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Posted: 5 years ago
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Terrible episode 🤢. The most underwhelming part today was definitely Virat's lack of concern for so called 'beloved' sister - no concern in knowing what exactly happened to her, whether Pulkit is a trustworthy person, anxiety to meet and know more about Harini, the mixed feelings of sadness at his dil-ke-ache family coming undone and outrage over Devyani's condition. Instead we got "atheeth ko bhoolna" and "gharwalon ko bura lagega". Is he trying to cover up the crime - being an ACP that too?🤬


This whole track is being treated casually - as if the Chavan family was guilty of separating two lovers - and not of separating a child from its mother and rendering the mother mentally unstable for 10 years.

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Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Good afternoon sisterhood!


Today I am not in the mood to analyse the episode -- it might be moving towards the eventual separation but it is so badly done that it is too hard not to object.


My issue today is not about the "dosti" conversation. In fact, I didn't mind that scene per se. But my issue is with the placement of it, after completely ignoring the more important issue at hand - Devyani's life. It is pointless analysing the behaviour of the characters in the Devyani track because it is not written well. Forget being an IPS officer, any brother who claims to have love for sister and family will want to know what happened to her 8 years ago.

My problem is with the lack of "outrage" that Virat often seems to have for his family. He has only showed his outrage at Sai during the various fights they have had in view of the family but this was a subject where the outrage was must. He doesn't show outrage or objection to anything that the family does. That is what makes me question his conditioning as a character -- it comes across as such a weak male protagonist, who really does waver on his principle of justice.


>> Initially i found it stupid and illogical as to how can you not react with a news like this. But the man is made that way, he does not react and that's from day one. He does not show his emotional side or may be is not inclined emotionally to anyone in house (may be his mother & his Jeeva). He is not emotionally connected with anyone, he feels bad yes but not connected. He would do anything for his family, let go of everything no because he is connected to them but because he is made himself that way.

The only person he connects emotionally is his deal wali wife, in a very weird way she is the only one he opens up to (emotionally). Either she is the reason for his emotional outburst or the one he wants to share this things. And he will also land up hurting her the most.

Sometimes I feel what Vedi vahini says is right, he cant see anything else apart from her. He is excited for his sisters wedding but he is more interested in knowing what his wife thinks. Cliched but that's at times how a man thinks. A least interested man in any issues would want to do many things only because the one person he is connected to wants to do it. Virat is that kind of a man. (Police mein kyun hain ye nahi pata......But may be he might want to think once he is out of that house for while). Rational thinking comes when you are out of the periphery.


The issue I had even with the honeymoon track -- the morning scene where the suggestion was first made of Virat accompanying Vahini -- he did not "object". Yes, he did on the day they were to leave when he said, "Sorry Kaku, we won't go sightseeing" but then he diluted the entire fight with his absolute need to avoid the open confrontation and sound like both parties involved in the ruckus are at fault. Now, all that can be taken as part of his 'characterisation'.

It brings me to the point of comparison -- because we all know there have been two versions but I would like to say that it is pointless to compare. Virat in this version is written differently. He is actually a person who comes across as having multiple personalities -- to me, it is a character that lacks overall conviction for a cause, unless it is out and out miscarriage of justice. He continues to give the benefit of doubts to his 'blood ties' and to the one tie that has him attached in some way-- Patralekha. He doesn't know what to feel for her. It is not love but there is a sense of responsibility and some amount of guilt combined with his people-pleasing quality that he wants to brush on to Sai. I am willing to accept this as a character trait of Virat. But make it come across convincingly.


>>> He has openly told vahini he has no feelings for her and cant have any. Well that's for real, he does not. So does he have feeling for Sai, well that he is yet to know. But he will never clear that part to Sai as for him he is falling for Sai because of her and not because he has now fallen out of someone. Thats the chemical jhol in his brain which thinks cant she see what i do for her, feel for etc... And thats the reason he feels hurt. Thinking like this is not an issue and he is apt but the only jhol ACP saheb did was the jaap he did for i dont know how many episodes about Farz, Zimmedari, dosti and what not.

Virat will never be able to take a stand as he is made that way, he will always weigh and then respond. Hence most of times he lands up supporting Sai as she is spontaneous and responds what he has in mind. He wants to but does not, he is very calculative in his approach.



But the whole approach to the current track is pathetic in terms of the plot. I cannot blame it on the characterisation because the gaps are so glaringly left by the creative team -- they are coming across as a deliberate loose string to create a misunderstanding where it can be totally avoided. Don't tell me that this man is an IPS officer -- he can't be. One doesn't become an IPS by just strutting around in a Khaki, it requires aptitude. That aptitude goes beyond saying "hmmm..." on some occasions. Virat was shown as observing the reactions of this elders and also Devyani but what is a let down is that they -- he and she both-- don't want to talk about Harini. He didn't even bother to ask, "How old is she? She must be very old... have you met her? What does she look like?" It was such a revelation that his "Are you sure" was absolutely justified and I also actually liked the fact that Sai couldn't be sure -- she could only say "Pulkit Sir ne bola hai..." because the information was confirmed only in the temple and there was no time to process. But what is stopping them/her now. Why couldn't the Mama-Mami decide to visit the girl and meet her? Why wouldn't Sai tell him lets go and meet her?

