And so swings the pendulum

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Finally Sumo did what many of us were expecting.....lashing out at Shravan in anger with harsh words.


This isn't the first time that Suman has done this....she previously did it when she was confused about her feelings for Shravan. Suman has had a tendency to get defensive when she's overwhelmed....she gets angry, she lashes out with harsh words and looks for scapegoats....and more often that not, the scapegoat ends up being Shravan....lol....I suppose by virtue of how close he has been to her.


Today's scene had so many parallels to the last time Sumo did this....she again slapped him, she again lashed out at him, and she again told him to leave. She did all these things that night at the fort also when Shravan ultimately got hurt and decided to leave for Indore.


Colonel Vijay Tiwari toh lambi game khel gaye....waah kya letter likhi....lol perfectly suited for a long term guilt trip. I guess it was too hard to manage to say this nicely to Sumo when she was trying to communicate with him? It was just easier to guilt trip her long distance ki "Papa ko samjho"? Aur ab toh kuch aur hi level ka "samajh" gayi hai beti Sumo😆


It felt like the swing of a pendulum to be honest.....Suman literally swung all the way back to day 1 Sumo who was conditioned to hate all things civilian....the easiest scapegoat to "explain" all issues in life. Her father's final letter basically shut her mind down completely....she feels everything happened to "teach her a lesson"....so now her penance will be to "learn the lesson" of never trusting civilians....which includes pushing away Shravan.


She said many harsh things to him today..."Why should I trust you?"....lol what a sea change from two days ago....all the trust evaporated in an instant cuz of Papa ki letter when two days ago she completely trusted Shravan.....but now cuz Papa wrote a letter saying "meri baat samjho", Sumo seems to feel the need to blindly follow everything he said and whatever else she is extrapolating in her guilt. Papa carefully said ki I like Shravan otherwise but I just worry you may get carried away....iska interpretation Sumo ne nikala hai ki Shravan ke saath uski life barbaad ho jaati😆


Shravan should have left her alone for a bit, true....but tragic irony was that he mainly came there to console her....he felt she needed him in that moment....woh toh bas baaton baaton mein he started talking about his dad too cuz that was also weighing on his mind.....and Sumo then started lashing out about his father too so he also got upset. Even then, remarkably, he did initially try to let it go thinking she must be saying all this in anger and didn't really mean it....but Sumo determinedly repeated her harsh words and told him to go away.


The way Sumo spoke to him doesn't really seem to indicate she's going to regret those words that soon....she seems quite blinded in her grief and anger right now....and has basically deemed him the cause of her doom. That seems like it's enough to push Shravan away.


Not clear if they will directly jump to the leap on Monday or show some interim scenes before that point.


But for now, only one thing is clear....Sumo will pursue the goal of being an Army Officer more than ever in her father's memory....more as a penance than as a dream now I guess since it has all taken a dark turn.


The fate of the Malhotras is unclear vis a vis how Shravan jumps from this point to joining the Army......feels like some more intermittent epis are needed before jumping to 7-8 years later.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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wow man! so depth analysis literally felt bad ki purani wali suman is kicking in though 😭

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Finally Sumo did what many of us were expecting.....lashing out at Shravan in anger with harsh words. yeah shravan had to face her unwanted wrath as todays climax..it was expected ki army vs civilian ka farakh itni haavi hojaigi..


This isn't the first time that Suman has done this....she previously did it when she was confused about her feelings for Shravan. Suman has had a tendency to get defensive when she's overwhelmed....she gets angry, she lashes out with harsh words and looks for scapegoats....and more often that not, the scapegoat ends up being Shravan....lol....I suppose by virtue of how close he has been to her. yeah very nice observation...quite defensive def...i feel sometimes mano like woh jise pyaar karti h sometimes she turns up against them and this is often considered a bad timing...i think it was also vijay to whom she shared her displeasure over separating from shravan...now with vijay gone, she's lashing her wrath on shravan


Today's scene had so many parallels to the last time Sumo did this....she again slapped him, she again lashed out at him, and she again told him to leave. She did all these things that night at the fort also when Shravan ultimately got hurt and decided to leave for Indore. yeah quite reflective of her nature for being lashful ...she told him to leave then and she told him to leave now..and then later feeling guilty ki usne aisa kyu kia...


