And the self-victimization CONTINUES...| DT note P.6 - Page 9

Originally posted by: Guneet80

@bold : Sure he's been raised like that. But an adult is fully, absolutely responsibile for their actions. Don't take that accountability away from the character.

People raised in an abusive home either turn out to be a great human being or an abuser themselves despite facing the same situation. So please, their actions are solely their responsibility despite what environment contributed.

Kindly don't put this character off the hook for the absolutely pathetic behaviour

I am not putting the character off the hook, I am simply saying that there is this thinking and behaviour in society which goes unnoticeable

And I know it was his choice to make and he did make a bad Choice. I was just trying to say that it was not only virat but every other person is doing the same thing and we don't even count that and it's all happening in real life not just only in fiction stories.

So my point was that we all need to improve and we can't improve until we don't realise where we are going wrong.

Let me give you an another example people all around the world use creams and cosmetics to look beautiful and in India it is done to look fair more than to look beautiful and I am in no way criticising the persons who use these products I am simply stating that it is inherent racism and we don't even acknowledge that we are racist and don't need to deny it because we all know that somewhere in our mind this difference of dark and fair exists.

And that's what I was saying that we have inherent patriarchy in our society at every step and we don't even acknowledged that.

I wws not defending anyone, I just found his (virat) behaviour related to patriarchical mindset and of writer too

Originally posted by: Shristhi2002

Haina, I felt mistakes are being searched in anything and everything he does.

I am sorry in advance if I am going to hurt any of the forum members in this thread.... I saw this tread but didn't wanted to involve because I felt this is going in some other direction,but couldn't stop myself after one specific comment so here I am, I agree he used to have feeling for patralekha, and he is still soft to her only because of guilt , as far as I can see nothing more than that, he never admired her in dresses or never looked forward to spend time with her or never ever wanted touch her , she is just his brother's wife since the day he got married, he sided her sometimes but same virat stood against her also, we can't ignore it.... and he believed she is matured girl who was stuck in mess somewhere bcoz of him but that wearing off day by day... yes I agree his guilt doesn't give him right to allow pakhi to insult sai, but frankly speaking in many situations both Sai pakhi conversation is like batminton match..... and yes, he also shouts on sai sometimes which even I hate... but no person is perfect , and virat is improving in that front.

While coming to feelings on sai , I agree with shristhi , laksh and fruitcusturd.... Virat never lusted on sai, he had genuine feeling for her which he is not aware of completely... he is in in his late 20's that doesn't mean he should everything, first love is confusing for everyone irrespective of their age. And I don't know why one person in his 20's can't have feelings for his young bride... I don't see any problem in that.. in fact I know so many couples who have age difference of 10 year and they love each other madly.... Virat didn't supported sai when he thought she is not right , that doesn't make he don't love her or he just list her.... I never saw any scene in which he actually looks at her with bad intentions or tried to touch her, in fact many of us in forum we're craving for typical ITV scenes like Dori tying, hand touching scenes to see some sexual tension between them which usually happens between couple .... And while coming to Holi episode... Even in state of baang also he didn't touched her inappropriate, he only touched her when he is confident that she is ok, the moment he felt she might be feeling awkward he said sorry and left from there... Isn't this giving respect to her feelings... For me this is love...he did some bad things in temper which I never support but seriously I don't want to judge in whole charector or his feelings for sai based on that.... There is need of more care, more trust between sairat but it is needed from both sides...

These are only my view, no intention of hurting someone, so sorry once again😊

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

I am sorry in advance if I am going to hurt any of the forum members in this thread.... I saw this tread but didn't wanted to involve because I felt this is going in some other direction,but couldn't stop myself after one specific comment so here I am, I agree he used to have feeling for patralekha, and he is still soft to her only because of guilt , as far as I can see nothing more than that, he never admired her in dresses or never looked forward to spend time with her or never ever wanted touch her , she is just his brother's wife since the day he got married, he sided her sometimes but same virat stood against her also, we can't ignore it.... and he believed she is matured girl who was stuck in mess somewhere bcoz of him but that wearing off day by day... yes I agree his guilt doesn't give him right to allow pakhi to insult sai, but frankly speaking in many situations both Sai pakhi conversation is like batminton match..... and yes, he also shouts on sai sometimes which even I hate... but no person is perfect , and virat is improving in that front.

