Pakhi and Hindu law - Page 4

Originally posted by: Anamika32

Hello, new to IF. Been watching the show for a while. I respect Virat for his clarification and for recently drawing a boundary between him and Pakhi. I have no soft corner for Pakhi whatsoever but TBH both Virat and Pakhi made a mockery out of their marriage rituals. Virat also had FB's about Pakhi

They did show Virat having flashbacks about his Vada which was totally unwanted Since Pakhi was already his brother's wife. It's so problematic. He was convinced of keeping the Vada intact at that point. Don't even get me started on how incestuous it is even though I will admit he would have never crossed his limits with her because he's a man of principles. Yes, Pakhi is completely wrong at this point of the story shes possibly a vamp but Virat can't go Scott-free. He had his fair share of responsibility back then. He made the unwanted promise whatsoever of not letting any other girl other than Pakhi in his heart. If we are blaming Pakhi for not upkeeping the sanctity of marriage during the rituals Virat was equally at fault. Worse soon after the marriage he went and clarified to Pakhi that the Vada given to her won't be broken and his marriage with Sai is a deal.

I don't think it's fair to blame Pakhi alone if it comes to marriage rituals. Men are let off the hook easily. It will be unfair to say he was dedicately focused on his marriage with Sai. He wasn't. He had Pakhi on his mind then as well (I don't blame him for feelings but running after Pakhi to explain his marriage status did make me nauseous )Even if the story demanded we can't forget he placed a Vada as to perpetually place Pakhi in his heart. Given Pakhi is his SIL is so problematic. He didn't think through and he's at fault for that.

So for me personally neither of them kept the sanctity of the rituals during that particular point in time. Virat does now and I appreciate that. Pakhi I don't think will ever. I want a Sairat remarriage without the burden of Vada

I m.sorry I disagree with u there is difference b/w pakhi & virat , pakhi imagined herself getting married to virat , she want rights of sai who is wife of virat thats why keep fighting with heras she want to fulfill wife duty towards virat

when in virat's dream he saved sai & decided to get married that time also he said I will keep my vaada to both KJ & pakhi. Virat never imagined getting himself married to pakhi nor he tried fulfilled any husbandly duties towards pakhi he thought about d vaada coz he thought he can maintain it but in compare to his vaada to pakhi & marriage vows to sai he had valued his marriage more ye aapko uss terrace scene se pata chal jayega to grah pravesh ke baad virat was sad & pakhi wanted to know her position in his life .

Virat vaada turned baseless d moment pakhi don't fulfilled her part it has no value left. Acc 2 virat's vaada pakhi has to move on with samrat she don't have any responsibility or right on virat pakhi married samrat with intension to stay close to virat . What value thus that vaada hold ?

Pakhi has no majboor to marry samrat she can very easily backout coz final decision lies with d lady , virat was indept to KJ that why he agreed to marry sai

I agree about feeling things that marriage vows will not wash away feeling in one go but it upto d person also to respect d decision taken by him or herself.

It won’t have been fair to Samrat had he been around. But he is not. He hasn’t been from the time they got married. It’s not fair on Pakhi to be tied to him and only think of him when she barely knew him 🤷‍♀️

Throughout marriage jaisi koi baat hi nahi hai, because literally, her marriage lasted for a day. She was hung up on Virat but who knows ? Perhaps, over time, she could have fallen for Samrat. She wasn’t even given that opportunity because due to fate or whatever, her husband went MIA immediately after the wedding.

She is a terrible person for ignoring Virat’s wishes and trying to break SaiRat up. But I won’t fault her for not sticking to a non existent pati over this 🤷‍♀️

She should just leave Chavan Niwas and go back to her parents or start a life away from all this mess.

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

I termed it as cheating with samrat coz it was she who agreed for samrat's alliance , virat only requested her , last decision was her she had chance to backout but she choose to stay close to virat , is it fair with samrat , why she went with d marriage if she was least interested in d marriage.

virat never knew about pakhi's secret mission that she never intend 2 form a relationship with samrat . throughout marriage she dint paid any attention to samrat or marriage vows her sole attention was on virat, she imagined virat making her wear MS & filling her maang , is it fair with samrat .

Feelings I understand it don't have on off button but pakhi don't want to move on only , she always compete with sai thou she herself know she don't have right on virat. Virat's vaada don't give her any right on him .

Originally posted by: JugniPH

I'm sorry to interfere.. but I disagree with cheating samrat part. The interference of pakhi in sairat life is not just to seperate them..But she is competiting sai for the position of virat's wife. Whether it is coming to virat room at late night, or trying to have personal dinner with him or taking care of him in hospital pakhi's justification is why can't I if sai can have these with virat..??. That's wrong...She want the rights of virats wife when she is married to samrat. and that's exactly considered as cheating.

