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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: sukri

The story as of now is only about Sai, how Sai is adjusting in the new life after her aaba, her dreams and college despite challenges thrown in front of her, despite having a pendulum for a husband (esp given the amount of screen space Virat gets). The main challenge for her is to get Devi and Pulkit married, not matter what.


Sai's character grew when she changed her tactic to deal with Chavans. She will find a mentor in form of Prof Pulkit, who was needed not only for Devi but also Sai as she truly needed someone who can guide her and is unbiased to her problems as a third party.


The reason she brings Pakhi not supporting the wedding is because she knows Virat can switch sides anytime as he is biased towards his family.


She mentioned already she doesn't need anyone to fight for her. She can fight herself even if Virat doesn't support and win it too. This spirit is the only reason she can go to college, be herself, study and even dance despite what happens at home.


Sai doesn't care about Chavans as of now. I care about Ashwini, Shivani, Mohit and Devi only coz Sai cares about them. If she didn't, I will also ignore them (e.g. Mansi bua). Thats why I think if Sai doesn't care for a character, we shouldn't either.


I intend to start caring about Virat when she starts caring for him. Until then there is no point of getting upset episode scene where he is unsupportive of her or jumps into conclusion about her.


I feel for next few days, we should enjoy Sai and ignore Virat, Pakhi and other family members.


If we don't, then our bp is going to ping pong just like him.


Kya Baat boli hai Sukri 😆👏

You've pumped up the dum in me again 🤣

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Ufffff after very long discussion in twitter and being labelled as sai stan at the end I am here finally 😂😂😂.

I kind of lost interest with the shabby execution of this track. Misunderstanding is not leading to seperation here but misunderstandings are being created just because they want them to seperate🤦🤦🤦. I mean so many loop holes so many questions unasked by ML and family.

I literally laughed at myself for thinking that harini will be in limelight😂😂😂. Virat was so damn chilled about her existence.

And his jo beet gaya so beet gaya attitude put me off badly. He is a cop afterall😡. And which cop doesn't want to essentially dig into facts before forming an opinion. I so wish he was into some other field.

And thankgod for the smaller mercies. Sai didn't stamp the fact that harini is devi tais daughter. Otherwise I would have gone bonkers.

The lazy writing from the team is so palpable which is peppered with third class editing 🤦🤦🤦.

But no point in taking sides in this track. I will just sit back and enjoy Sai's fierceness in doing what is morally correct.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Where is this reunion by Holi thing coming from? As I see it, there is zero chance of that happening. There maybe a separation by Holi..maybe. This super slow rail gaadi needs a huge push to get out of the zimmedari station..it will take a while. If we want to pick a festival for the reunion, I think gudi padwa makes more sense 😊.


About the episode - I appreciate your patience to analyze this episode. It was annoying to the power of infinity. I'm tired of this one note Virat who cries at the drop of a hat and misses all the important questions. And this Vahini who is always eavesdropping. Bleh. My fault for watching. 😒

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ishradivani

Ufffff after very long discussion in twitter and being labelled as sai stan at the end I am here finally 😂😂😂.

I kind of lost interest with the shabby execution of this track. Misunderstanding is not leading to seperation here but misunderstandings are being created just because they want them to seperate🤦🤦🤦. I mean so many loop holes so many questions unasked by ML and family.

I literally laughed at myself for thinking that harini will be in limelight😂😂😂. Virat was so damn chilled about her existence.

And his jo beet gaya so beet gaya attitude put me off badly. He is a cop afterall😡. And which cop doesn't want to essentially dig into facts before forming an opinion. I so wish he was into some other field.

And thankgod for the smaller mercies. Sai didn't stamp the fact that harini is devi tais daughter. Otherwise I would have gone bonkers.

The lazy writing from the team is so palpable which is peppered with third class editing 🤦🤦🤦.

But no point in taking sides in this track. I will just sit back and enjoy Sai's fierceness in doing what is morally correct.

Sai character is supposed to be that way as of now.. chupa kar mahaan toh nahi bani hai ab tak as such..

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Good afternoon sisterhood!


Today I am not in the mood to analyse the episode -- it might be moving towards the eventual separation but it is so badly done that it is too hard not to object.


My issue today is not about the "dosti" conversation. In fact, I didn't mind that scene per se. But my issue is with the placement of it, after completely ignoring the more important issue at hand - Devyani's life. It is pointless analysing the behaviour of the characters in the Devyani track because it is not written well. Forget being an IPS officer, any brother who claims to have love for sister and family will want to know what happened to her 8 years ago.