The "ateet ko rehne do" was a totally thumbs down reaction -- what if his elders had committed infanticide? Ateet ko rehne do? An IPS officer wanting to cover up the toxicity of his family? I would not have a problem that he has doubts in the story -- it is actually needed that he should doubt both sides, question and investigate before declaring that "shaadi hogi". He should find out details to convince himself why he shouldn't believe the ghar ke bade rather than going blindly with what has been told to him.But this "ateet ko rehne do" seems like his need to keep the secret buried and not peel off the whitewash because he has to still go and mollify the ghar ke bade and the sabse badi spokesperson.

I found it absolutely foolish that one team of the family agreed to the wedding in a matter of minutes of a man walking in and claiming that the daughter had been married to him. It's okay that everyone wants to believe the claim, but just to decide that it's going to be hunky dory and plan shopping for the wedding without sitting down to resolve the issue is plain stupid -- this can happen only on a TV show.

To top it, in their private space -- one investigator by profession and other by nature -- don't talk about the possible hurdle that will be created.

Why I can't identify with Sai as well at the moment -- and again, I am not blaming the character but the sloppy writing. The creative team is at a loss what to do with the Harini information. They won't be able to justify the misunderstanding because all it needs is a simple background check that even a non-IPS brother can do. It doesn't have anything to do with Sai's maturity or immaturity. Even considering that we must accept this as Sai's character trait, it is not convincing enough. The reason is that the difference between Sai and Virat is "outrage". Sai expresses her outrage. She cannot cover tracks of others or whitewash the wrong. She is seen as someone who goes out of the way to find out details and prove her point. She was the one who realised that Shivani did not have any proof against Amey fleecing her money. In an instant, she knew that the only way to trap him was to make him confess. So, in this case, set aside all that has not been under her control so far, including Pulkit inviting himself home and her not getting the chance to tell Virat anything because she first wanted to be sure and had misunderstood the Madhuri angle and thereafter there was 'no time' to say it, I still find her lack of application of mind out of character. She is impulsive but she is also intelligent. I can't digest that despite knowing that they Pakaku gang will plot something, she's not pushing Virat to find out the entire truth. If he said ateet ko rehne do, it was also Sai's silence to it that bothered me -- it is because the 'script' is like that.

We are saying she has believed Devyani and Pulkit and she knows the family is evil -- she knew that even during the Amey track that Shivani was right. In fact, Amey's case was more open and shut but she went out of her way to prove Shivani innocent. Here, the story is still under the wraps and she has not been shown as being curious to learn what happened to Harini. The reason why she didn't tell Virat anything was that she wanted to learn the entire truth first-- but she still hasn't learnt it. Virat said, "Thank you for doing what you have done for Tai" and it seems like that is the end of the story and the wedding is all that matters? 🤪 It did not fit with me that Sai didn't tell Virat that let's go and meet PD Sir to discuss a few things.

It is the fault of this absolutely taken for granted intelligence.

The amount of energy expended on that pointless fight in the zillat arena -- so repetitive and futile should be spent on speaking to the concerned persons and finding out the truth. I really want to see a Sai Pulkit scene that has some in dept conversation about Harini.. and how can Mama Mami not want to visit her?

Coming to the dosti conversation and the peeping tom:

The scene was badly placed... nevertheles, my take on it -

This bone will remain stuck in their throats, making it unable for them to speak. One person has to break the cycle and that person is Virat. He has to first begin by not pushing Sai to believe that he thinks Vahini and she are on the same platform -- the deal, vaada come later. His constant need to tell her to behave, empathise with someone as foolish as Vahini is the first block in breaking the barrier -- it is because he doesn't interact with the family as much as Sai and I have mentioned this before as well-- most men think domestic squabbles are petty issues because they are not involved in it directly. Same here.

I thought his whole Vahini ko "galat mat samjho" was not from the perspective of his soft corner for her -- he can see what she is doing to Sai. It was more from the point of asking Sai to try to find a path to peace because in his mind this is the family they have to eventually live with and two members can't be at loggerheads like that. It was badly conveyed -- right after the series of interruptions and taana kasi that Vahini has done since their fight -- it is only a day old matter.

He needs to tell her of course that this marriage is not a five year deal -- when she uttered that sentence today, she was really looking for him to deny the fact and assure her. But all he came up with was "Isse jyada na kuch bolunga na bola jayega " and a tear wiping! All he needs to say first is "You don't have to leave after five years". But no - he won't.