No matter what, institution of marriage deserve respect. Samrat being MIA or still a stranger for her doesn't give her any right to cross the boundaries. If she want she can simply go back to home , look for a way to end the marriage with samrat legally then do whatever she want...

Exactly , she coming to his room late night when his wife is not there, expecting him to create the special moments with her, since he had it with his wife is in a way cheating Samrat...Cheating just is not physical but emotional as well.. Have we heard of emotional cheating..I guess its too underrated in a marriage.. Coming back to Pakhi, was she not the one who asked questions like

"Meri life me tumhari kya jagah hai?"

"Sai mein aisa kya hai jo mujh me nahi hai?"

"Main tumhare bedroom mein dinner kyun nahi khaa sakti?"

"Tum apni biwi ke saath apne bedroom mein special moment mana sakte ho... toh ye moment special kyun nahi ho sakta?"
"Tumhari biwi hoti toh usse bhi jaane ko kehte?"
"Hamare guzre huye rishtey ko mat jhootlaao"

Is she supposed to ask these questions to a friend..Is she not cheating Samrat here, when she is asking these questions to Virat?

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

I m.sorry I disagree with u there is difference b/w pakhi & virat , pakhi imagined herself getting married to virat , she want rights of sai who is wife of virat thats why keep fighting with heras she want to fulfill wife duty towards virat

when in virat's dream he saved sai & decided to get married that time also he said I will keep my vaada to both KJ & pakhi. Virat never imagined getting himself married to pakhi nor he tried fulfilled any husbandly duties towards pakhi he thought about d vaada coz he thought he can maintain it but in compare to his vaada to pakhi & marriage vows to sai he had valued his marriage more ye aapko uss terrace scene se pata chal jayega to grah pravesh ke baad virat was sad & pakhi wanted to know her position in his life .

Virat vaada turned baseless d moment pakhi don't fulfilled her part it has no value left. Acc 2 virat's vaada pakhi has to move on with samrat she don't have any responsibility or right on virat pakhi married samrat with intension to stay close to virat . What value thus that vaada hold ?

Pakhi has no majboor to marry samrat she can very easily backout coz final decision lies with d lady , virat was indept to KJ that why he agreed to marry sai

I agree about feeling things that marriage vows will not wash away feeling in one go but it upto d person also to respect d decision taken by him or herself.

Hey

See I don't blame her for imagination or whatever she hallucinated during the wedding because both of them evidently had feelings for each other at that point. She's not at fault for having fallen for Virat. I basically dislike her for the present conduct towards Virat and the torture she inflicts on Sai. I hold both of them responsible for that stupid Vada. If Pakhi is at fault for me Virat is also equally at fault during the initial stage. You can't let him go just because he didn't imagine something. I think it's evident from the show Virat admitted to having Loved/ liked Pakhi. We as the audience knows they had no strong foundation, to begin with

Virat definitely broke the promise he gave Pakhi however stupid the Vada sounded. Pakhi didn't ask him for the promise. He himself did, hence he's accountable for it. Just like how I hold Pakhi accountable for her decision to marry Samrat. I respect him because he freed her off the Vada recently. But you can't deny that the Vada gave her false hopes. She did think that Virat will forever have her in his heart. Even in the terrace scene, he repeated their marriage being a deal-making Pakhi privy to his personal life-giving her leverage to interfere between him and Sai. They didn't show Pakhi being possessive during those episodes because acc to her Virat was still bound by the promise to her. She turned selfish and possessive the min she saw Viart move on with Sai. Even if Virat had only good intentions then Vada did give wrong signals to her since the first clarification came only during PD lunch track. So I don't think Vada turns automatically baseless as you said. It was Valid for Pakhi till the time he clarified on to her because the onus was on him to clarify his promise. Yes, it was Pakhis decision to marry Samrat at the end of the day but you can't deny Virat also emotionally manipulated her into it using the Vada. I don't think at that point she was thinking of an EMA, she just wanted a special place in his heart. Virat offered it, she accepted it. If she's wrong for buying that promise he's also equally wrong for promising that his SIL would be having a place in his heart forever. They ruined 3 lives with a stupid Vada. See I am a sairat shipper, so I will be happy but I can't overlook Virats faults when it comes to Vada

Also as someone posted before I don't blame Pakhi for not moving on with Samrat as he left soon after the marriage. But she and Virat are responsible for making him run away in the 1st place. They were no one to take a decision for Samrat. They should have acted more maturely. But as I see it rn when she's professing her love to Virat after wearing Samrat's mangalsutra is cheating. She should leave for her Maika instead of using her position as Samrat's wife to get closer to Virat. For me her pursuing a married man after repeated Nos is immoral. As far as Vada is concerned both are at fault for me but the min Pakhi turned selfish, started torturing Sai that's where she turns evil.

