. But Mansi told us early on they used to talk for hours at end while long distance. They shared dreams and aspirations. They planned a future. It seemed like they were all set to have the most perfect arranged marriage that could be, which is nothing to scoff at.

I think we're saying similar things, though. He hasn't thought through what marriage means long term and how it affects their lives and those around them of course. Being a true life partner means you share their troubles as well as good times, and if the troubles involve other family members then by default you are emotionally invested in it too. Pallavi is, but Raghav doesn't quite get it.

@bold I am glad you feel this way too. Some people may be too quick to dismiss Mandaar knowing he's shady, but from Pallavi's point of view, he was going to be her forever after, her sukh dukh ka saathi, her well-wisher. Also, we need to stop thinking of Mandaar as a one-dimensional character. He may have been involved in shady business ventures or some other illegal activities, we don't know, but that doesn't mean he would have been a bad husband, does it? We can't say for certain. Look at Raghav himself. He's a don, a gangster, also does illegal stuff like smuggling diamonds but do we not love him because of his character? Besides, Pallavi didn't get to know Mandaar inside out but what she did know if him, she really admired and respected. Why is romantic love the only possible form of attachment? She had such a connect with him that she promised to take care of his family, which she did for all this time and will continue to do so. That's not trivial.

+1 on the arranged marriage point. Raghav and she are also kind of in a similar situation. Sure, it wasn't an arranged marriage in the traditional sense, but the rest of the dynamics and them gradually learning about each other is similar to one. In fact, Mandaar and Pallavi probably had none of the bad blood that Raghav and she do, so when it comes time to compare the two, which is bound to happen and is natural, then Pallavi will end up ranking Mandaar higher on some of these essential qualities. She dreamt of a future with Mandaar, but she hasn't dreamt of any such thing with Raghav. There's a long way to go, and when it comes time to compare her options (before she learns of Mandaar's true nature), can you blame her for being conflicted? Raghav hasn't guaranteed her anything and slips ups like this one will accumulate until they weigh down heavily on the budding "friendship" they may have. Pallavi had never wanted to remarry, partly because of her dedication to Mandaar's memory and her promises to him. She's making the best of her current situation and while she's been attracted to Raghav for a while, I do want to see her question herself on what made her go in that direction. She was clearly led by her emotions and not 100% rationality, which is fine, but like she told Keerti, you need to be practical too.

I would actually like to see her doubt her decision to spend her life with Raghav and ask herself why she chose that and what it would bring her long term. It's high time she thought a bit selfishly as to what she wants for herself and where her happiness lies.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Is she that attached to Farhad? She's so madly in love, usse apni maa ki bhi fikar nahi. Apne murderer bhai ke saath akele chhod ke bhaag rahi thi, so Farhad ki itni chinta kyun hogi?

Plus, I think Sunny realizes Farhad is no ordinary employee, he won't be dumb enough to treat him as such.

@bold, not really. But compared to Raghav to whom she has always spewed venom, with Farhad she was always respectful. He was always the first person she calls for help or update. Even during the early days of when Amma was at hospital, she updated Farhad, not Raghav.

I was thinking post Raghav's approval today, she has calmed down a bit (fingers crossed). Sunny being the impulsive person, can't always pretend and be in that mask. There will be slip ups which Keerthi has to see and change for herself. Thats what am hoping this track will bring. I know, high hopes, but yeah..

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Nope, he needn't say sorry for what he's feeling. His emotions are valid. He's even allowed to generally believe Pallavi shouldn't be involved in this matter, in which case it should be a mature conversation, that hey, this marriage is new, and I think we need certain boundaries right now while we figure it out. That's fair too, but then he neither gets to lash out at her for not sharing info nor does he get to seek counsel.

But we all have inappropriate thoughts sometimes, or feel a certain way about certain things, even if we feel we shouldn't, and there are just some thoughts that should remain unvoiced. I don't believe Raghav's intention was to call her an outsider- but that nonetheless was the impact, which is why she responded, 'woh mere kuch nahi lagte kya?' In the light of the last couple of weeks, I think these thoughts should have either remained unvoiced or said with more tact. An 'I'm sorry it came out that way, didn't intend to hurt you' sentiment is all I'm really looking for, even without an explicit apology.

It's that sharp tongue of his that he needs to get a handle on, at least with his family. It's not gonna serve anyone well in the long run.

@bold... this...

Raghav's impulsive nature is what will make him keep doing this with Pallavi and others. It will take Pallavi to be really really hurt about his words before he pauses. We know he can be tactful when he needs to be, when he's cool-headed but when he gets all worked up, forget it.

@blue, this would be fine too, so long as he's doing it because he understand the effect of his words and not because he just wants to pacify her or something.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

I completely agree with Ashi on this.. Raghav is an alpha male and after his nana's death, he feels responsible for Amma and Keerthi being the only man in their household.. he has taken decisions for them without consulting anyone in the past so Pallavi's sudden involvement in the matter seemed like interference to him in his ways of deciding things for keerthi. His idea of getting Pallavi involved was to advice him what do it but in his head he will be the one who gets to decide how he is going to achieve that.. I am not reading too much into why he said what he said besides the fact that Raghav doesn't have the choicest of words to display his emotions when he is under some sort of a stress.. I think he has very much accepted Pallavi as his wife/life partner but they both are fairly new in this relationship.. Pallavi is obviously the more mature one of the two..she is careful with her words even when angry.. Also, no matter how her family dynamics were, fact is she lived with her family under one roof and hence is more accustomed to the ways things work.. For Raghav, its a huge change from how he is used to living.. from deciding everything on his own, to having to share and consult everyone in the family on every big and small issue.. so I will not hold this one against him though I want him to talk to Pallavi later about this whole thing..and apologize for his words..