While coming to feelings on sai , I agree with shristhi , laksh and fruitcusturd.... Virat never lusted on sai, he had genuine feeling for her which he is not aware of completely... he is in in his late 20's that doesn't mean he should everything, first love is confusing for everyone irrespective of their age. And I don't know why one person in his 20's can't have feelings for his young bride... I don't see any problem in that.. in fact I know so many couples who have age difference of 10 year and they love each other madly.... Virat didn't supported sai when he thought she is not right , that doesn't make he don't love her or he just list her.... I never saw any scene in which he actually looks at her with bad intentions or tried to touch her, in fact many of us in forum we're craving for typical ITV scenes like Dori tying, hand touching scenes to see some sexual tension between them which usually happens between couple .... And while coming to Holi episode... Even in state of baang also he didn't touched her inappropriate, he only touched her when he is confident that she is ok, the moment he felt she might be feeling awkward he said sorry and left from there... Isn't this giving respect to her feelings... For me this is love...he did some bad things in temper which I never support but seriously I don't want to judge in whole charector or his feelings for sai based on that.... There is need of more care, more trust between sairat but it is needed from both sides...

These are only my view, no intention of hurting someone, so sorry once again😊

absolutely agree with the age difference bit! I think it is wrong to say this because my parents also have an age difference of 9 years, it was an arranged marriage though they spent time with each other and fell in love, that does not mean my dad lusted for my mother just because she was younger to him.... their relationship is stronger even after 23 years of marriage and two children, ups and downs major fights and even staying separately for a little bit..... Both loved someone else before (I know this because they told me) but they moved on....

Relationships see their ups and downs and that is why I don't jump to conclusions maybe because I have the first-hand experience in seeing a rocky relationship despite there being immense love and respect for the other... Like I say life is not a bed of roses, we have our ups and downs, after all, we are human.....

Likewise, I see virat has completely moved on from pakhi (not that there was any love in the first place, infatuation sure) but he respects her and like you mentioned has guilt, because samrat is not there... the=ings would have been very different if samrat would have been around, somewhere he blames himself for putting her in that situation but that does not mean he loves her!

Originally posted by: Svt611

absolutely agree with the age difference bit! I think it is wrong to say this because my parents also have an age difference of 9 years, it was an arranged marriage though they spent time with each other and fell in love, that does not mean my dad lusted for my mother just because she was younger to him.... their relationship is stronger even after 23 years of marriage and two children, ups and downs major fights and even staying separately for a little bit..... Both loved someone else before (I know this because they told me) but they moved on....

Relationships see their ups and downs and that is why I don't jump to conclusions maybe because I have the first-hand experience in seeing a rocky relationship despite there being immense love and respect for the other... Like I say life is not a bed of roses, we have our ups and downs, after all, we are human.....

Likewise, I see virat has completely moved on from pakhi (not that there was any love in the first place, infatuation sure) but he respects her and like you mentioned has guilt, because samrat is not there... the=ings would have been very different if samrat would have been around, somewhere he blames himself for putting her in that situation but that does not mean he loves her!

So true, even my parents have age difference of 10 years and myself have age difference of 5 years with my partner ( which is not lot but age difference hai).... When a girl and a boy come into relationship of husband and wife , obviously feelings will be developed with time which will turn in love, seeking one's attention , or wanting to move ahead in a relationship with your partner with budding love is definitely not lust....

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

I am sorry in advance if I am going to hurt any of the forum members in this thread.... I saw this tread but didn't wanted to involve because I felt this is going in some other direction,but couldn't stop myself after one specific comment so here I am, I agree he used to have feeling for patralekha, and he is still soft to her only because of guilt , as far as I can see nothing more than that, he never admired her in dresses or never looked forward to spend time with her or never ever wanted touch her , she is just his brother's wife since the day he got married, he sided her sometimes but same virat stood against her also, we can't ignore it.... and he believed she is matured girl who was stuck in mess somewhere bcoz of him but that wearing off day by day... yes I agree his guilt doesn't give him right to allow pakhi to insult sai, but frankly speaking in many situations both Sai pakhi conversation is like batminton match..... and yes, he also shouts on sai sometimes which even I hate... but no person is perfect , and virat is improving in that front.