Yes, I believe he conveyed a lot of his emotions during his apology but he was inarticulate and vague. "I am your family" is also a sentence spoken after he said, "Parivaar is zimmedari" once to her. She wants to hear more than the family word. Just a few minutes ago, she gave him her hand and said, "You can hold my hand in good moments, it is not restricted".... so what amount of courage does he need to tell her, "You don't have to leave?"


>>> This was a nice scene and a sensible conversation but misplaced. HArini discussion and this scene should not have been in the same sentence. It took the essence of both the sences. I will blame it on the writer and the director for this one.

@Bold - He cant cause he does not know where she stands right now. He keeps on asking what she feels but she avoids. I dont mind such scenes as they are interesting to watch. But place them properly.


Her reaction to the dosti word is obvious if he continues to make her feel like Vahini is a misunderstood person even after she has said it to his face that she thinks they are in 'love'. He has not yet answered that question or cleared it. His "mera sach" about Sai having bohat mayne in his life did not convey his "mera sach" that he spoke to Vahini. He should have told Sai both the "mera sach" parts. She would have then understood his "whole sach". Yes, he has declared he would leave the house with Sai and it was a big statement coming from him but Sai wanted to hear it again in their private space -- "Main 5 saal me chali jaungi" and her wait to hear his response was the same as his during the apology when he wanted her to deny his suggestion that he means nothing to her.

Despite having their moments of intimacies, their hesitation in accepting facts before one another is acceptable -- it can be a slow process and the awkwardness about addressing the main issue that ails their relationship will remain. But Virat should stop getting offended at Sai's response because just like we expect Sai (19) to understand him (28), he also needs to actually comprehend that he's expecting a teenager to show patience for what he cannot even express...


>> Actually i think she reads him well and she knows what he is feeling but she is looking for verbal confirmation. He on the other hand is not able to read the questions or answer the questions which she is asking. The 18 year old is doing a better job. She does not want friendship, she wants more and she has made it clear in the statement par apna jalebi boy woh bhi nahi samajhta.


Only if this dosti conversation between them had happened after at least two more sentences were spoken about Devyani and Harini, it would have been fine.

Vahini not being noticed by Virat was silly but her disappointment -- to me -- came from hearing Virat wanting to make Sai his "dost". I wish she had entered the room today but she actually showed restraint.

There is a reason why she came after they spoke about Harini -- because this is the forced plot for the misunderstanding ... I really hope they can address this illogical writing in the next couple of episodes or the story is really going to turn into a sour one.



I was really not in the mood to write much... but likh hi diya. It's a total rant today... I guess the complete lack of logic will not be digestible for too long.

Hope you lovelies are having a fab day otherwise.

Lots of love, hugs, coffees and teas to retain sanity!


❤️J


Well there you are, thought you finally gave up with some illogical stuff being dished out today.

Dont blame you, i actually replied on your post on a different thread. But its good to know your thoughts and also that you are in mood for a rant. Welcome to the club.


If i keep the logic aside, i still like the pace and i might be in minority. But i will let the creatives some time to tie the loop holes as i do understand that this a built up for an upcoming track. Hope they do a better job in this see.


Even i am at a point where i might let go, but there was something which made me watch this and if i look at the previous episodes even they were slow paced. So lets see, how they take it forward.

But both the leads are commendable, they can do a fine job with crappy dialogues. Ab isse bolte hain chemistry.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Roch

Initially i found it stupid and illogical as to how can you not react with a news like this. But the man is made that way, he does not react and that's from day one. He does not show his emotional side or may be is not inclined emotionally to anyone in house (may be his mother & his Jeeva). He is not emotionally connected with anyone, he feels bad yes but not connected. He would do anything for his family, let go of everything no because he is connected to them but because he is made himself that way.

The only person he connects emotionally is his deal wali wife, in a very weird way she is the only one he opens up to (emotionally). Either she is the reason for his emotional outburst or the one he wants to share this things. And he will also land up hurting her the most.

Sometimes I feel what Vedi vahini says is right, he cant see anything else apart from her. He is excited for his sisters wedding but he is more interested in knowing what his wife thinks. Cliched but that's at times how a man thinks. A least interested man in any issues would want to do many things only because the one person he is connected to wants to do it. Virat is that kind of a man. (Police mein kyun hain ye nahi pata......But may be he might want to think once he is out of that house for while). Rational thinking comes when you are out of the periphery.



Wow! You make an interesting point. There are such men in real life - who are generally the chaheeta beta in a dysfunctional family, ready to take responsibility for the entire family, even if it is against their self-interest- but actually does not have emotional connect with any family member. Only thing, this plot being one of crime - I would still expect such a character to be outraged, I don't know. Especially since he does have a connect with someone - his mom

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Originally posted by: Svt611

we understand janki!!


aaj poora FD rant mood mein hai.. itna progression dekha ke paani mein boobana koi inse seekhe..

they are jumping between tracks and conflicts.. poor editing, poor continuity and so much more..

honestly, i'm watching for sai!! she is the only saving grace of the show now.. at least her character is consistent..