Colonel Vijay Tiwari toh lambi game khel gaye....waah kya letter likhi....lol perfectly suited for a long term guilt trip. I guess it was too hard to manage to say this nicely to Sumo when she was trying to communicate with him? It was just easier to guilt trip her long distance ki "Papa ko samjho"? Aur ab toh kuch aur hi level ka "samajh" gayi hai beti Sumo😆 i wish he talked about these feelings with her instead of expecting ki she'll read the email by the time she reachs pune man...kaal kisne dekha h...she didnt expect his death..the moment she saw the photo and email she went down the guilt road ki she shouldve spoken to him once before he departed


It felt like the swing of a pendulum to be honest.....Suman literally swung all the way back to day 1 Sumo who was conditioned to hate all things civilian....the easiest scapegoat to "explain" all issues in life. Her father's final letter basically shut her mind down completely....she feels everything happened to "teach her a lesson"....so now her penance will be to "learn the lesson" of never trusting civilians....which includes pushing away Shravan. yup purani wali suman is starting to come back now 😕😆but this time its more a fierce determination looks like with her hatred towards civilian behavior...while vijay's POV was good as a father that she's only 17 and she should face the reality now and wouldve been supportive of her decisions 7-8 yrs later followed by him explaining that he never disliked civilians but was wary of his daughter going astray...why did suman easily assume that this was a lesson to never trust a civilian again?😭i thought she was quite sensible enough to know the difference between right and wrong esp when she told shravan about them being reckless when they wanted their parents to approve of their relationship..


She said many harsh things to him today..."Why should I trust you?"....lol what a sea change from two days ago....all the trust evaporated in an instant cuz of Papa ki letter when two days ago she completely trusted Shravan.....but now cuz Papa wrote a letter saying "meri baat samjho", Sumo seems to feel the need to blindly follow everything he said and whatever else she is extrapolating in her guilt. Papa carefully said ki I like Shravan otherwise but I just worry you may get carried away....iska interpretation Sumo ne nikala hai ki Shravan ke saath uski life barbaad ho jaati😆lmao i just found it quite rushed as to this sudden 360 badlaav ki her fathers death was caused by matlabi civilians when vijay clearly said he didnt despise em...i wish she wouldve understand the meaning behind the words as opposed to quickly assuming civilians are selfish..papa ke aage pyaar gaya bhaad mein


Shravan should have left her alone for a bit, true....but tragic irony was that he mainly came there to console her....he felt she needed him in that moment....woh toh bas baaton baaton mein he started talking about his dad too cuz that was also weighing on his mind.....and Sumo then started lashing out about his father too so he also got upset. Even then, remarkably, he did initially try to let it go thinking she must be saying all this in anger and didn't really mean it....but Sumo determinedly repeated her harsh words and told him to go away. yeah he quickly figured that she wasnt in her senses and said that he'll talk to her later about this situation but she lashed out so badly ...bunty also warned him to go later as the situation is bad at the moment but he wanted someone who can hear his heart out and understand his POV ...i feel a better scene wouldve been like when suman questioned as to why wasnt devraj aware of the ghaplas from the start? probably we still couldve seen a bit of sensibility in suman and shravan himself couldve thought of this too...like she also wished to believe him but when there is no evidence to prove him innocent then she is helpless at this point to believe as opposed to saadi bhadaas in one shot..


The way Sumo spoke to him doesn't really seem to indicate she's going to regret those words that soon....she seems quite blinded in her grief and anger right now....and has basically deemed him the cause of her doom. That seems like it's enough to push Shravan away. +1 shravan figured ki baat karne ka abh koi faida nhi...apne dukde abh bunty koi paka roiga woh..right now, she's just shocked from the death of her role model and shravan also said that he was an idol but was expecting ki she'll try to connect the dots


Not clear if they will directly jump to the leap on Monday or show some interim scenes before that point. i wonder if preleap will continue on monday...probably shravan feeling guilty for loving someone so much ki he decided to teach the tiwaris a strong lesson esp suman..


But for now, only one thing is clear....Sumo will pursue the goal of being an Army Officer more than ever in her father's memory....more as a penance than as a dream now I guess since it has all taken a dark turn. yeah she'll do it for vijay's sake...papa k liye army join karing par khud kho b toh passionate hona chahiye about being part of the army :/ i think thats why there will be a huge difference in their POVs where shravan had an actual purpose and backdrop that lead him to join the army vs suman who did it in vijay ki yaad..