My problem is with the lack of "outrage" that Virat often seems to have for his family. He has only showed his outrage at Sai during the various fights they have had in view of the family but this was a subject where the outrage was must. He doesn't show outrage or objection to anything that the family does. That is what makes me question his conditioning as a character -- it comes across as such a weak male protagonist, who really does waver on his principle of justice.

The issue I had even with the honeymoon track -- the morning scene where the suggestion was first made of Virat accompanying Vahini -- he did not "object". Yes, he did on the day they were to leave when he said, "Sorry Kaku, we won't go sightseeing" but then he diluted the entire fight with his absolute need to avoid the open confrontation and sound like both parties involved in the ruckus are at fault. Now, all that can be taken as part of his 'characterisation'.

It brings me to the point of comparison -- because we all know there have been two versions but I would like to say that it is pointless to compare. Virat in this version is written differently. He is actually a person who comes across as having multiple personalities -- to me, it is a character that lacks overall conviction for a cause, unless it is out and out miscarriage of justice. He continues to give the benefit of doubts to his 'blood ties' and to the one tie that has him attached in some way-- Patralekha. He doesn't know what to feel for her. It is not love but there is a sense of responsibility and some amount of guilt combined with his people-pleasing quality that he wants to brush on to Sai. I am willing to accept this as a character trait of Virat. But make it come across convincingly.

But the whole approach to the current track is pathetic in terms of the plot. I cannot blame it on the characterisation because the gaps are so glaringly left by the creative team -- they are coming across as a deliberate loose string to create a misunderstanding where it can be totally avoided. Don't tell me that this man is an IPS officer -- he can't be. One doesn't become an IPS by just strutting around in a Khaki, it requires aptitude. That aptitude goes beyond saying "hmmm..." on some occasions. Virat was shown as observing the reactions of this elders and also Devyani but what is a let down is that they -- he and she both-- don't want to talk about Harini. He didn't even bother to ask, "How old is she? She must be very old... have you met her? What does she look like?" It was such a revelation that his "Are you sure" was absolutely justified and I also actually liked the fact that Sai couldn't be sure -- she could only say "Pulkit Sir ne bola hai..." because the information was confirmed only in the temple and there was no time to process. But what is stopping them/her now. Why couldn't the Mama-Mami decide to visit the girl and meet her? Why wouldn't Sai tell him lets go and meet her?

The "ateet ko rehne do" was a totally thumbs down reaction -- what if his elders had committed infanticide? Ateet ko rehne do? An IPS officer wanting to cover up the toxicity of his family? I would not have a problem that he has doubts in the story -- it is actually needed that he should doubt both sides, question and investigate before declaring that "shaadi hogi". He should find out details to convince himself why he shouldn't believe the ghar ke bade rather than going blindly with what has been told to him.But this "ateet ko rehne do" seems like his need to keep the secret buried and not peel off the whitewash because he has to still go and mollify the ghar ke bade and the sabse badi spokesperson.

I found it absolutely foolish that one team of the family agreed to the wedding in a matter of minutes of a man walking in and claiming that the daughter had been married to him. It's okay that everyone wants to believe the claim, but just to decide that it's going to be hunky dory and plan shopping for the wedding without sitting down to resolve the issue is plain stupid -- this can happen only on a TV show.

To top it, in their private space -- one investigator by profession and other by nature -- don't talk about the possible hurdle that will be created.

Why I can't identify with Sai as well at the moment -- and again, I am not blaming the character but the sloppy writing. The creative team is at a loss what to do with the Harini information. They won't be able to justify the misunderstanding because all it needs is a simple background check that even a non-IPS brother can do. It doesn't have anything to do with Sai's maturity or immaturity. Even considering that we must accept this as Sai's character trait, it is not convincing enough. The reason is that the difference between Sai and Virat is "outrage". Sai expresses her outrage. She cannot cover tracks of others or whitewash the wrong. She is seen as someone who goes out of the way to find out details and prove her point. She was the one who realised that Shivani did not have any proof against Amey fleecing her money. In an instant, she knew that the only way to trap him was to make him confess. So, in this case, set aside all that has not been under her control so far, including Pulkit inviting himself home and her not getting the chance to tell Virat anything because she first wanted to be sure and had misunderstood the Madhuri angle and thereafter there was 'no time' to say it, I still find her lack of application of mind out of character. She is impulsive but she is also intelligent. I can't digest that despite knowing that they Pakaku gang will plot something, she's not pushing Virat to find out the entire truth. If he said ateet ko rehne do, it was also Sai's silence to it that bothered me -- it is because the 'script' is like that.