Virat ke character ko toh ruin karne mein lage hua hain because of the offscreen synamics.. it is so sad..

Virat's character sketch is bakwaas from the yoga day... forget about ML


in 21st century they showed mohini/menaka type romance... like they are in love at first dance/meet... 🤣...

Ever after sai-rat wedding... he is nothing but pendulum.... I liked him a bit in GC time...


I was so irritated of his same kind of puppy looks to pp continuously (like a 5 years old lost favorite toy (pyari chiz) to brother) - ff all of his scenes (if any)....


he blamed sai as the reason of losing his pyari chiz (first decide dude - did you do that for samrat or sai)

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Originally posted by: Svt611

we understand janki!!


aaj poora FD rant mood mein hai.. itna progression dekha ke paani mein boobana koi inse seekhe..

they are jumping between tracks and conflicts.. poor editing, poor continuity and so much more..

honestly, i'm watching for sai!! she is the only saving grace of the show now.. at least her character is consistent..

Virat ke character ko toh ruin karne mein lage hua hain because of the offscreen synamics.. it is so sad..


I really don't know much about the off-screen issues because honestly I don't read and I am very unaware about the developments except that the two actors are betrothed. I am not sure if that can be the sole reason for this mishap because I believe they might obviously have long term career plans -- what are their ages? They can't be so shortsighted and ruin a show and portray themselves as unprofessional in times of so much competition... so am not getting into it, you all follow those bits so I guess your judgments would have some reason.

I think the problem is the conflict between the original story and the necessities of a "shravan kumar" for the male lead. The writers are not convinced about the original plot -- but they want to show Virat as a layered character but also as Shrvan Kumar.

In their inability to strike the balance, they end up showing him as a daft guy at times. I will blame it on their shoddy execution. They still have a chance to redeem it by using logic in creating the misunderstanding as that has to happen and by not thrusting a substandard plot down our throats.

How do you justify the fact that none of the people have bothered to find out anything about this guy before agreeing to send off the daughter with him? And then call it misunderstanding? I can't buy it. They could have still brought in the misunderstanding with some solid ground or some really evil plan by the matriarch where at least one would say, okay he had no choice but to believe his blood. Right now, all i can see is stupidity.

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Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Good afternoon sisterhood!


Today I am not in the mood to analyse the episode -- it might be moving towards the eventual separation but it is so badly done that it is too hard not to object.


My issue today is not about the "dosti" conversation. In fact, I didn't mind that scene per se. But my issue is with the placement of it, after completely ignoring the more important issue at hand - Devyani's life. It is pointless analysing the behaviour of the characters in the Devyani track because it is not written well. Forget being an IPS officer, any brother who claims to have love for sister and family will want to know what happened to her 8 years ago.

My problem is with the lack of "outrage" that Virat often seems to have for his family. He has only showed his outrage at Sai during the various fights they have had in view of the family but this was a subject where the outrage was must. He doesn't show outrage or objection to anything that the family does. That is what makes me question his conditioning as a character -- it comes across as such a weak male protagonist, who really does waver on his principle of justice.

The issue I had even with the honeymoon track -- the morning scene where the suggestion was first made of Virat accompanying Vahini -- he did not "object". Yes, he did on the day they were to leave when he said, "Sorry Kaku, we won't go sightseeing" but then he diluted the entire fight with his absolute need to avoid the open confrontation and sound like both parties involved in the ruckus are at fault. Now, all that can be taken as part of his 'characterisation'.

It brings me to the point of comparison -- because we all know there have been two versions but I would like to say that it is pointless to compare. Virat in this version is written differently. He is actually a person who comes across as having multiple personalities -- to me, it is a character that lacks overall conviction for a cause, unless it is out and out miscarriage of justice. He continues to give the benefit of doubts to his 'blood ties' and to the one tie that has him attached in some way-- Patralekha. He doesn't know what to feel for her. It is not love but there is a sense of responsibility and some amount of guilt combined with his people-pleasing quality that he wants to brush on to Sai. I am willing to accept this as a character trait of Virat. But make it come across convincingly.

But the whole approach to the current track is pathetic in terms of the plot. I cannot blame it on the characterisation because the gaps are so glaringly left by the creative team -- they are coming across as a deliberate loose string to create a misunderstanding where it can be totally avoided. Don't tell me that this man is an IPS officer -- he can't be. One doesn't become an IPS by just strutting around in a Khaki, it requires aptitude. That aptitude goes beyond saying "hmmm..." on some occasions. Virat was shown as observing the reactions of this elders and also Devyani but what is a let down is that they -- he and she both-- don't want to talk about Harini. He didn't even bother to ask, "How old is she? She must be very old... have you met her? What does she look like?" It was such a revelation that his "Are you sure" was absolutely justified and I also actually liked the fact that Sai couldn't be sure -- she could only say "Pulkit Sir ne bola hai..." because the information was confirmed only in the temple and there was no time to process. But what is stopping them/her now. Why couldn't the Mama-Mami decide to visit the girl and meet her? Why wouldn't Sai tell him lets go and meet her?

