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Why is mukta being allowed to write for a new show this early?

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

It was definitely intriguing to have an all-male sasural. Remember the forum saying that this wouldn't appeal to the TRP audience. Lo and behold, it was true and cue to Chandrakala. It is one more reason why it would have been interesting to watch Bani slowly develop a bond with each of them as she progressed with Veer too. I'd have imagined they would have become equally protective of her - we have fanfictions here portraying close to that and I make my heart content with that. Reminds me that they never opened up on the reason there were no other females in the cheel fam. Just one more to the list.

You've got it right! I feel like the Faristha thing is working better because we can't work out exactly where he stands. Its the timing of this track that is off. Like you said, this would have worked wonders after the Navratri track instead of all the other bogus tracks we got.

I wish that what you are saying is true. As fans, we tend to look at the scenes beyond what it shows on the surface. (Side note: The kitchen BTS gave us a completely different idea of what we we thought we were gonna get vs what we actually got 😆) I'd rather have a repeat of VaNi working together than a repeat of the hynosis anyway. But that seems highly unlikely atm rather especially with this Farishta not currently being an outright villain. It may just be wishful thinking. Would be more than happy to be proved wrong and this was Veer's 'tedha idea' all along.

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

I would honestly love all of this, esp from Bani's side. She knows the depth of his feelings but for her to tell him hers would be perfect. I've always wanted her to tell him that she was the girl he saved from the plane crash as a child, and use that to talk about how she fought their connection for so long, despite softening towards him. I don't think they will bring it up, sadly, but I'd be delighted to be wrong. That is one connection even Veer is not aware of...one more example of how their paths have been intertwined since the beginning.

Can we also some husband-wifey night-morning bed scenes pleasee. From your mouth to Mukta's ears, please!!

Arshiii... I am not ready to let my babies goooo! Me neither I know the show is bad, I know it's trollworthy (heck, I trolled it/the franchise before I watched it), I know the story is a headache, I get all of these things...but I'm not ready to let VAni go selfishly, I want it to go on.

@red bold. They seem to have forgotten the thing about the plan crash or the bit where Veer is also the one who saved her from the tempo blast (the latter may come in if they go into the illegal business thing though). When Veer revealed the plane crash thing and his real cheel self, it was the first time Bani had a MAJOR shift in her perspective of him. It was a milestone and they should definitely have him know that. If there are last wishes of this show, these are all among those. I want. Maybe we should create a last wishlist and sent it to her and have her cram them within this month. Cause I do not trust Mukta didi at this point.

@blue bold. SAME. I didn't follow the franchise but was aware of the happenings thanks to SM and being an ITV follower. Would sometimes troll it too, mostly for vfx ... and I have controversial opinions about the first season 😳. Supernatural wasnt my cup of tea either. But I swallowed all that and gave season 3 a watch because of Surbhi Jyoti haha. Gave up viewing at some point toward the last few months because the story no longer kept my interest. And here I am at season 5, watching it from start to finish. You literally worded my feelings too! Despite so many things going bad for the show, I too still want to hold on to my VaNi! Knowing onscreen and offscreen I have no idea if and when I may see SharBhi again too... 🥺 Sometimes I hate how attached I can become to fictional characters and jodis.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

It was definitely intriguing to have an all-male sasural. Remember the forum saying that this wouldn't appeal to the TRP audience. Lo and behold, it was true and cue to Chandrakala. It is one more reason why it would have been interesting to watch Bani slowly develop a bond with each of them as she progressed with Veer too. I'd have imagined they would have become equally protective of her - we have fanfictions here portraying close to that and I make my heart content with that. Reminds me that they never opened up on the reason there were no other females in the cheel fam. Just one more to the list.

Yeah, and the whole aesthetic around the all-male fam, their dynamics, it was all super interesting and new in a way we don't see on ITV usually. Granted, it may not appeal to the TRP audience but I hate this idea that every show has to appeal to the TRP audience in order to survive. There are so many "TRP-generating" shows on TV right now and let me tell you, not a single one appeals to me in the slightest. I'm not the target audience for them and I'm willing to bet a lot of people like me aren't either. But we're stuck with limited options of what to watch, with varying degrees of mediocrity, because ITV-land is obsessed with only appealing to that one demographic. And when we find something we can kind of bear with, because of a jodi/actor/other variable, then eventually that show is also dragged into the TRP ditch and left to die. It's so frustrating, and the worst part is that if you ask any fan of any ITV show ever, they'd tell you how dissatisfied they were with xyz and how the story was stupid and this, that and the other disappointments. No show has ever been perfect, and we spend most of our time lamenting the lost potential that we saw in the SL or the characters or their journeys. It's like the stories we see in our heads are far more intricate than the ones we ever see on screen. And the cycle continues ad nauseum, because no one in ITV ever stops to introspect and think, 'hey, why did that show not work? Was it the poor promotion? Was it the writing? How can we fix that for next time?". Instead they churn out the same crap one after the other just to stay on the air.