While coming to feelings on sai , I agree with shristhi , laksh and fruitcusturd.... Virat never lusted on sai, he had genuine feeling for her which he is not aware of completely... he is in in his late 20's that doesn't mean he should everything, first love is confusing for everyone irrespective of their age. And I don't know why one person in his 20's can't have feelings for his young bride... I don't see any problem in that.. in fact I know so many couples who have age difference of 10 year and they love each other madly.... Virat didn't supported sai when he thought she is not right , that doesn't make he don't love her or he just list her.... I never saw any scene in which he actually looks at her with bad intentions or tried to touch her, in fact many of us in forum we're craving for typical ITV scenes like Dori tying, hand touching scenes to see some sexual tension between them which usually happens between couple .... And while coming to Holi episode... Even in state of baang also he didn't touched her inappropriate, he only touched her when he is confident that she is ok, the moment he felt she might be feeling awkward he said sorry and left from there... Isn't this giving respect to her feelings... For me this is love...he did some bad things in temper which I never support but seriously I don't want to judge in whole charector or his feelings for sai based on that.... There is need of more care, more trust between sairat but it is needed from both sides...

These are only my view, no intention of hurting someone, so sorry once again😊

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Such a positive post yaar. Loved it. Agreed to everything you said. Even I am sorry if I hurt anyone as well now.

And let me clear one thing, some of us and some tagged members are saying this and agree to this doesn't mean we are supporters of Virat's all actions. You remember dear,we bashed Viru so much last night, but none crossed the line, it was fun but were facts as well. We stated facts, we see wrong in him, as he does those. But,we also see right in him. He is human being, he does mistakes, he should do mistakes. But,he also is right and a good human being, not a devil.

And I have said so earlier, and will say this, cuz,this is my opinion, that Virat is down to earth loyal to his wife. I felt really bad when someone said that he treats her (Sai) as a keep,pls, both are degrading very much. Keep and keeper, both are not very respectful words. As I have said, he feels guilty for Pakhi,and pls, sympathising is a human behaviour, characterised by hypothalamus to be more precise,cuz, the first thing anyone might know with Virat,is he is very complex layered character ,but his complexity is due to his emotions. Especially, strong human emotions like anger, guilt, sympathy, these can change a situation and these change Virat a lot as well. But,he never has harboured feelings for Pakhi after her or his marriage. So,this is a wrong claim and blame on him.

Thankyou for this yaar🤗🤗

Originally posted by: Svt611

absolutely agree with the age difference bit! I think it is wrong to say this because my parents also have an age difference of 9 years, it was an arranged marriage though they spent time with each other and fell in love, that does not mean my dad lusted for my mother just because she was younger to him.... their relationship is stronger even after 23 years of marriage and two children, ups and downs major fights and even staying separately for a little bit..... Both loved someone else before (I know this because they told me) but they moved on....

Relationships see their ups and downs and that is why I don't jump to conclusions maybe because I have the first-hand experience in seeing a rocky relationship despite there being immense love and respect for the other... Like I say life is not a bed of roses, we have our ups and downs, after all, we are human.....

Likewise, I see virat has completely moved on from pakhi (not that there was any love in the first place, infatuation sure) but he respects her and like you mentioned has guilt, because samrat is not there... the=ings would have been very different if samrat would have been around, somewhere he blames himself for putting her in that situation but that does not mean he loves her!

Even my parents have a six year age difference.

But ,my father is a totally different human being with my mom,like long lost friends, and he is super fun around her. But in general he is short tempered and angry old man. But with mom,he is kid.He respects her and she manages him the best.My parents were on the verge of separation after 19 years around 2 years ago, all due to a small spark of MU,but now they are like nothing happened at all. These things happen, but none have kept grudges between them now, but none blame each other for that incident,they blame themselves only. It didn't make them villain for each other. So,things happen. It's life.

Originally posted by: Shristhi2002

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Such a positive post yaar. Loved it. Agreed to everything you said. Even I am sorry if I hurt anyone as well now.