We are saying she has believed Devyani and Pulkit and she knows the family is evil -- she knew that even during the Amey track that Shivani was right. In fact, Amey's case was more open and shut but she went out of her way to prove Shivani innocent. Here, the story is still under the wraps and she has not been shown as being curious to learn what happened to Harini. The reason why she didn't tell Virat anything was that she wanted to learn the entire truth first-- but she still hasn't learnt it. Virat said, "Thank you for doing what you have done for Tai" and it seems like that is the end of the story and the wedding is all that matters? 🤪 It did not fit with me that Sai didn't tell Virat that let's go and meet PD Sir to discuss a few things.

It is the fault of this absolutely taken for granted intelligence.

The amount of energy expended on that pointless fight in the zillat arena -- so repetitive and futile should be spent on speaking to the concerned persons and finding out the truth. I really want to see a Sai Pulkit scene that has some in dept conversation about Harini.. and how can Mama Mami not want to visit her?

Coming to the dosti conversation and the peeping tom:

The scene was badly placed... nevertheles, my take on it -

This bone will remain stuck in their throats, making it unable for them to speak. One person has to break the cycle and that person is Virat. He has to first begin by not pushing Sai to believe that he thinks Vahini and she are on the same platform -- the deal, vaada come later. His constant need to tell her to behave, empathise with someone as foolish as Vahini is the first block in breaking the barrier -- it is because he doesn't interact with the family as much as Sai and I have mentioned this before as well-- most men think domestic squabbles are petty issues because they are not involved in it directly. Same here.

I thought his whole Vahini ko "galat mat samjho" was not from the perspective of his soft corner for her -- he can see what she is doing to Sai. It was more from the point of asking Sai to try to find a path to peace because in his mind this is the family they have to eventually live with and two members can't be at loggerheads like that. It was badly conveyed -- right after the series of interruptions and taana kasi that Vahini has done since their fight -- it is only a day old matter.

He needs to tell her of course that this marriage is not a five year deal -- when she uttered that sentence today, she was really looking for him to deny the fact and assure her. But all he came up with was "Isse jyada na kuch bolunga na bola jayega " and a tear wiping! All he needs to say first is "You don't have to leave after five years". But no - he won't.

Yes, I believe he conveyed a lot of his emotions during his apology but he was inarticulate and vague. "I am your family" is also a sentence spoken after he said, "Parivaar is zimmedari" once to her. She wants to hear more than the family word. Just a few minutes ago, she gave him her hand and said, "You can hold my hand in good moments, it is not restricted".... so what amount of courage does he need to tell her, "You don't have to leave?"

Her reaction to the dosti word is obvious if he continues to make her feel like Vahini is a misunderstood person even after she has said it to his face that she thinks they are in 'love'. He has not yet answered that question or cleared it. His "mera sach" about Sai having bohat mayne in his life did not convey his "mera sach" that he spoke to Vahini. He should have told Sai both the "mera sach" parts. She would have then understood his "whole sach". Yes, he has declared he would leave the house with Sai and it was a big statement coming from him but Sai wanted to hear it again in their private space -- "Main 5 saal me chali jaungi" and her wait to hear his response was the same as his during the apology when he wanted her to deny his suggestion that he means nothing to her.

Despite having their moments of intimacies, their hesitation in accepting facts before one another is acceptable -- it can be a slow process and the awkwardness about addressing the main issue that ails their relationship will remain. But Virat should stop getting offended at Sai's response because just like we expect Sai (19) to understand him (28), he also needs to actually comprehend that he's expecting a teenager to show patience for what he cannot even express...

Only if this dosti conversation between them had happened after at least two more sentences were spoken about Devyani and Harini, it would have been fine.

Vahini not being noticed by Virat was silly but her disappointment -- to me -- came from hearing Virat wanting to make Sai his "dost". I wish she had entered the room today but she actually showed restraint.

There is a reason why she came after they spoke about Harini -- because this is the forced plot for the misunderstanding ... I really hope they can address this illogical writing in the next couple of episodes or the story is really going to turn into a sour one.



I was really not in the mood to write much... but likh hi diya. It's a total rant today... I guess the complete lack of logic will not be digestible for too long.

Hope you lovelies are having a fab day otherwise.

Lots of love, hugs, coffees and teas to retain sanity!


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hey nice post... my mom ones told me ur 1st and let crush is ur husband. Never mention to him when u get married that u had someone else. Not even when he is in a good mode and you are talking in general.
well I brought this topic for this dosti reason.

For me Sai is that girl who cannot let go the fact so easily that her husband has a soft corner for someone else. I get she doesn’t know whether she like Virat or not. But this crap started in couple of episodes she has always thought about good moments of her and Virat. The thought that she is married to a guy who doesn’t love her (not may be that time) is itself very horrifying for a girl who has entered in altogether a new place and where people doesn’t leave an opportunity to disrespect her.