And yeah, the way I picture it, eventually the cheel fam would have all become equally protective of Bani (again, if the histories weren't what they are), and she of them.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

I wish that what you are saying is true. As fans, we tend to look at the scenes beyond what it shows on the surface. (Side note: The kitchen BTS gave us a completely different idea of what we we thought we were gonna get vs what we actually got 😆) I'd rather have a repeat of VaNi working together than a repeat of the hynosis anyway. But that seems highly unlikely atm rather especially with this Farishta not currently being an outright villain. It may just be wishful thinking. Would be more than happy to be proved wrong and this was Veer's 'tedha idea' all along.

Honestly, I don't think it is true. We do tend to read too much into things but some shows can be bit deeper than what we see at face value. Sadly I don't think this show is, not anymore at least. I think it's out of twists and is just racing to a rather predictable and "easy" finale. I'd love to be proved wrong though, *cough* stalkers *cough*.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

@red bold. They seem to have forgotten the thing about the plan crash or the bit where Veer is also the one who saved her from the tempo blast (the latter may come in if they go into the illegal business thing though). When Veer revealed the plane crash thing and his real cheel self, it was the first time Bani had a MAJOR shift in her perspective of him. It was a milestone and they should definitely have him know that. If there are last wishes of this show, these are all among those. I want. Maybe we should create a last wishlist and sent it to her and have her cram them within this month. Cause I do not trust Mukta didi at this point.

@bold - this. It was the first time she saw him in a completely different light, and I think it was also the moment that validated her growing feelings of not wanting to harm Veer. Before that, I don't think she understood why she kept saving him, beyond some excuses about how she wanted him to know who she was and why she killed him. But she'd been prevaricating on her mission against him for so long, not being able to answer Jai's repeated questions of why that was, and this was the moment that kind of gave her a reason. It was also the first time she felt guilty that she knew his secret but he didn't know hers. As you say, it was a monumental shift in her perspective, and I wish they'd bring that conversation back.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

@blue bold. SAME. I didn't follow the franchise but was aware of the happenings thanks to SM and being an ITV follower. Would sometimes troll it too, mostly for vfx ... and I have controversial opinions about the first season 😳. Supernatural wasnt my cup of tea either. But I swallowed all that and gave season 3 a watch because of Surbhi Jyoti haha. Gave up viewing at some point toward the last few months because the story no longer kept my interest. And here I am at season 5, watching it from start to finish. You literally worded my feelings too! Despite so many things going bad for the show, I too still want to hold on to my VaNi! Knowing onscreen and offscreen I have no idea if and when I may see SharBhi again too... 🥺 Sometimes I hate how attached I can become to fictional characters and jodis.

I like the supernatural genre but not on ITV, in part because the VFX is always terrible. I don't think I've ever been impressed by any of the ITV supernatural shows (not that I've watched many, but certainly seeing the clips etc. online.). I haven't seen season 1, but I tried to watch some clips of seasons 2, 3 and 4 just to get a sense of what the lore was about, and...yeah, nope. Even in N5, the bits I enjoyed the most had nothing to do with the supernatural elements, though there were times when they were fun. Generally speaking, and no offense to anyone who enjoys these shows, ITV is terrible at the supernatural genre because it approaches it in the same way as all the other shows - it all eventually ends up turning into an over-the-top saas-bahu, kitchen politics drama. Because, again, that's what fetches TRPs, apparently. That's why I'm already rolling my eyes at the news that Mukta is creating a new vampire show to replace N5, and for once I'm hoping SharBhi are not considered for that one (don't think they will be, so soon after N5), because I really don't want them to languish and be trolled in yet another show with terrible VFX and even worse scripts. Saas-bahu dramas aren't exactly any better, but I guess they at least (for the most part) have longevity. I don't know if we'll ever see them together again 😒 but I hope if/when we do, it's for longer than we've had them so far. They kept me watching a show I ordinarily wouldn't have made it past the first ep of, and they deserve a script that brings the best out of their talents, and gives us a chance to properly enjoy their chemistry and offscreen bond for longer.