The "ateet ko rehne do" was a totally thumbs down reaction -- what if his elders had committed infanticide? Ateet ko rehne do? An IPS officer wanting to cover up the toxicity of his family? I would not have a problem that he has doubts in the story -- it is actually needed that he should doubt both sides, question and investigate before declaring that "shaadi hogi". He should find out details to convince himself why he shouldn't believe the ghar ke bade rather than going blindly with what has been told to him.But this "ateet ko rehne do" seems like his need to keep the secret buried and not peel off the whitewash because he has to still go and mollify the ghar ke bade and the sabse badi spokesperson.

I found it absolutely foolish that one team of the family agreed to the wedding in a matter of minutes of a man walking in and claiming that the daughter had been married to him. It's okay that everyone wants to believe the claim, but just to decide that it's going to be hunky dory and plan shopping for the wedding without sitting down to resolve the issue is plain stupid -- this can happen only on a TV show.

To top it, in their private space -- one investigator by profession and other by nature -- don't talk about the possible hurdle that will be created.

Why I can't identify with Sai as well at the moment -- and again, I am not blaming the character but the sloppy writing. The creative team is at a loss what to do with the Harini information. They won't be able to justify the misunderstanding because all it needs is a simple background check that even a non-IPS brother can do. It doesn't have anything to do with Sai's maturity or immaturity. Even considering that we must accept this as Sai's character trait, it is not convincing enough. The reason is that the difference between Sai and Virat is "outrage". Sai expresses her outrage. She cannot cover tracks of others or whitewash the wrong. She is seen as someone who goes out of the way to find out details and prove her point. She was the one who realised that Shivani did not have any proof against Amey fleecing her money. In an instant, she knew that the only way to trap him was to make him confess. So, in this case, set aside all that has not been under her control so far, including Pulkit inviting himself home and her not getting the chance to tell Virat anything because she first wanted to be sure and had misunderstood the Madhuri angle and thereafter there was 'no time' to say it, I still find her lack of application of mind out of character. She is impulsive but she is also intelligent. I can't digest that despite knowing that they Pakaku gang will plot something, she's not pushing Virat to find out the entire truth. If he said ateet ko rehne do, it was also Sai's silence to it that bothered me -- it is because the 'script' is like that.

We are saying she has believed Devyani and Pulkit and she knows the family is evil -- she knew that even during the Amey track that Shivani was right. In fact, Amey's case was more open and shut but she went out of her way to prove Shivani innocent. Here, the story is still under the wraps and she has not been shown as being curious to learn what happened to Harini. The reason why she didn't tell Virat anything was that she wanted to learn the entire truth first-- but she still hasn't learnt it. Virat said, "Thank you for doing what you have done for Tai" and it seems like that is the end of the story and the wedding is all that matters? 🤪 It did not fit with me that Sai didn't tell Virat that let's go and meet PD Sir to discuss a few things.

It is the fault of this absolutely taken for granted intelligence.

The amount of energy expended on that pointless fight in the zillat arena -- so repetitive and futile should be spent on speaking to the concerned persons and finding out the truth. I really want to see a Sai Pulkit scene that has some in dept conversation about Harini.. and how can Mama Mami not want to visit her?

Coming to the dosti conversation and the peeping tom:

The scene was badly placed... nevertheles, my take on it -

This bone will remain stuck in their throats, making it unable for them to speak. One person has to break the cycle and that person is Virat. He has to first begin by not pushing Sai to believe that he thinks Vahini and she are on the same platform -- the deal, vaada come later. His constant need to tell her to behave, empathise with someone as foolish as Vahini is the first block in breaking the barrier -- it is because he doesn't interact with the family as much as Sai and I have mentioned this before as well-- most men think domestic squabbles are petty issues because they are not involved in it directly. Same here.

I thought his whole Vahini ko "galat mat samjho" was not from the perspective of his soft corner for her -- he can see what she is doing to Sai. It was more from the point of asking Sai to try to find a path to peace because in his mind this is the family they have to eventually live with and two members can't be at loggerheads like that. It was badly conveyed -- right after the series of interruptions and taana kasi that Vahini has done since their fight -- it is only a day old matter.

He needs to tell her of course that this marriage is not a five year deal -- when she uttered that sentence today, she was really looking for him to deny the fact and assure her. But all he came up with was "Isse jyada na kuch bolunga na bola jayega " and a tear wiping! All he needs to say first is "You don't have to leave after five years". But no - he won't.