The fate of the Malhotras is unclear vis a vis how Shravan jumps from this point to joining the Army......feels like some more intermittent epis are needed before jumping to 7-8 years later. yeah plus i hope there is clarity on what happens to devraj even if he gets cleared out from teh allegations..

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Nice review AY.


The episode itself started with Shravan being thrown out of Tiwari house. Bechare ko aaj bohot thappad pad gaye. That wasn't needed to be honest. BB ka behavior toh always makes me angry but today Ramesh couldn't help but behave in a harsh manner because he lost his another brother. Samjhi but did they realised Shravan is not responsible for all this or they forgot they are not teenagers but Shravan still is.


My heart sank the moment Shravan was in room with Bunty and felt helpless but even in that situation he thought of Sumo and she must need a person since her father won't return ever. (I don't know where is Kanchan by the way😭) Bohot bada wala caring insaan hai apna Shravan. Bunty was so right for advising him not to go right now as the situation isn't right and Bunty miyaan always turns out to be right. Par Shravan ko kuch daring karna tha. LOL.


The scene where she read the mail and had no words to say but just Sorrys, my heart broke that she will leave in guilt for I don't know how many years. Papa ne apni galti bhi accept ki and apna point of view bhi rakha. Kaash aisi baate woh face to face Karte apni beti ke saath instead of enforcing his decisions.


The scene I was dreading for this week came out in much more nicely executed way but mera dil tham gaya. Sumo ek baar start huyi toh ruki nahi. As you said @ AY, it was a parallel of fort scene. How good the actors were by the way. Title track bhi apt timing pe chalaya. Her words were so harsh par Shravan did tried to understand she is not in the right state par she was not putting an end to it easily. Sumo ka character develop kar ke aise tezi se river mein fenk diya writers ne😆. Bless Shravan though. The last scene where she came out to see him and turned away when he turned back to see her , Do they really need words to express what's going on? 💔 Sumo is definitely going to regret this. Either in these 7 years or after 7 years.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Nice analysis. Sumo's twisted learning capabilities 😂. I think it was required for Sumo to bring her hatred for civilians and call Shravan's dad "deshdrohi". Those words will push Shravan to join the Army. She won't really regret it until it is proven that Devraj is innocent. She was upset and angry but she was quite certain of the things she said.


After the leap, we won't just see one side hate or one side love. It will be hate from both sides. Shravan will be a completely changed, person. Suman will be her old self with obvious pain but it will be a drastic change in Shravan's entire personality. I am sure he would become Akdu army officer 😂 I prefer to see the leap directly and then flashbacks as the story progresses. Suvan will discover what other person was doing all these years and so do the audience.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: raahiyaan

The last scene where she came out to see him and turned away when he turned back to see her , Do they really need words to express what's going on? 💔 Sumo is definitely going to regret this. Either in these 7 years or after 7 years.

+1. Deep down she still wanted to see him but turned right away when she noticed shravan glancing at her.
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: raahiyaan


My heart sank the moment Shravan was in room with Bunty and felt helpless but even in that situation he thought of Sumo and she must need a person since her father won't return ever. (I don't know where is Kanchan by the way😭)


Kancha is with her pregnant mom who is currently in labor apparently😆.....the Chachu mentioned it in one bit. They obviously had to keep Kancha away so that Sumo can continue to lose her mind and there is no rational person around her.


As for regret....I don't think that's coming anytime soon....they happily played the angsty season 2 song in the last scene as a premonition.....Sumo has given in to the resentment and prejudice and will likely stew in it for a while. Maybe meeting Shravan many years later will make the gears turn again.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Meena_J

lmao i just found it quite rushed as to this sudden 360 badlaav ki her fathers death was caused by matlabi civilians when vijay clearly said he didnt despise em...i wish she wouldve understand the meaning behind the words as opposed to quickly assuming civilians are selfish..papa ke aage pyaar gaya bhaad meinsmiley29


LOL ab toh Papa bhi nahin hain iski life mein to give her some relative perspective about civilians....bas Daddu hi honge 24/7 to poison her mind....mom toh wallpaper jaisi hai.....lol


Waise bhi Papa ka letter was pretty vague....he again made the same presumption ki she's too young to take decisions in love....lol but what decision did Suman take? All she said was she loved Shravan....toh Papa kya samajh baithe? What did he mean about "decision"? Sab excuses hain cuz he just presumed Sumo won't focus on her Army goal.