Originally posted by: gurl-enchanted

Rarely is it ever so black and white. Just because one is married, doesn’t mean that they signed away their right to be an individual. She is a horrible person for wanting to break Virat’s marriage with Sai, but that doesn’t make her a cheater. Especially not over an MIA husband that may not even be alive.

Marriage deserves respect, just like other people and institutions deserve respect in life. But just like in the case of the latter, respect is not anyone’s janam sidh adhikaar. You can’t demand respect. It is not unconditional.

I won’t fault her for wanting to be with another man in this kind of a marriage. I won’t even fault her for wanting Virat to be that man. But she is wrong for planning and plotting, and doing her best to separate SaiRat. That’s not love.

"I won’t fault her for wanting to be with another man in this kind of a marriage. I won’t even fault her for wanting Virat to be that man."

As long as she is staying in chavan navas as samrat's wife this is considered as cheating for me.as long as she is living in samrat's house, wearing mangalsutra of his name, claiming the rights of badi bahu of the house going behind virat is cheating her husband...just samrat being gayab won't make it otherwise..

We have 1000s of army men who are forced to leave their wives within days after their marriage.. their profession is like that..If you can't adjust to it then seperate from them and move on.. but still living with Mrs tag and taking lack of attention and time as a justification to go behind another married man is unacceptable to me..

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Exactly , she coming to his room late night when his wife is not there, expecting him to create the special moments with her, since he had it with his wife is in a way cheating Samrat...Cheating just is not physical but emotional as well.. Have we heard of emotional cheating..I guess its too underrated in a marriage.. Coming back to Pakhi, was she not the one who asked questions like

"Meri life me tumhari kya jagah hai?"

"Sai mein aisa kya hai jo mujh me nahi hai?"

"Main tumhare bedroom mein dinner kyun nahi khaa sakti?"

"Tum apni biwi ke saath apne bedroom mein special moment mana sakte ho... toh ye moment special kyun nahi ho sakta?"
"Tumhari biwi hoti toh usse bhi jaane ko kehte?"
"Hamare guzre huye rishtey ko mat jhootlaao"

Is she supposed to ask these questions to a friend..Is she not cheating Samrat here, when she is asking these questions to Virat?

She is suggesting an affairs with virat when she is staying in house as samrat wife.. she is wearing the mangalsutra of his name, call herself as badi bahu of chavan nivas, use the rights of samrats wife in the house..

If she break the relationship with samrat and go back to her home then try to win virat.. that won't be cheating.. but naah.. here she is using samrat as a hiding wall to have ema with devar

Originally posted by: JugniPH

She is suggesting an affairs with virat when she is staying in house as samrat wife.. she is wearing the mangalsutra of his name, call herself as badi bahu of chavan nivas, use the rights of samrats wife in the house..

If she break the relationship with samrat and go back to her home then try to win virat.. that won't be cheating.. but naah.. here she is using samrat as a hiding wall to have ema with devar

Exactly ..she enjoys the status of being the ghar ki badi bahu as per convenience and goes on demand Virat to giber her the same or better treatment than he gives to his wife, while there is no news of her husband.. She I think has even lost her humanity. At times it feels like she wishes Samrat to be dead and Sai to be out of the house, as it would giver her a chance to feed the minds of ghar ke bade that they can pair her up with Virat.. 😡

I’d agree to disagree here, but thank you for debating politely 🤗

Just one additional thing -

Coming from an armed forces background myself, I don’t think this is a similar comparison. When women marry men in the forces, they know what they are signing up for. There is a mutual understanding about the time apart and sacrifices to be made for the relationship. They aren’t marrying strangers who disappear from their life suddenly.

In Pakhi’s life, Samrat disappeared before she could even get to know him. After just one day. And he may have disappeared forever for all she knows. It is not wrong for her to want love in her life. A mangalsutra doesn’t change that she is an individual too with human needs.

She should leave the Chavan house and end this farce of a marriage with Samrat. She should leave Virat alone and if not feel happy for him, then atleast stop plotting against him and Sai.

But no, I won’t call her behaviour cheating at all. Had Samrat been there around her and she made moves on Virat - sure, it is cheating, because then one person is nibhaoing fidelity vows and the other isn’t.

But since he is MIA, there is literally no marital relationship to hold onto.

Originally posted by: JugniPH

"I won’t fault her for wanting to be with another man in this kind of a marriage. I won’t even fault her for wanting Virat to be that man."