Yes, I believe he conveyed a lot of his emotions during his apology but he was inarticulate and vague. "I am your family" is also a sentence spoken after he said, "Parivaar is zimmedari" once to her. She wants to hear more than the family word. Just a few minutes ago, she gave him her hand and said, "You can hold my hand in good moments, it is not restricted".... so what amount of courage does he need to tell her, "You don't have to leave?"

Her reaction to the dosti word is obvious if he continues to make her feel like Vahini is a misunderstood person even after she has said it to his face that she thinks they are in 'love'. He has not yet answered that question or cleared it. His "mera sach" about Sai having bohat mayne in his life did not convey his "mera sach" that he spoke to Vahini. He should have told Sai both the "mera sach" parts. She would have then understood his "whole sach". Yes, he has declared he would leave the house with Sai and it was a big statement coming from him but Sai wanted to hear it again in their private space -- "Main 5 saal me chali jaungi" and her wait to hear his response was the same as his during the apology when he wanted her to deny his suggestion that he means nothing to her.

Despite having their moments of intimacies, their hesitation in accepting facts before one another is acceptable -- it can be a slow process and the awkwardness about addressing the main issue that ails their relationship will remain. But Virat should stop getting offended at Sai's response because just like we expect Sai (19) to understand him (28), he also needs to actually comprehend that he's expecting a teenager to show patience for what he cannot even express...

Only if this dosti conversation between them had happened after at least two more sentences were spoken about Devyani and Harini, it would have been fine.

Vahini not being noticed by Virat was silly but her disappointment -- to me -- came from hearing Virat wanting to make Sai his "dost". I wish she had entered the room today but she actually showed restraint.

There is a reason why she came after they spoke about Harini -- because this is the forced plot for the misunderstanding ... I really hope they can address this illogical writing in the next couple of episodes or the story is really going to turn into a sour one.



I was really not in the mood to write much... but likh hi diya. It's a total rant today... I guess the complete lack of logic will not be digestible for too long.

Hope you lovelies are having a fab day otherwise.

Lots of love, hugs, coffees and teas to retain sanity!


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I dont really know whom to blame more among the two.. I mean with Sai I feel that her age and impulse and also her " I know it all" attitude is to blame.. The fact that every time she takes a stance against the Chavans.. she turns out to be at the right side, has encouraged her this attitude. The fact that Chavan's are mostly at the wrong side keeps her going with that attitude.. Sai also I believe has an ego issue, we have hardly seen her questioning herself on her behaviour with Virat, having a self talk. Her apology is till something that I am looking forward to .. If not Virat ..self realization would have been enough for me at this stage... But then to some extent I can still give Sai a benefit of doubt in this case..

But Virat ..Virat to me right now is extremely questionable..He is an IPS officer...ACP at that.. He is supposed to be tactful , intelligent and someone who explores all dynamics of a situation to reach a conclusion. Going with what he knows of Pulkit through his family members , I gave him a benefit of doubt, before he knew about Harini. But when he gets to know Pulkit has a daughter and she is supposedly Devyani's as well , which Sai is not sure off, should he not go and get it investigated,. Him being an ACP would make it pretty easy to get the details in minimal time. Also how can he just brush the abuse that Sai had to endure all the time under the family being orthodox. Sai would have been hit hard, had he not come in between. And his Baba shobha deta hai aapko was so flat.. Even though he kind of got pulled into Pulkit topic, should he not have later reprimanded his family for behaving that way with Sai. Is it not the kind of domestic abuse that would be getting reported to him at his police station on a daily basis?He keeps brushing the abuse both mental and physical that his family has been making Sai go through.. His Kaku wanted to break Sai's leg and his father raised his hand on her.. And all he cares about is a friendship between his love and wife?

Sai is somewhat still in character however IPS Virat Chavan's character is somehow something that I can't relate to at all.. at this moment..smiley24

I believe the CVs are in rush to get done with the separation track to bring in the reunion by Holi..Also the time crunch because of the planned mahaepisode might have led to such shoddy script and direction.. Yet this is no excuse.. This was one of the most awaited and interesting track...destroyed completely by the CVs.smiley22

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Roch

>> Initially i found it stupid and illogical as to how can you not react with a news like this. But the man is made that way, he does not react and that's from day one. He does not show his emotional side or may be is not inclined emotionally to anyone in house (may be his mother & his Jeeva). He is not emotionally connected with anyone, he feels bad yes but not connected. He would do anything for his family, let go of everything no because he is connected to them but because he is made himself that way.

The only person he connects emotionally is his deal wali wife, in a very weird way she is the only one he opens up to (emotionally). Either she is the reason for his emotional outburst or the one he wants to share this things. And he will also land up hurting her the most.