@bold - you and me both sister! 😭 It doesn't happen to me often but when it does, boy do I get attached. I tell myself every time not to get invested (I probably did the same when I started watching this show) but when they get their hooks in you, it's hard to shake them off. At the end of the day, we did get both Vani and SharBhi out of this experience, and I know I'd rather have them than not.

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

There are so many "TRP-generating" shows on TV right now and let me tell you, not a single one appeals to me in the slightest. I'm not the target audience for them and I'm willing to bet a lot of people like me aren't either. But we're stuck with limited options of what to watch, with varying degrees of mediocrity, because ITV-land is obsessed with only appealing to that one demographic. And when we find something we can kind of bear with, because of a jodi/actor/other variable, then eventually that show is also dragged into the TRP ditch and left to die. It's so frustrating, and the worst part is that if you ask any fan of any ITV show ever, they'd tell you how dissatisfied they were with xyz and how the story was stupid and this, that and the other disappointments. No show has ever been perfect, and we spend most of our time lamenting the lost potential that we saw in the SL or the characters or their journeys. It's like the stories we see in our heads are far more intricate than the ones we ever see on screen. And the cycle continues ad nauseum, because no one in ITV ever stops to introspect and think, 'hey, why did that show not work? Was it the poor promotion? Was it the writing? How can we fix that for next time?". Instead they churn out the same crap one after the other just to stay on the air.

THIS! WORD! To every single thing you have said! Gonna rant a bit on it too.

The TRPs are obviously a very fickle system and far from truly representing the entire TV viewing audience with its selective installation strategy 🤪. Heck, I don't even understand how the online TRP works because while some shows deserve their space because I assumed a majority of the online viewers are the youth. I can't understand how some absolutely nonsense shows that are trolled and criticized online are also being watched by online viewers? There is a such a large population in India alone. If everyone is going to cater to the majority... then where do the rest of the viewers stand? Not an indian viewer so I don't contribute but its still frustrating. The average TRP grabbing show has a set basic mould and formula that more or less, most on the list follow. Its all like watching the same show with different names and faces! Any attempt at showing something different either have to eventually follow suit in order to survive or be pulled off air - whether or not it makes sense. Creativity and content has died in the bid for these numbers! Its not always the story that has to stand out... its the way that is approached, presented and executed that also matters. I recall when Kahaan Hum Kahaan Tum (which fell for the TRP ditch after a point) eventually went off air and the producer ranted about this system too. He said he attempted a different approach but clearly different doesn't sell and he can't afford to be the only "saviour" of ITV. So he'll have to make what really works and appeals to the masses. He sounded really disappointed and I actually felt bad for him. This system - Its a vicious cycle of the TRP audience, money, and such content so it really will have to be a monumental and collective effort of everyone.

Not saying that there aren't good shows on air. There always have been and still are a handful of them. But then again, they will have to resort to the same games at point. But as viewer, I also find that there are shows that are good and then there are shows that you just become emotionally attached and invested in.. the place where these two meet is the sweet spot.

The seasonal format is great and so is the finite system. When I say finite, I also mean no premature, abrupt endings. The former is so common in the west and even Pakistani dramas use the same finite concept. Seems to be working fine for them. The best thing is to have the entire show produced and shot before it goes on air. That way the TRP pressure is gone and every, damn show gets to run its course without interference. If it grabs numbers, the channel or makers don't get to extend the show and ruin it unnecessarily (even though, perhaps they could) and if it doesn't, it still gets the same chance and doesn't get pulled off air abruptly. Not everyone has the same preferences and tastes in entertainment.Surely, each show caters to different sets of audience and they deserve to watch it through. These may have their own flaws but would definitely be a better way than the current one imo.

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

@bold - this. It was the first time she saw him in a completely different light, and I think it was also the moment that validated her growing feelings of not wanting to harm Veer. Before that, I don't think she understood why she kept saving him, beyond some excuses about how she wanted him to know who she was and why she killed him. But she'd been prevaricating on her mission against him for so long, not being able to answer Jai's repeated questions of why that was, and this was the moment that kind of gave her a reason. It was also the first time she felt guilty that she knew his secret but he didn't know hers. As you say, it was a monumental shift in her perspective, and I wish they'd bring that conversation back.