Again, I think we're all saying similar things. He's accepted the marriage, the bond itself, but not gone into the depths of what a marriage, a true partnership really means, what sharing means. He will have to learn how to do that because he's been a lone wolf all these years.

Pallavi was the second option after his alter ego failed to show up. What does that tell you? That when he has to make decisions, he consults 'himself' first.

We did say when he got married that having 3 ladies living with him will turn his world upside down, and here we are.

I want him to apologize only when he really gets it, with a resolve to be careful in future. Not interested in seeing him apologize and repeat the same mistakes. The point isn't him having a slip up, it's that he has to learn to watch his words when he's angry because he knows he says thing out of line. Haar baar maafi nahin milegi.

Originally posted by: Ubiquitos

Today's episode was one example of how they cannot take it slow sometimes. Like please chillax and let us breathe too..

It was too much to take it all in. Ya toh dialogues kam karo, ya fir scenes ko thoda aaram se play out karo, I don't know what but it just didn't click. Except Pallavi being suspicious of Sunny and Amma being hilarious with that Ardhamaainda.. 🤣🤣

You're right, we all need a breather, but looking at the lineup of villains and the return of Mandaar, I doubt we'll get this anytime soon.

Re: ardhamainda, can we please go back to only having Raghav say it? Just doesn't work for me when others do. 😆

Originally posted by: inlieu

I think we're saying similar things, though. He hasn't thought through what marriage means long term and how it affects their lives and those around them of course. Being a true life partner means you share their troubles as well as good times, and if the troubles involve other family members then by default you are emotionally invested in it too. Pallavi is, but Raghav doesn't quite get it.

@bold I am glad you feel this way too. Some people may be too quick to dismiss Mandaar knowing he's shady, but from Pallavi's point of view, he was going to be her forever after, her sukh dukh ka saathi, her well-wisher. Also, we need to stop thinking of Mandaar as a one-dimensional character. He may have been involved in shady business ventures or some other illegal activities, we don't know, but doesn't that mean he would have been a bad husband, does it? We can't say that for certain. Look at Raghav himself. He's a don, a gangster, also does illegal stuff like smuggling diamonds but do we not love him because of his character? Besides, Pallavi didn't get to know him inside out but what she did know if him, she really admired and respected. Why is romantic love the only possible form of attachment? She had such a connect with him that she promised to take care of his family, which she did for all this time and will continue to do so. That's not trivial.

+1 on the arranged marriage point. Raghav and she are also kind of in a similar situation. Sure, it wasn't an arranged marriage in the traditional sense, but the rest of the dynamics and them gradually learning about each other is similar to one. In fact, Mandaar and Pallavi probably had none of the bad blood that Raghav and she do, so when it comes time to compare the two, which is bound to happen and is natural, then Pallavi will end up ranking Mandaar higher on some of these essential qualities. She dreamt of a future with Mandaar, but she hasn't dreamt of any such thing with Raghav. There's a long way to go, and when it comes time to compare her options (before she learns of Mandaar's true nature), can you blame her for being conflicted? Raghav hasn't guaranteed her anything and slips ups like this one will accumulate until they weigh down heavily on the budding "friendship: they may have. Pallavi had never wanted to remarry, partly because of her dedication to Mandaar's memory and her promises to him. She's making the best of her current situation and while she's been attracted to Raghav for a while, I do want to see her question herself on what made her go in that direction. She was clearly led by her emotions and not 100% rationality, which is fine, but like she told Keerti, you need to be practical too.

I would actually like to see her doubt her decision to spend her life with Raghav and ask herself why she chose that and what it would bring her long term. It's high time she thought a bit selfishly as to what she wants for herself and where her happiness lies.

I hope they do something interesting with Mandaar. Having him be an out and out bad guy seems kinda boring, so let's see if they can present something unexpected.

💯 that him being shady doesn't mean he can't be a viable life partner. Also, he could have genuine emotions for Pallavi too, which would be interesting to see.

Selfish Pallavi- I'm so ready for it. I want her to pause and think about what makes her happy- not her responsibilities, not Ayi-Baba, not Amma, or Kirti, or Nikhil, or Mandaar, or Raghav or what's socially expected, but what her heart desires.

Originally posted by: inlieu

You're right, we all need a breather, but looking at the lineup of villains and the return of Mandaar, I doubt we'll get this anytime soon.

Re: ardhamainda, can we please go back to only having Raghav say it? Just doesn't work for me when others do. 😆

Straight up villains or new entries are better than seeing ghar ke log being your khushi ka dushman or being stuck up in toxic relationships, I see it that way. (Read Keerthi and Deshmukh's)

I don't know it was funny like she was unable to breathe while saying it.. I know kuchh jyada hi ho gaya... Move on please..😆