Sometimes I feel what Vedi vahini says is right, he cant see anything else apart from her. He is excited for his sisters wedding but he is more interested in knowing what his wife thinks. Cliched but that's at times how a man thinks. A least interested man in any issues would want to do many things only because the one person he is connected to wants to do it. Virat is that kind of a man. (Police mein kyun hain ye nahi pata......But may be he might want to think once he is out of that house for while). Rational thinking comes when you are out of the periphery.


Today, we will agree to disagree. We have been shown Virat going out of the way to calm Deviyani. Apart from Ashwini, the only other person she really listens to is Virat. I can't believe that he didn't even ask, "Harini kitni badi hai?" I know what you are saying about him being someone who doesn't show his vulnerability to anyone. Also perfectly said that he connects only with Sai -- that is an established, undisputed fact. His worst and best side is reserved only for Sai and that is how spouses are in their private space. But I don't think it is not in his character to feel emotional for his sister - he is attached to her. After Aai and Samrat, she is the one he is attached to and knows how to handle her also. Yes, he never questioned Bhavani etc and I can let it pass because that is how they have been raised, but getting to know about a child -- the reaction was underplayed. And i am not even analysing this as a character reaction, as I mentioned. It was deliberately underplayed because they seem like they don't know how they will create a solid misunderstanding if everything is sorted with logic. So, Virat ko bewakoof dikhao... and Sai also does not push or suggest that they should meet the girl. Both of them showered the love on a strangers daughter just because his name was Samrat but they don't want to meet their own niece -- that should have been the first reaction. Chalo, let's meet her and find out what happened. Police mein kyun hai yeh toh hum roz poochte hain but comeon, a brother doesn't have to be an IPS to feel the basic protectiveness for his sister. My non-IPS brother would smack even an IPS husband if he feels I am being treated unfairly -- Virat doesn't even need to be an IPS at the moment but the strangest part is that he is also an IPS officer. As I said, it is not just about clearing the UPSC exam, it is a way of life and aptitude. He doesn't show any leaning of being non-partisan or even curious in Devyani's case. It is highly impossible unless deliberately portrayed for the sake of the substandard plot.



>>> He has openly told vahini he has no feelings for her and cant have any. Well that's for real, he does not. So does he have feeling for Sai, well that he is yet to know. But he will never clear that part to Sai as for him he is falling for Sai because of her and not because he has now fallen out of someone. Thats the chemical jhol in his brain which thinks cant she see what i do for her, feel for etc... And thats the reason he feels hurt. Thinking like this is not an issue and he is apt but the only jhol ACP saheb did was the jaap he did for i dont know how many episodes about Farz, Zimmedari, dosti and what not.

Virat will never be able to take a stand as he is made that way, he will always weigh and then respond. Hence most of times he lands up supporting Sai as she is spontaneous and responds what he has in mind. He wants to but does not, he is very calculative in his approach.

>> Actually i think she reads him well and she knows what he is feeling but she is looking for verbal confirmation. He on the other hand is not able to read the questions or answer the questions which she is asking. The 18 year old is doing a better job. She does not want friendship, she wants more and she has made it clear in the statement par apna jalebi boy woh bhi nahi samajhta.

Until the fight where she directly mentioned her issue and asked him questions about his feelings for Vahini, I would have agreed that he didn't know what she is feeling and what she is thinking. But now, he knows that she feels he loves Vahini -- he even went and told Vahini that. But he cannot tell that to Sai because only Bappa knows how else they will drag 400 episodes. 😆 I agree that she can read him. She understood that on the day he asked her, "Mujhse bhi ...pyaar nahi karti ho?" And, he didn't get her point- she didn't say, "No". She said no to his friendship offer twice but not when he asked if she doesn't think him as worthy enough to be loved. But he can't read her and when she asks him the question directly, he doesn't want to answer. Now, i do get the fact that he is a man who won't react in the heat of the moment to something like that -- i myself said that the other day, but he's not brushing the subject under the carpet by losing all the chances he has to clarify to her that he doesn't "love" Vahini. It was easier for him to tell Vahini that in such an apologetic way but he can't clear it for Sai's mind. 🤔🤔


- He cant cause he does not know where she stands right now. He keeps on asking what she feels but she avoids. I dont mind such scenes as they are interesting to watch. But place them properly.

Both navra baiko have masters degree in giving gyaan. The point is that even he cannot read the insaan in her, which he says she cannot read. So both of them keep asking "samjahte/samajhti kyun nahi". but as I also said, I don't mind that because it is very plausible that this awkwardness and lack of confidence in expressing freely will continue for a while until there is the tangible fear of losing. So, I don't mind that but it can't be in the middle of a half baked conversation of a newly discovered niece or heaven's sake.


Well there you are, thought you finally gave up with some illogical stuff being dished out today.

Dont blame you, i actually replied on your post on a different thread. But its good to know your thoughts and also that you are in mood for a rant. Welcome to the club.


If i keep the logic aside, i still like the pace and i might be in minority. But i will let the creatives some time to tie the loop holes as i do understand that this a built up for an upcoming track. Hope they do a better job in this see.