And let me clear one thing, some of us and some tagged members are saying this and agree to this doesn't mean we are supporters of Virat's all actions. You remember dear,we bashed Viru so much last night, but none crossed the line, it was fun but were facts as well. We stated facts, we see wrong in him, as he does those. But,we also see right in him. He is human being, he does mistakes, he should do mistakes. But,he also is right and a good human being, not a devil.

And I have said so earlier, and will say this, cuz,this is my opinion, that Virat is down to earth loyal to his wife. I felt really bad when someone said that he treats her (Sai) as a keep,pls, both are degrading very much. Keep and keeper, both are not very respectful words. As I have said, he feels guilty for Pakhi,and pls, sympathising is a human behaviour, characterised by hypothalamus to be more precise,cuz, the first thing anyone might know with Virat,is he is very complex layered character ,but his complexity is due to his emotions. Especially, strong human emotions like anger, guilt, sympathy, these can change a situation and these change Virat a lot as well. But,he never has harboured feelings for Pakhi after her or his marriage. So,this is a wrong claim and blame on him.

Thankyou for this yaar🤗🤗

@ bold... Hahaha how can I forget that, we do his bezzathi like anything but in fun way...🤣🤣... Some people might think we make fun out of serious thread without understanding the gravity of situation in serial and person's opinion... But plz trust us guys .. we just try to lighten our mood from the worst episode, we discuss every aspect , we even bash charectors for their wrong doing , at the same time we appreciate when the charector is good and give benefit of doubt in some situations but only in fun way for peace of our own mind, but not to disrespect any of the forum members...

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

@ bold... Hahaha how can I forget that, we do his bezzathi like anything but in fun way...🤣🤣... Some people might think we make fun out of serious thread without understanding the gravity of situation in serial and person's opinion... But plz trust us guys .. we just try to lighten our mood from the worst episode, we discuss every aspect , we even bash charectors for their wrong doing , at the same time we appreciate when the charector is good and give benefit of doubt in some situations but only in fun way for peace of our own mind, but not to disrespect any of the forum members...

Exactly, we just find peace by making ghum into gutur gu🤣

And ,due to this,actually more people Express their views as they feel positive.

Virat never loved or talked about loving Pakhi after his or her marriage. Sure @ 1:44 lol...

https://twitter.com/SaiJoshi_Loops/status/1384382545328939012?s=19

And the kinda conversions he had on phone with her after she married Samrat knowingly & where she openly talks about loving him and needing him beside her which hints her intention. It's morally and ethically wrong. Idk how can anyone turn a blind eye to it just cos they didn't have physical affair. And especially after Virat used to throw big claims of loving Samrat & all. Didn't he realize it's one kind of a betrayal? Also, continuing to have your bro's wife in your heart for lifetime is wrong on so many levels. Not my fault if y'all can't see how problematic his so-called vaada & commitment towards Pakhi was.

Originally posted by: BBFanForever

Virat never loved or talked about loving Pakhi after his or her marriage. Sure @ 1:44 lol...

https://twitter.com/SaiJoshi_Loops/status/1384382545328939012?s=19

And the kinda conversions he had on phone with her after she married Samrat knowingly & where she openly talks about loving him and needing him beside her which hints her intention. It's morally and ethically wrong. Idk how can anyone turn a blind eye to it just cos they didn't have physical affair. And especially after Virat used to throw big claims of loving Samrat & all. Didn't he realize it's one kind of a betrayal? Also, continuing to have your bro's wife in your heart for lifetime is wrong on so many levels. Not my fault if y'all can't see how problematic his so-called vaada & commitment towards Pakhi was.

It's not betrayal coz virat was never in any kind of relationship with pakhi , feelings don't have on or off button , ki shaadi ho gayi then he will start loving sai immediately. Virat never stepped out of d room or said one word when sai closed door on pakhi's face on first night.

He never holded pakhi back , it was he only who kept asking pakhi to move on .

On wedding night phone call also d first thing virat asked where is samrat , he kept on telling how awesome samrat was , even he said samrat would be a awesome frnd to her even better than him .

Same virat defended sai in pakhi's house infront of pakhi & her parents.