I had perceived that track in a similar way in my head but you've hit bullseye with wording this! It was the turning point in their love story. Both SC and SM performed wonderfully there for us to be able to pick up these points just from watching them. Its a shame that a few episodes after this is where things went downhill and we didn't get to witness what we thought it would have led to.

You're right as to the treatment of supernatural shows on ITV. Its like they need those mainstream gimmicks and elements to connect to the TRP audience. Remember reading on the forum earlier about how N5 has none of those and might not work on the charts and .... look at how true those were. What we thought were the USPs of the show seemed to be the opposite. I don't think Sharbhi has or will be considered for this new "spinoff", it wouldn't work imo considering it is set to be in the same universe as Naagin (super odd but ok). I do wish to seem them together but yes, even I wouldn't want this to be true. For this, or the rumours of the whole KGGK2 (which I don't think is true either). Because same feelings: "They deserve a script that brings the best out of their talents, and gives us a chance to properly enjoy their chemistry and offscreen bond for longer." It pisses me off that Mukta has already started writing for the other show which would inevitably mean that the writing of the last weeks may be worse than what we have been subjected to earlier. Least they could do is give us the best as she signs off. (stalk us for ideas please! 😆)

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

It doesn't happen to me often but when it does, boy do I get attached. I tell myself every time not to get invested (I probably did the same when I started watching this show) but when they get their hooks in you, it's hard to shake them off. At the end of the day, we did get both Vani and SharBhi out of this experience, and I know I'd rather have them than not.

I am a TV buff and a sucker for intense love stories. Which is probably why I couldn't seem to carry over to web series like everyone seems to say. I do watch snippets of other shows and can easily keep tabs on the plots. Also always seem to have a lot to say or rant 😆. I can be frustrated for what it could have been but can stop watching and move on easily. But this level of attachment and involvement on and off screen, I hold for few shows. Naagin5 was one of them and it was all due to VaNi that I took it for all it was. The show gave us that. So I'd second you on that, rather have them than not.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

I recall when Kahaan Hum Kahaan Tum (which fell for the TRP ditch after a point) eventually went off air and the producer ranted about this system too. He said he attempted a different approach but clearly different doesn't sell and he can't afford to be the only "saviour" of ITV. So he'll have to make what really works and appeals to the masses. He sounded really disappointed and I actually felt bad for him. This system - Its a vicious cycle of the TRP audience, money, and such content so it really will have to be a monumental and collective effort of everyone.

Word to your whole TRP rant, but especially this section here. I never watched KHKT but sort of followed it online for a bit, and it seemed to go downhill so very quickly. Ironic that a show that started off trolling the overdramatic ITV saas-bahu mould ended up inexactly that situation. After your comment I went and found one of the producer's articles. You can really sense the bitterness in his words, not that I blame him, about deciding in future only to bring the same “ghisse pite” (as he puts it) shows on TV because they fetch TRPs.

I can feel for him and his frustrations on not being able to afford to be the sole saviour of ITV. When the behemoths of the industry are all practically vomiting the same content for decades on end and garnering crazy TRPs for absolute nonsense, then one person with an offbeat or different story can hardly hope to survive in that landscape. There really needs to be an industry-wide revolution, but I think the status quo is so comfortable for these people (and they can justify it by saying "well we give loads of actors work") that this is hardly ever likely to change. And the average offline viewer who watches these shows of an evening as they do their chores or eat dinner with the family, they don't really care (a generalisation, I know) about what they're watching, it's just there as background noise for the most part.

As you say though, there's a sweet spot between good content and shows that you become emotionally attached to. I have watched shows with terrible content that I remember and love more than technically perfect shows, because of the emotional investment.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

I don't think Sharbhi has or will be considered for this new "spinoff", it wouldn't work imo considering it is set to be in the same universe as Naagin (super odd but ok). I do wish to seem them together but yes, even I wouldn't want this to be true. For this, or the rumours of the whole KGGK2 (which I don't think is true either). Because same feelings: "They deserve a script that brings the best out of their talents, and gives us a chance to properly enjoy their chemistry and offscreen bond for longer." It pisses me off that Mukta has already started writing for the other show which would inevitably mean that the writing of the last weeks may be worse than what we have been subjected to earlier. Least they could do is give us the best as she signs off. (stalk us for ideas please! 😆)