They still have a chance, I think... God knows 🤔


Even i am at a point where i might let go, but there was something which made me watch this and if i look at the previous episodes even they were slow paced. So lets see, how they take it forward.

But both the leads are commendable, they can do a fine job with crappy dialogues. Ab isse bolte hain chemistry.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: asmi_joya


I dont really know whom to blame more among the two.. I mean with Sai I feel that her age and impulse and also her " I know it all" attitude is to blame.. The fact that every time she takes a stance against the Chavans.. she turns out to be at the right side, has encouraged her this attitude. The fact that Chavan's are mostly at the wrong side keeps her going with that attitude.. Sai also I believe has an ego issue, we have hardly seen her questioning herself on her behaviour with Virat, having a self talk. Her apology is till something that I am looking forward to .. If not Virat ..self realization would have been enough for me at this stage... But then to some extent I can still give Sai a benefit of doubt in this case..

She already did her self realisation by apologising to Aaba. But then she has to apologise to Virat for the harsh things she has said. Between spouses, that much respect has to be mutually given. Sometimes, one has to also let go of the ego in the private space and they definitely share that kind of a relationship where saying sorry should not be such a forgotten virtue. So, I do want her to say it.

But Virat ..Virat to me right now is extremely questionable..He is an IPS officer...ACP at that.. He is supposed to be tactful , intelligent and someone who explores all dynamics of a situation to reach a conclusion. Going with what he knows of Pulkit through his family members , I gave him a benefit of doubt, before he knew about Harini. But when he gets to know Pulkit has a daughter and she is supposedly Devyani's as well , which Sai is not sure off, should he not go and get it investigated,. Him being an ACP would make it pretty easy to get the details in minimal time. Also how can he just brush the abuse that Sai had to endure all the time under the family being orthodox. Sai would have been hit hard, had he not come in between. And his Baba shobha deta hai aapko was so flat.. Even though he kind of got pulled into Pulkit topic, should he not have later reprimanded his family for behaving that way with Sai. Is it not the kind of domestic abuse that would be getting reported to him at his police station on a daily basis?He keeps brushing the abuse both mental and physical that his family has been making Sai go through.. His Kaku wanted to break Sai's leg and his father raised his hand on her.. And all he cares about is a friendship between his love and wife?

Sai is somewhat still in character however IPS Virat Chavan's character is somehow something that I can't relate to at all.. at this moment..smiley24

Yes I already wrote about that -- the aptitude as an IPS is not something you can set aside. It is part of your personality and so, this digression is almost unacceptable. Oh yes, and @bold: I forgot to mention that. Even after Pulkit left and in the conversation with only the saas-sasur and navra baiko also he did not continue on that subject. Not even to Sai in the private space... it was so conveniently forgotten. His father raised a hand at his wife just about 12 hours after he promised her that it will never happen again. and it is forgotten!?

I believe the CVs are in rush to get done with the separation track to bring in the reunion by Holi..Also the time crunch because of the planned mahaepisode might have led to such shoddy script and direction.. Yet this is no excuse.. This was one of the most awaited and interesting track...destroyed completely by the CVs.smiley22

I don't know what's the compulsion to kill a plot just to run a race?! They could have shown the separation after Holi. As it is they celebrate festivals as per their whim, they could have easily played Holi and then ended in a fight. If reunion on Holi is a goal, I wonder how will they rush their snail-paced time machine in three weeks with so much. 🤔😳🤓

Edited by jankiraghav - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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The story as of now is only about Sai, how Sai is adjusting in the new life after her aaba, her dreams and college despite challenges thrown in front of her, despite having a pendulum for a husband (esp given the amount of screen space Virat gets). The main challenge for her is to get Devi and Pulkit married, not matter what.


Sai's character grew when she changed her tactic to deal with Chavans. She will find a mentor in form of Prof Pulkit, who was needed not only for Devi but also Sai as she truly needed someone who can guide her and is unbiased to her problems as a third party.


The reason she brings Pakhi not supporting the wedding is because she knows Virat can switch sides anytime as he is biased towards his family.


She mentioned already she doesn't need anyone to fight for her. She can fight herself even if Virat doesn't support and win it too. This spirit is the only reason she can go to college, be herself, study and even dance despite what happens at home.


Sai doesn't care about Chavans as of now. I care about Ashwini, Shivani, Mohit and Devi only coz Sai cares about them. If she didn't, I will also ignore them (e.g. Mansi bua). Thats why I think if Sai doesn't care for a character, we shouldn't either.


I intend to start caring about Virat when she starts caring for him. Until then there is no point of getting upset episode scene where he is unsupportive of her or jumps into conclusion about her.


I feel for next few days, we should enjoy Sai and ignore Virat, Pakhi and other family members.


If we don't, then our bp is going to ping pong just like him.

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Great analysis Janki

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