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Originally posted by: raahiyaan

@bold : To be very honest, I won't have problem if there isn't any flashback where one or both of them had tried to reach out.

1) From Shravan's POV , it was always Suman's wishes and what she wants. This time she wanted him to get out of her life. But here's the situation was not only relies on what she wanted and he followed, it was more about self respect and the accussations on Devraj. Yes there must be proofs against his bribery but Shravan never thought Suman will accuse his father as well like the entire state. He also got a slap from the girl whom he immensely loved and created beautiful memories, they promised each other to always stay together in the worst phase. She also said things which must have hurt him and rightly so. So, I don't see why Shravan should go back and reach out to her even if he gets that she is in her most vulnerable state. He is a human, an emotional vulnerable human. "Deshdrohi" is not a small term. Especially when you hear it from the girl whom you love. So I understand what he must have felt.

2) From Suman's POV, it was more complicated , vulnerable situation if we compare it to Shravan and even if we not. Shravan was the guy whom she eloped with and came back only to see a martyred body. Shravan is the guy for whom she went against her father. Shravan is the guy whom she immensely loved, loved so much that she got blinded and chose to ignore her father. Shravan is the guy for whom she pointed out her father that he's accusing their love just because he isn't on right terms with Devraj. At the end of the day she was left with guilt and nothing. And hence yelled at Shravan that her life would have been destroyed and should have left him way earlier. She was also angry on him for directly bringing Devraj in her worst state. She shut him out. But the moment she stepped out to get the last glimpse of and turned away the other side says that her fight between mind and heart started. She knew and knows what she'd done. And there her believe in herself of maintaining relationships also got shattered. So concluding all of this, I don't see Suman reaching out to Shravan to make sure if her words have completely destroyed his heart. Because somewhere she knows it must have and she doesn't want to do further damage. And the other side, it was her promise to Vijay.

So on a personal level, I would have reached out to Suman if I were Shravan. Just because I think there is a lot of ego involved to say "how could you say that about my father" when he's been arrested and her dad is potentially the victim. Maybe not in that moment but a few months later you should be able to think well maybe that person wasn't completely unjustified. Emotionally I understand where he is coming from but logically I don't. But I do understand the perspective so I don't really hold it against him either.

I think this also comes down to languages of love. People feel loved and unloved in different ways. There is a book called 5 languages of love which are words of affirmation, acts of service, gifts, quality time and physical touch. The way these two characters are I think they feel most loved in different ways. For Shravan, words of affirmation are important. Which is why he was a bit of a show off in his earlier days. Whereas in contrasts I think for Suman its acts of service. She loved her dad holding out the chair for her mom for instance. And the moment she confessed Shravan let her walk ahead of him she loved that. So I think in that moment they were doing exactly what made the other person feel unloved. For Shravan, her words cut. For Suman it was his actions. He came in basically said I wish your dad were alive so he could save mine and asked her how she could do that to his dad (by not believing in him). He unwittingly made it all about him and added to all her volcano of emotions she erupted.

But I think to get together they have to find a middle ground where they understand the other person's perspective.

Originally posted by: malikakas

So on a personal level, I would have reached out to Suman if I were Shravan. Just because I think there is a lot of ego involved to say "how could you say that about my father" when he's been arrested and her dad is potentially the victim. Maybe not in that moment but a few months later you should be able to think well maybe that person wasn't completely unjustified. Emotionally I understand where he is coming from but logically I don't. But I do understand the perspective so I don't really hold it against him either. +1 here. Maybe at the moment they were just lashing out the frustration but reflecting upon after some time would be usually the thing in any sort of relationship especially when the bond is very strong. Over here, yes their relationship was strong but the foundation became weak & fragile over time that there was practically limited communication with just matters related to the court case updates & Bunty limiting the conversation about tiwari as shravan mentioned in one of his dialogues to Jhumri before feigning his demeanor of acting indifferent. So yes, it's also an understanding that they both were hurt & the damage was already done & further conversation could also ignite further damage if the topic were to be raised & both might practically get defensive again & again.

I think this also comes down to languages of love. People feel loved and unloved in different ways. There is a book called 5 languages of love which are words of affirmation, acts of service, gifts, quality time and physical touch. The way these two characters are I think they feel most loved in different ways. For Shravan, words of affirmation are important. Which is why he was a bit of a show off in his earlier days. Whereas in contrasts I think for Suman its acts of service. She loved her dad holding out the chair for her mom for instance. And the moment she confessed Shravan let her walk ahead of him she loved that. So I think in that moment they were doing exactly what made the other person feel unloved. For Shravan, her words cut. For Suman it was his actions. He came in basically said I wish your dad were alive so he could save mine and asked her how she could do that to his dad (by not believing in him). He unwittingly made it all about him and added to all her volcano of emotions she erupted.

i love the analogy you used. Both were just deeply affected by the opposite person;s acts. Kanchan also mentioned that Suman views romance from a different POV- the way her mother was treated by her father. Hence, Shravan let her walk first- ladies first. Shravan always did things that Suman approved of whether it is khulli button shirt, chai, etc.

But I think to get together they have to find a middle ground where they understand the other person's perspective.

Originally posted by: malikakas

So on a personal level, I would have reached out to Suman if I were Shravan. Just because I think there is a lot of ego involved to say "how could you say that about my father" when he's been arrested and her dad is potentially the victim. Maybe not in that moment but a few months later you should be able to think well maybe that person wasn't completely unjustified. Emotionally I understand where he is coming from but logically I don't. But I do understand the perspective so I don't really hold it against him either.

Well this makes sense. But I feel time period and how much he'd been hurt also matters. It's not only about Devraj but also the harsh, cut throat words for the relationship she used.