As long as she is staying in chavan navas as samrat's wife this is considered as cheating for me.as long as she is living in samrat's house, wearing mangalsutra of his name, claiming the rights of badi bahu of the house going behind virat is cheating her husband...just samrat being gayab won't make it otherwise..

We have 1000s of army men whose are forced to leave their wives within days after their marriage.. their profession is like that..If you can't adjust to it then seperate from them and move on.. but still living with Mrs tag and taking lack of attention and time as a justification to go behind another married man is unacceptable to me..

Originally posted by: Anamika32

Hey

See I don't blame her for imagination or whatever she hallucinated during the wedding because both of them evidently had feelings for each other at that point. She's not at fault for having fallen for Virat. I basically dislike her for the present conduct towards Virat and the torture she inflicts on Sai. I hold both of them responsible for that stupid Vada. If Pakhi is at fault for me Virat is also equally at fault during the initial stage. You can't let him go just because he didn't imagine something. I think it's evident from the show Virat admitted to having Loved/ liked Pakhi. We as the audience knows they had no strong foundation, to begin with

Virat definitely broke the promise he gave Pakhi however stupid the Vada sounded. Pakhi didn't ask him for the promise. He himself did, hence he's accountable for it. Just like how I hold Pakhi accountable for her decision to marry Samrat. I respect him because he freed her off the Vada recently. But you can't deny that the Vada gave her false hopes. She did think that Virat will forever have her in his heart. Even in the terrace scene, he repeated their marriage being a deal-making Pakhi privy to his personal life-giving her leverage to interfere between him and Sai. They didn't show Pakhi being possessive during those episodes because acc to her Virat was still bound by the promise to her. She turned selfish and possessive the min she saw Viart move on with Sai. Even if Virat had only good intentions then Vada did give wrong signals to her since the first clarification came only during PD lunch track. So I don't think Vada turns automatically baseless as you said. It was Valid for Pakhi till the time he clarified on to her because the onus was on him to clarify his promise. Yes, it was Pakhis decision to marry Samrat at the end of the day but you can't deny Virat also emotionally manipulated her into it using the Vada. I don't think at that point she was thinking of an EMA, she just wanted a special place in his heart. Virat offered it, she accepted it. If she's wrong for buying that promise he's also equally wrong for promising that his SIL would be having a place in his heart forever. They ruined 3 lives with a stupid Vada. See I am a sairat shipper, so I will be happy but I can't overlook Virats faults when it comes to Vada

Also as someone posted before I don't blame Pakhi for not moving on with Samrat as he left soon after the marriage. But she and Virat are responsible for making him run away in the 1st place. They were no one to take a decision for Samrat. They should have acted more maturely. But as I see it rn when she's professing her love to Virat after wearing Samrat's mangalsutra is cheating. She should leave for her Maika instead of using her position as Samrat's wife to get closer to Virat. For me her pursuing a married man after repeated Nos is immoral. As far as Vada is concerned both are at fault for me but the min Pakhi turned selfish, started torturing Sai that's where she turns evil.

we can't hide pakhi's cheapness behind virat's vaada or samrat's MIA coz vaada was only 4 virat no where it is holding pakhi back.

Without vaada also it was pakhi who agreed to Marry to samrat , yes pakhi dint asked 4 d vaada but she didn't denied it also , infact pakhi was uninvited in Virat's room & was no ready to go out in order to throw her out of the room vaada came in but yes vaada was definitely stupid & impulsive , without virat's vaada also this woman would had married samrat.

How rudely pakhi reacted at mentioned of honeymoon which newly wedded woman behave in this way In arrange marriage where she herself had gave her consent twice & what wrong was said pakhi reacted this way tab samrat tha he only managed d situation after seeing her reaction most probably he decided to leave , pakhi never called samrat to even know whether he reached ladhak or not Ashwani pointed out this but pakhi kept on calling virat multiple by saying she needs him , I mean she never care to know where about of samrat but running after virat shamelessly , so it was not like Pakhi dint had opportunity to know samrat but truth she don't wanted to know samrat.

On wedding night she clear said she can't love anyone else which was heard by samrat for whom this marriage was normal not some deal marriage .

Yes definitely virat broke d vaada but tell me do vaada given to pakhi had any value infront of d promise given to KJ & marriage vows to sai, forget marriage vows tell which thing is more important vaada given to pakhi or vaada given to KJ.

On wedding night when sai threw pakhi out virat neither revolted nor said a single word to sai neither apologize to pakhi.

Pakhi clearly living as samrat's wife , she wear MS of samrat's name but want fulfill wifely duties for virat. Army officers wives do live in their house & do fulfill all their duties, here pakhi font care of mansi bua.

Tabhi meine kaha there is difference b/w virat & pakhi

Yes debate chalti so we can agree to disagree.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Because she cares for Virat and is concerned about him🤣