About 5 years thing. I have noticed she says that to Virat whenever he pushes her to befriend with Pakhi. And importantly I guess sai reminds herself that she cannot move ahead since her husband has clearly stated that he loves someone else even before marriage. So this dosti with Pakhi irritates to core.

Dosti Shbad say nafrat coz this dosti has given her pain and obviously coz of this dosti everyday she starts her day with answering back when the limit is crossed. To think about this girl. Lost her father. Married but can’t expect from her husband. Ex-lover of her husband doesn’t leave an opportunity to bring her to knees. In-laws doesn’t respect her. Unlike Karishma she is been Call her uncivilized. And cheery on the top husband wants dosti between the two. Why should she befriend with a woman who is against her for no fault of her.

Anyways.... today I really wanted sai to see Pakhi and remind her of her own words aise chup kisi ki baate nhi sunte on a lighter tone thank god Sai said she have no interest in being VIRAT’s friend or else if she would have accepted Pakhi would have started wha sai wha phele Meri jagah leli. Ab Meri dosti bhi leli


for me Virat is hopeless no hopes from him as if now

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav


Until the fight where she directly mentioned her issue and asked him questions about his feelings for Vahini, I would have agreed that he didn't know what she is feeling and what she is thinking. But now, he knows that she feels he loves Vahini -- he even went and told Vahini that. But he cannot tell that to Sai because only Bappa knows how else they will drag 400 episodes. smiley36 I agree that she can read him. She understood that on the day he asked her, "Mujhse bhi ...pyaar nahi karti ho?" And, he didn't get her point- she didn't say, "No". She said no to his friendship offer twice but not when he asked if she doesn't think him as worthy enough to be loved. But he can't read her and when she asks him the question directly, he doesn't want to answer. Now, i do get the fact that he is a man who won't react in the heat of the moment to something like that -- i myself said that the other day, but he's not brushing the subject under the carpet by losing all the chances he has to clarify to her that he doesn't "love" Vahini. It was easier for him to tell Vahini that in such an apologetic way but he can't clear it for Sai's mind. smiley24smiley24

>>> They will run the entire serial on this at least for 100-200 episodes more i guess. He knows she was angry which led to that fight and she said some things as she was upset about the entire incident. He still does not know what she feels. In the conversation he only picked up "She thinks i am in love with Pakhi". There was a point she raised why did you tell me "Not to expect anything from me". That one line reflected how vulnerable she is with her feelings.

Baiko needs to ask the question once again which she asked him before marriage "Aap toh mujhse pyaar nahi karte" his answer will might at the moment. And Navra needs to pick up hints as well. He is not reading her, he only reads her reactions to his actions. He said it right during the fight, she has built walls around her, but he needs to find out why?

All said and done, i do like their love story - its different and the progression seems real. As you said even todays scene was worth a watch, just that it was misplaced.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: sukri

The story as of now is only about Sai, how Sai is adjusting in the new life after her aaba, her dreams and college despite challenges thrown in front of her, despite having a pendulum for a husband (esp given the amount of screen space Virat gets). The main challenge for her is to get Devi and Pulkit married, not matter what.


Sai's character grew when she changed her tactic to deal with Chavans. She will find a mentor in form of Prof Pulkit, who was needed not only for Devi but also Sai as she truly needed someone who can guide her and is unbiased to her problems as a third party.


The reason she brings Pakhi not supporting the wedding is because she knows Virat can switch sides anytime as he is biased towards his family.


She mentioned already she doesn't need anyone to fight for her. She can fight herself even if Virat doesn't support and win it too. This spirit is the only reason she can go to college, be herself, study and even dance despite what happens at home.


Sai doesn't care about Chavans as of now. I care about Ashwini, Shivani, Mohit and Devi only coz Sai cares about them. If she didn't, I will also ignore them (e.g. Mansi bua). Thats why I think if Sai doesn't care for a character, we shouldn't either.


I intend to start caring about Virat when she starts caring for him. Until then there is no point of getting upset episode scene where he is unsupportive of her or jumps into conclusion about her.


I feel for next few days, we should enjoy Sai and ignore Virat, Pakhi and other family members.


If we don't, then our bp is going to ping pong just like him.

Hahahahha, best post I saw today! Really gonna stop caring about anyone but Sai!

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Fabulous post by you, Janki! 🤗❤️

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Posted: 5 years ago
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I can't help but feel like the writers are confused between what to change and what not to change from the original script of KD.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShipIsSailing

I can't help but feel like the writers are confused between what to change and what not to change from the original script of KD.


That is exactly my point - they don't have the passion for the story as it is not their own. But the characters are their own-- tweaked as per the demand of Hindi TV standards. So in patches, they are unconvinced about copy-pasting and they don't know what to do.

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