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Originally posted by: malikakas

I think this also comes down to languages of love. People feel loved and unloved in different ways. There is a book called 5 languages of love which are words of affirmation, acts of service, gifts, quality time and physical touch. The way these two characters are I think they feel most loved in different ways. For Shravan, words of affirmation are important. Which is why he was a bit of a show off in his earlier days. Whereas in contrasts I think for Suman its acts of service. She loved her dad holding out the chair for her mom for instance. And the moment she confessed Shravan let her walk ahead of him she loved that. So I think in that moment they were doing exactly what made the other person feel unloved. For Shravan, her words cut. For Suman it was his actions. He came in basically said I wish your dad were alive so he could save mine and asked her how she could do that to his dad (by not believing in him). He unwittingly made it all about him and added to all her volcano of emotions she erupted.

But I think to get together they have to find a middle ground where they understand the other person's perspective.

Bold : I agree to that part. When I watched the episode, it didn't strike me like you said in the first place. He somehow unknowingly made it about his dad when ironically he told Bunty that he's going to Suman for her dad. But he realised it when Suman showed her anger that her dad isn't alive while he's giving safaai of Devraj. But the damage was done. Suman didn't stopped and again, Shravan started saying "tumhe lagta hai mere papa Deshdrohi hai" instead of backing off or just calming her down by right choice of words because he did mentioned she's not in the right state. There was lot of miscommunication between the two. The situation didn't allowed both of them to see it maturely.

@Red : I feel Suman not having anyone around her has somehow realised or a bit aware what she said to Shravan about their relationship. Her promise to Vijay and guilt is holding her back to acknowledge that and per se she isn't proud of her instincts anymore. She isn't proud how she manage to break every relationship. But another part holding her back is her words for Devraj, she can't take those back because it's about Vijay's justice and she's not sorry for that and why would she be. If we think why she's angry on Shravan? Well she is angry on him for the time when she lost her biggest pillar, he brought up Devraj. Yes it wasn't his fault to be emotional about his dad at that moment. But if we see it from Suman's perceptive, she's thinking in a human way.

For Shravan, I would say he's a step behind Suman in getting the context of that day. I hope CVs do show a scene where Shravan thinks about Vijay or how much it must be difficult for Suman to cope up with his death. It won't make him go against his dad. It's just a matter of softness. As of now there is no scene or hints. If we see Shravan thinking about the flashback, he's mostly seeing it from one perceptive and the words used by Suman. He has somehow vanished the tragedy of Vijay and loss of Suman. The cabin scene recently, where he gets a call from his dad (or whoever it was) , he is a mature person and should have gone out to pick it up when it's about the case because the girl sitting in front of him has lost her father , and seeking for his justice. The father who was your mentor years back. So there he lacks a bit of empathy as a person. As for from Son POV , it was a usual normal thing.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

The cabin scene recently, where he gets a call from his dad (or whoever it was) , he is a mature person and should have gone out to pick it up when it's about the case because the girl sitting in front of him has lost her father , and seeking for his justice. The father who was your mentor years back. So there he lacks a bit of empathy as a person. As for from Son POV , it was a usual normal thing.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Yes, that scene was a bit weird in the sense that it's a war-war situation. Also, the taunts will irritate one especially if you are in a place where she is working & only doing the job. Taking the phone call is okay but discussing it with Suman was kinda unwarranted. So, taana bazi was extreme.

I don't know if it was shown a flaw in Shravan or it was just a flaw in writing.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Yes, that scene was a bit weird in the sense that it's a war-war situation. Also, the taunts will irritate one especially if you are in a place where she is working & only doing the job. Taking the phone call is okay but discussing it with Suman was kinda unwarranted. So, taana bazi was extreme.

I don't know if it was shown a flaw in Shravan or it was just a flaw in writing.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

I don't know if it was shown a flaw in Shravan or it was just a flaw in writing.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

For Shravan, I would say he's a step behind Suman in getting the context of that day. I hope CVs do show a scene where Shravan thinks about Vijay or how much it must be difficult for Suman to cope up with his death. It won't make him go against his dad. It's just a matter of softness. As of now there is no scene or hints. If we see Shravan thinking about the flashback, he's mostly seeing it from one perceptive and the words used by Suman. He has somehow vanished the tragedy of Vijay and loss of Suman. The cabin scene recently, where he gets a call from his dad (or whoever it was) , he is a mature person and should have gone out to pick it up when it's about the case because the girl sitting in front of him has lost her father , and seeking for his justice. The father who was your mentor years back. So there he lacks a bit of empathy as a person. As for from Son POV , it was a usual normal thing.

@bold. I think this is where I am at with Shravan in relation to my above comment too. I don't expect him to go against his dad. But there is a level of softness or empathy that needs to be seen. The fact that Vijay was a mentor to him, should have also contributed to some guilt in him that both his and Suman's actions hurt Vijay before he died. The phone call thing also bothered me. It drives home that he still has a dad to talk to and support while she doesn't.

Originally posted by: malikakas

@bold. I think this is where I am at with Shravan in relation to my above comment too. I don't expect him to go against his dad. But there is a level of softness or empathy that needs to be seen. The fact that Vijay was a mentor to him, should have also contributed to some guilt in him that both his and Suman's actions hurt Vijay before he died. The phone call thing also bothered me. It drives home that he still has a dad to talk to and support while she doesn't.

Hope they show a scene or something where he realises or just feels a little guilty. Even if he does not, that's fine but a sense of absence of Vijay in Suman and his life.

@ Bold : I know that must not be a huge deal we are making out of it but it actually left a bad taste if we look at Shravan's characterization. He is been an empathetic guy and that is the core part of him which shouldn't go whether he change after years or not.