Anyways this is the central storyline from the original promos but I hope the hate/resentment angle doesn't get overdone and typical like other shows either.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

Finally Sumo did what many of us were expecting.....lashing out at Shravan in anger with harsh words.


This isn't the first time that Suman has done this....she previously did it when she was confused about her feelings for Shravan. Suman has had a tendency to get defensive when she's overwhelmed....she gets angry, she lashes out with harsh words and looks for scapegoats....and more often that not, the scapegoat ends up being Shravan....lol....I suppose by virtue of how close he has been to her.


Today's scene had so many parallels to the last time Sumo did this....she again slapped him, she again lashed out at him, and she again told him to leave. She did all these things that night at the fort also when Shravan ultimately got hurt and decided to leave for Indore.


Colonel Vijay Tiwari toh lambi game khel gaye....waah kya letter likhi....lol perfectly suited for a long term guilt trip. I guess it was too hard to manage to say this nicely to Sumo when she was trying to communicate with him? It was just easier to guilt trip her long distance ki "Papa ko samjho"? Aur ab toh kuch aur hi level ka "samajh" gayi hai beti Sumo😆


It felt like the swing of a pendulum to be honest.....Suman literally swung all the way back to day 1 Sumo who was conditioned to hate all things civilian....the easiest scapegoat to "explain" all issues in life. Her father's final letter basically shut her mind down completely....she feels everything happened to "teach her a lesson"....so now her penance will be to "learn the lesson" of never trusting civilians....which includes pushing away Shravan.


She said many harsh things to him today..."Why should I trust you?"....lol what a sea change from two days ago....all the trust evaporated in an instant cuz of Papa ki letter when two days ago she completely trusted Shravan.....but now cuz Papa wrote a letter saying "meri baat samjho", Sumo seems to feel the need to blindly follow everything he said and whatever else she is extrapolating in her guilt. Papa carefully said ki I like Shravan otherwise but I just worry you may get carried away....iska interpretation Sumo ne nikala hai ki Shravan ke saath uski life barbaad ho jaati😆


Shravan should have left her alone for a bit, true....but tragic irony was that he mainly came there to console her....he felt she needed him in that moment....woh toh bas baaton baaton mein he started talking about his dad too cuz that was also weighing on his mind.....and Sumo then started lashing out about his father too so he also got upset. Even then, remarkably, he did initially try to let it go thinking she must be saying all this in anger and didn't really mean it....but Sumo determinedly repeated her harsh words and told him to go away.


The way Sumo spoke to him doesn't really seem to indicate she's going to regret those words that soon....she seems quite blinded in her grief and anger right now....and has basically deemed him the cause of her doom. That seems like it's enough to push Shravan away.


Not clear if they will directly jump to the leap on Monday or show some interim scenes before that point.


But for now, only one thing is clear....Sumo will pursue the goal of being an Army Officer more than ever in her father's memory....more as a penance than as a dream now I guess since it has all taken a dark turn.


The fate of the Malhotras is unclear vis a vis how Shravan jumps from this point to joining the Army......feels like some more intermittent epis are needed before jumping to 7-8 years later.


Fully agree with everything and all of this was so expected papa ki baat toh samjh gayi and lol will follow papa ka letter to tee right from learning the lesson to bade hoke sharavan ko lana and we will have no problem😆 so ab they will wait ke bade hoke hi reconnect karein😆 jokes apart sumo behan aaj bohat zyada ho gaya and conveniently kancha behan was packed away as dai maa so noone can give suman bitiya the sambhuddhi . The problem is ab iss sabke baad she will be mad at sharavan ke maine bol dia toh bol dia woh kyon nahi aaya baar baar mere peeche to manao me.he knew I was mad. Well yes honey he did but I think at this point it is a big ask from him after all he's in a very big mess too and as you said to his credit despite all that suman was saying he never uttered a hurtful word and was just trying to provess everything it was already too much for him with all that happened at his place to him coming to comfort sumo still fulfilling the responsibility and promise he made to be with suno when needed and in the flow wanted some consolation too and thought they will sail through this as a unit but mila toh ilzamon ka bhandar poor guy was shaken x infinity but thank you thank you for still making him the look tall in this. I am pretty sure shravan will come again to manao sumo and give her a benefit of doubt but sumo is gone too far away thanks to the letter and I do feel for her too uske liye bhi bohat zyada hai yeh sab pehle hi guilt and uppar se she heard aadhi adhuri thing and then the letter all piling up.on her too to fast but still behan zindagi barbaad kuch zyada hi ho gaya.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Thanks for the review