I don't get how a vampire show can be spun-off Naagin...the two are in no way related. I saw some random theories on IG that the vampire show will feature VAni's kid as the lead, and they will be...a vampire? Like, huh?! I guess it's no worse than Mukta's current writing but even so, a naagin + cheel do not a vampire make 😆. Don’t think SharBhi are in the reckoning for this one, and good for them. It’s not like this show will be the new BtVS.
My feelings on the KGGK reboot rumours are conflicted. On the one hand, I don't want it to be rebooted for a number of reasons. Of the original K shows, the most rebootable IMO was KZK; it was more of a love story than the other two which were both heavily family oriented. And OG Prerna as an FL was strong and independent and non-sacrificing in a way the others weren’t (not always, and she had her share of WTF moments). But we saw what happened to the KZK reboot, so I can't imagine how KGGK can fare any better. If they took the KGGK concept but didn't actually repeat the story character for character, frame for frame, and modernised it, then maaaaaybe? But still, seems unlikely. (Though I heard EK's also thinking of rebooting Kahin Kissi Roz, which was a unique show for the time that started off quite well *shrugs*)

On the other hand, saas-bahu serials have a longevity that supernatural or web shows don't. This is obvs a double-edged sword because the longer a show goes on the worse it has the potential to get, but what it means is that if you're in it for the actors/jodi, then at least you get to see them for longer. The thing is, if we ever do get SharBhi again in a show -- if it's a finite web series, then that's what, 10, maybe 12 episodes, and then they're done (unless the show has multiple seasons). That's it. ITV may possibly repeat a jodi once, but they are unlikely to do it multiple times. Not to mention the actors will want to work with different people too. So as an audience, we have to make a compromise somewhere -- either we get them for a short, sharp burst and then never again, or we sacrifice good content for longevity and the ability to see them onscreen for a year or more. Obviously, all hypothetical right now, but this is the reality of ITV. I guess everyone’s mileage will vary on this. Personally, I veer towards the “ITV is rubbish anyway, might as well enjoy the jodi for as long as possible” school of thought. But in an ideal world, I would want them to be in an intense, well-written show that doesn’t waste their talents just for the sake of having a steady job. Whether that’s ITV or OTT, no matter.

As for Mukta writing for other shows before N5 has ended...not surprising. She obviously writes the initial script and then hands off to junior writers for the day to day, while supervising the overarching story, so that's likely why shows start off with a good concept and then descend into nothingness. I don't follow the Twitter fandom much so IDK how true any of this is (take with a pinch of salt) but saw some chatter that they thought the abrupt removal of N4 meant that a lot of the tracks originally designed for that season were simply shifted over to N5 (with obvious changes) - the idea being that N5 wasn't meant to air at the point it did, it was just a last minute plaster to plug the hole of content on the channel left by N4's axing. True or not, it’s an interesting theory that could explain a few things! But if true, it makes me even sadder that N5 never really stood a chance.

Originally posted by: nikki.171

I am a TV buff and a sucker for intense love stories. Which is probably why I couldn't seem to carry over to web series like everyone seems to say. I do watch snippets of other shows and can easily keep tabs on the plots. Also always seem to have a lot to say or rant 😆. I can be frustrated for what it could have been but can stop watching and move on easily. But this level of attachment and involvement on and off screen, I hold for few shows. Naagin5 was one of them and it was all due to VaNi that I took it for all it was. The show gave us that. So I'd second you on that, rather have them than not.

Completely on the same page as you. In recent months I’ve watched shows I’ve liked but have been able to watch just as a dispassionate viewer. My last major investment in a TV show ended in 2019, and I was on that journey for the entire 8-year run(not ITV, thankfully!). I’m someone who can only be heavily invested in one show at a time (obviously I can watch other things but they don’t take up a lot of space in my head), and it took the better part of a year from that last experience to get invested to this extent in a show. I’m also a sucker for intense love stories and have no qualms in saying that for the most part, what I want from a TV show is a good ship. I watch for many reasons, but what connects to me most is the relationships. People like to dismiss ‘shippers’ as shallow viewers who don’t care about good story or content, but IME that is not true. Shippers care as much as about a good script or story as anyone else; it’s just that by and large the emotional connect to a show comes to them from the relationships, and when everything else around the show inevitably fails (the writing, the story), it’s the love of the ship that keeps you going. Plus, shippers are the ones who keep their shows alive on social media, who trend and talk and create content and get the jodi to a point where they are instantly recognisable by a hashtag. It’s not the TRP contingent doing that ;)

Gosh...just realised I wrote yet another essay 🤣 I could talk about this stuff all day, it seems 😆