Today was the day both kids lost their innocence and it will never be the same again for them. Obviously the faulty vest issue came out I guess the army and police will be investigating the issue but the speed was so fast lol Daddu and chachu were not helping things and now that they are the male figures in sumans life its gonna be a lot of anger and bitterness for her.

Poor shravan everything was out of his control and his hotheadedness came out at times. The family was united but I worry what will happen in the future and how does a traitors son get into the army and make it to major so fast lol

Bunty such a true friend, there is hope if bunty is around even after the 7 years leap lol Shravan was trying to think about sumans pain coz he felt devraj would be freed but little does he know things are gonna get worse. I wonder how far they will take this devraj is responsible part will he go to jail or be fighting his case even after all those years, will he be alive? if devraj dies i dont think the kids have any chance of reuniting.


Ah poor sumo, kanika really looked like a little girl all lost today when she was reading the letter and hugging the laptop and then looking at vijays things. I glad they expanded the letter and vijays letter wasnt anything damning for shravan lol but it was a little too late for his acceptance. Now suman added with her guilt just focus on the part where he calls her puppy love as a phase and more important is the army ugh. If vijay had lived suvan would have eventually had a chance but now at this moment these are two teens who in their extreme emotions lashed out and reacted.


I know shravans intentions were innocent but man talk about bad timing and he should have just kept shut about devraj but i guess this was to be. Suman was in no state of mind to listen and all she asked of him was to leave but shravan just couldnt leave her. Man suman was brutal this was daddu being her mouth piece, her guilt, her anger at devraj having caused vijays death and all came on shravan. Shravan was not just the reason she disappointed her father and left him without looking at him but shravan is also the son of the man who might have caused her dad to die due to the vest. I think suman is more angry at herself like the last time with shravan but taking it out on him. You cant blame either one here both kids are highly emotional and lash out. Shravan tried to stay calm knowing she was devastated but her words hurt him so much. She broke up with him.


Usually in itv its the ML who treats the FL like this lol

I think in the movie sathiya rani's character lashed out on viveks coz by the time she went to see her dad post elopement he died so it was pretty ugly

If kancha had been there she would have controlled the situation man lol she is the more logically one lol put beena went into labor or something lol im confused she was barely showing or she was having pain and needed to be admitted and obviously kancha has to be there.

I wonder how they are going to show the leap like a montage of the years with them getting into army or right to the leap lol again how does shravan get into the army with devraj case lol

One thing i dont get this army civilian thing what about all those army personnel who come from civilian families lol what are they mudblood muggles lol the logic is skewed here lol

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Originally posted by: AreYaar


LOL ab toh Papa bhi nahin hain iski life mein to give her some relative perspective about civilians....bas Daddu hi honge 24/7 to poison her mind....mom toh wallpaper jaisi hai.....lol


Waise bhi Papa ka letter was pretty vague....he again made the same presumption ki she's too young to take decisions in love....lol but what decision did Suman take? All she said was she loved Shravan....toh Papa kya samajh baithe? What did he mean about "decision"? Sab excuses hain cuz he just presumed Sumo won't focus on her Army goal.


Anyways this is the central storyline from the original promos but I hope the hate/resentment angle doesn't get overdone and typical like other shows either.

lolz is it some genetic thing ki yeh log like over assume or expect that the future will be like this n that aside from ? sab mano inn logon k hisaab se hoga ?? daadu assuming civilians always causing havoc and devraj ki dosti with vijay will be bad for vijay, vijay assuming ki suman will focus on her army goals & what not over thinking that shravan will be distraction (news flash: he didnt dislike shravan but assumed that pyaar is a bukaar at 17 yrs old vs him lashing out ki shravan is just like devraj a gaadar person), suman assuming ki civilian ppl are matlabi n bad ...🤪


whats weird ki even ramesh quickly assumed that devraj was a gadaar when the same guy yesterday was trying to help locate suman and shravan

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